My Smokers' Rights: Plus a few questions for my fellow addicts.

My Opinions

Smokings bad for people, smoke in lungs = minorly bad

But my opinion is why should people care about smoking?

If you dislike second hand smoke? I dont understand how hard it is to walk

somehwere else where there is no smoke?

I dont like smoke but I dont expect the world to change for me!!

But everybody has to have their way and force the way they think onto other

people for their own good!!.

Every smoker knows that smoking isn't the healthiest choice and all smokers

everywhere probably already know that.

Noto mention some dude on an earlier post brings up a good point of that

they always blame smoking even if the guy had alot of different vices.

But hey thats just my opinion and dont expect or care if anyone will agree

Originally posted by Rilence
So for the last few years, I've done all I can to limit exposure to other people from my smoking, and will continue to do so.

Me too, I tend to not even smoke in restaurants that have smoking sections. But it isn't so much to respect the non-smokers as it is to avoid the urge to get up and bish slap some moron who gives me that evil You smoker! look.

Do you all good to quit!

habits can be broken.. eating good healthy food looking after your body should be a number one concern, IF ITS BAD FOR YOU AVOID IT, DO NOT DO IT.

I think its good that smoking is banned in cafes and bars and clubs... and why smoke in your own house anyway doesnt peoples houses stink of cig ash and smoke?

I think its time for people to wake up and try to look after their bodies for a change, in all aspects of living cigs included!

Rights or no rights, we all need to start realising what we are doing to ourselves and the Earth.

Yeah, I hear Ya freshcawfee

unfortunately, where I live (Victoria, AU) we have a complete ban on smoking in restaurants and bars which are fully enclosed...No smokers/non smokers areas anymore, no matter how good the air con and enclosures...

Only allowed in specifically designated "outdoor" areas such as beer gardens and terraces above street level...

Me personally, it doesnt matter much to me...If I go to a restaurant concerned, I excuse myself, go out to the street or whatever, have my smoke, and put the butt in the portable ashtray I carry round all the time

No biggie for me...

NOW...For folks have been smoking for a longtime and been smoking heavily for a long time (like my old man), I do sympathise...

However, for me, I'd much rather follow the rules set in place to protect most of the public, and have a quick one outside between courses than rock the boat

Peace mate

wasn't it just recently in the news that or a science magazine that you would have to spend 8 hours a day in a bar(or similar environment with smoke) for it to adversely affect you? i remember seeing that somewhere.

also, honestly telling people where they can and can't smoke outside is pretty rediculous, you'd have to have every smoker in your state standing right next to you outside to get any real dose of tobacco carcinogens one would imagine.
i'll tell you another thing, where i live they banned smoking in bars down a particular stretch of the downtown.....now almost no smokers go down there(including myself) and they get almost no business. in fact the bar owners themselves fought the ban as hard as they could for a year and a half, knowing that it would do just that to their businesses.

it wouldn't matter to me if they made smoking illegal, i made the choice at 19 knowing full well the consequences and potential health issues to smoke and i've never once regretted it, i love smoking and enjoy it, if i have to i'll do it without the government's permission.

reply to post by misuneko


I don't smoke in my house, Misu...

I live in a ground level apartment, and have a coffee jar with some water in a few feet from my front door where I ALWAYS dump my butts, no exceptions...

Cant get more considerate than that, no ?

Peace

reply to post by Rilence


My personal opinion is that I quit smoking over 6 months ago because i had the realisation that i want to look after my body and as i was getting out of breath and feeling ill and stopped smoking and eventually felt better and better I put the two together and formed smoking is bad for me. It may not be bad for everyone but for me it caused me to feel ill and feel coughy...

So for me, i quit not because the smoking ban was coming in but because i just thought its time to take my own choices and life into my own hands and think WHY do i do something that causes me to feel ill after it when i do it over and over again?

So i quit. it took me time to do it.. but i eventually did and its great to not have that earge anymore!

I think it takes time to realise what it is that we do to our bodies and it takes time to find it in ourselves to do things about our own lifestyles to change old habbits smoking or other habbits.

For me it was a decision that makes me think,, why on earth didnt i do this earlier..why did i start in the first place and why am i not looking at my own issues to see why I am saying to myself "i enjoy smoking" when now i dont even care for what was once a "need" for having a fag every 30 minutes or so...

Change is a good thing.

Yep, I hear you Misu

And valid points you make for sure...

Hell, between your post, my misus nagging and my ability to quit other things cold, I might just give it a go in the near term, say in time for Xmas ?

Thanks for the post mate, full of good vibes an humor as always

Peace

Originally posted by fweshcawfee
Some are so quick to curl their nose in disgust if they get so much as a slight trivial whiff of second hand smoke, but I wonder if they ever stop to think that maybe the way they look and smell isn't exactly a joy to the senses either.

It's ok to be holier-than-thou and go around looking like you have a turd taped under your nose, or have rancid stankin' beer breath that can knock me out from across the room, or have some big ole jiggly thighs flappin' in the wind. That's not offensive to anyone

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Big ole jiggly thighs dont give me a sore throat.

A persons look doesn't make my nose run and eyes puff up.

Get over your own victimization and just realize what you're doing is a choice, and with all choices come a consequence.

Having big ole jiggly thighs, in most cases, is a choice, and I don't think anyone in the thread has excused such a choice, so I don't know where you and the other poor little smokers come off as though smokers are the only ones under attack. It just happens to be this is what the OP chose to speak about.

LOL, at our school in The Netherlands they've done something awesome.
There used to be rules that people that smoke should do so only outside the school or at a specific place.

Now they've added colored tiles (white) and put them at the middle of one of the 2 school grounds.

People that want to smoke have to stay within the white colored tile "square"

Originally posted by Miishgoos
My Opinions

Smokings bad for people, smoke in lungs = minorly bad

But my opinion is why should people care about smoking?

If you dislike second hand smoke? I dont understand how hard it is to walk

somehwere else where there is no smoke?

I dont like smoke but I dont expect the world to change for me!!

But everybody has to have their way and force the way they think onto other

people for their own good!!.

Every smoker knows that smoking isn't the healthiest choice and all smokers

everywhere probably already know that.

Noto mention some dude on an earlier post brings up a good point of that

they always blame smoking even if the guy had alot of different vices.

But hey thats just my opinion and dont expect or care if anyone will agree

So let me get this straight. Because some OTHER guy is smoking at the bus stop, I should go somewhere else for what HE is doing?

How is that even rational?

The Anti-smoking crowd has indeed gotten militant in nature. It is not a second hand smoke issue. It is a power issue. If it were not a power issue there would be smokers only cars on trains and smokers only flights and businesses.

Having said that; I quit three months ago with Chantix. Having tried every other method I was surprised how well it worked. Even so I probably waited to long. My lung problems are not improving. I will suffer for many years. I've developed a circulation problem in my legs that may result in amputation shortly. Caused by smoking. Don't be fooled into thinking it won't eventually kill you. I'm only 53 and I won't see 60. All my fault. All due to smoking. It also killed my Father at 58.

On the up side all of us smokers have a tiny advantage over non smokers in the event that (god forbid) we happen to get caught in a house fire - your bodys are more used to smoke, and in particular carbon monoxide (this is providing you have not smoked continually right up to the point of the fire - then the saturated CO in your blood will already be high).

On the down side, smokers are more likely to be caught up in a house fire!!

Swings and roundabouts

Ahhhh... heh..

well when it becomes illegal outright and you become a criminal for having your morning smoke in the privacy of your own house, and the only way you can satisfy your right to do what you want with yourself within the privacy of your own property, is to either grow your own or find someone who grows it and risk being arrested - then, and only then will I have sympathy.

People who's plant is brown and not green, have it so easy...

Originally posted by badw0lf
People who's plant is brown and not green, have it so easy...

Amen - also which one is toxic again?

the brown one, i believe the green one actually has cancer prevention properties.

I have been smoking for 7 years now and although this isnt as long as some people i know the prices have gone up alot since.

It cost over £5 for a pack of 20 now, i switched to rollies which cost me £4.50 for 50 grams of golden virginia (From abroad) Costs about £9 in the shops but 50 grams could last 1-2 weeks for me which is very cheap.

I now smoke proper cigaretters now which cost £30 for a carton of 200 (From abroad) theres always someone i know who does fag runs.

Banning smoking in our own homes is a fecking joke, the people who want to ban smoking in our own homes needs shooting and quite frankly dont deserve to be incarnated on this planet.

Its our choice if we want to slowly kill ourselves in our own homes,cars and the street etc, i dont like smoking around people who dont smoke i have respect for them and they should have the same for us.

Im not addicted i just enjoy smoking alot and couldnt imagine not smoking its just an unhealthy habit i have and i swore i will never pay for real fags or tabacco for 95% tax that goes to the government who doesnt give one about our rights.

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Sucking smoke into your lungs is not good anyway you look at it. However, all of the diseases that are supposedly caused by smoking, I tend to have a hard time believing.

I have known 6 people in my life that died of lung cancer and NONE of them ever smoked a day in their lives.
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I've only known 1 person who died of lung cancer. Just so happened it was my father.

Doctors told us they were VERY confident his chain smoking was responsible.

Type of cancer he had was un-operable at the time (1971). Mortality rate for his type of cancer was 100%.

At the ripe young age of 15, I spent 1 year watching my father die. He spent the last 6 months of his life sleeping in the bath room so he was able to make to the toilet when he had to puke or had the Hershey Squirts.

Watched my dad go from a strong, robust man of 200 lbs. Down to a shell of a human, barley 89 lbs, who wasn't even strong enough to hold his head up.

I'm 50 years old and still miss my father.

My sister was 1 year old when he died, she never new her father.

Took my mother over 10 years to get over the death of the love of her life.

I don't care what ya'll say. Blow yer filthy smoke my way, I WILL give you a dirty look.

Originally posted by Conquistadork
...with all choices come a consequence.

Exactly. Your choice is to be arrogant and condescending. The consequence is to be laughed at.

Choice and consequence. Cause and effect. Good job my boy .


Edit: I hear Clear Eyes can do wonders for itchy puffy eyes, give it a try sometime.

[edit on 28-8-2007 by fweshcawfee]

Also i want to add something that i found very funnny.....

There is this little sandwich shop at the bottom of my road(A popular one) and ALL the chairs and tables outside are designated for, yep you didnt guess it...smokers!

If you want to sit outside you have to have a packet of fags on your table, if you dont you cannot sit outside!

How awesome is that! A little fight back from the smokers!

Also there is this pub where i usually go that has built an outside shelter with a TV built into it so when football is on we can sit outside watch football and smoke as it should be.