natural cures "they" dont want you to know about

Originally posted by glad_to_be_His
For those with an open mind....check out len and joe lenandjoe.com... .......they are pharmacists.
........and I still think the little purple pill exasperates the problem by encouraging the body to do more of what it was doing wrong in the first place....wish I could find my source.

The purple pill is being looked at again. There are suspicians that it leads to heart issues..cough cough viox cough.

www.cbc.ca...

Of course there are plenty of conflicting reports similiar to viox when it was first looked at. The pharm companies are trying to muddy the water to confuse the consumers.

Mark my words, in a year or less nexium will be pulled from the market. Doctors are already advising patients to stop taking the stuff (my wife included).

Doctors tend to know data far before it reaches the general public (if it ever does). I'll give an example...

There is an ingredient found in all antiperspirant deodorants called Aluminum Zirconium. Try and find any Neurosurgeon with this product in their bathroom, trust me you wont. There is evidence Zirconium is linked to alzheimers disease. Yet you'll be hard pressed to find a deodorant that doesnt have this ingredient.

What the public doesnt know will literally kill them

I believe that most illness can be prevented through diet, detoxification. Our environment is highly toxic and we are on toxic overload leading to autoimmune disorders, cancer and digestive problems.
Environmental Working Group

I suffered from migraine headaches from early childhood until about 18 months ago. I had cluster migraines which is rare for a female, that type is more common in men. I would have a headache for days at a time with sensitivity to light and blurred vision or double vision. I started doing reaserch and began to detoxify my liver through herbs, beets, lemon etc. I was able to get my headaches down to 2 or 3 a week but it was still keeping me from living a normal life. I then found activated liquid zeolites, a mineral formed when lava mixes with sea water. This has been used in natural healing in Asia for over 800 years. They come in the form of liquid drops...after about a month on the drops I never had a migraine again. I have had maybe three or 4 mild stress headaches and that's it! The zeolites remove heavy metals such as mercury from the body in addition to environmental toxins and toxins that build up from food additives which I avoid now anyway. FDA does not allow me to tell you it is a cure for migraines or for anything, but this worked in my situation. My mother also started taking the zeolites and since taking them has been able to take away 8 of her 15 prescription meds and does not need oxygen to help her breath any longer. Dr's don't even want to hear about what she is doing however they admit that her progress is not due to anything they have done. I also believe in TCM and do some Qigong exercises.
zeolite information

Originally posted by ChristyZ
I then found activated liquid zeolites, a mineral formed when lava mixes with sea water. This has been used in natural healing in Asia for over 800 years. They come in the form of liquid drops...after about a month on the drops I never had a migraine again. I have had maybe three or 4 mild stress headaches and that's it! The zeolites remove heavy metals such as mercury from the body in addition to environmental toxins and toxins that build up from food additives which I avoid now anyway. FDA does not allow me to tell you it is a cure for migraines or for anything, but this worked in my situation. My mother also started taking the zeolites and since taking them has been able to take away 8 of her 15 prescription meds and does not need oxygen to help her breath any longer. \

Don't know much about zeolites, but this guy seems to be wary of one of the manufacturers, just FYI:

Zeolite Info

zeolite article


That guy has no scientifc basis for his comments. Read the article above and it also has links to the patent which explains the process of removing toxins found from nature in zeolites. The powdered products used in Asia still contain natural contaminants. The NCD does not. He also comments that NCD (zeolites) are not safe. It carries FDA GRAS status (for what it's worth) meaning generally recognized as safe. Also it is being used by numerous medical practicioners including medical doctors in various treatments because it is also an immune modulator and balances the ph. Im not pushing this product I am just saying that at age 39 with the use of NCD zeolites I was able to eliminate a lifetime of migraine headaches. I didn't say zeolites reduced my headaches. I do not have them anymore at all. I also know other people who have had the same benefit and other health problems that have disappeard from using zeolites.

[edit on 18-8-2007 by ChristyZ]

Originally posted by ChristyZ
zeolite article


That guy has no scientifc basis for his comments. Read the article above and it also has links to the patent which explains the process of removing toxins found from nature in zeolites. The powdered products used in Asia still contain natural contaminants. The NCD does not. He also comments that NCD (zeolites) are not safe. It carries FDA GRAS status (for what it's worth) meaning generally recognized as safe. Also it is being used by numerous medical practicioners including medical doctors in various treatments because it is also an immune modulator and balances the ph. Im not pushing this product I am just saying that at age 39 with the use of NCD zeolites I was able to eliminate a lifetime of migraine headaches. I didn't say zeolites reduced my headaches. I do not have them anymore at all.

I also know other people who have had the same benefit and other health problems that have disappeard from using zeolites.

Yes, medically, this phenomenon is well understood.

It’s called the placebo effect.

Originally posted by xwayne
If you want to cure a disease it just takes discipline: Go vegan, eat raw foods. Consider fasting (for as long as you can) and immediately afterwards only eat raw vegetables and fruits in order to rebuild yourself at the cellular level. This will also help make your system alkaline, which makes it harder for disease to thrive . . . . Investigate how to get yourself alkaline through diet and mineral supplements!

i can't believe you are pushing this crap.

yeah, my step father with his CML should stop eating and jump on all your herbal junk eh?

you are passing out horrible advice.
there is nothing wrong with eating well and having good excercise but to imply that people with cancer and such can get better/cured if they do these things, then, well, you're insane....
sorry man



and as to if you got cancer.....

it's easy to say you'd take all this herbal junk and get better, but i would wager that you'd high tail it to the oncology clinic and see whats what.....that would be the smart thing...

if you want to gamble on vaerian root, more power to ya.
i'm gonna tell my step dad to stay on the gleevac

Originally posted by tankthinker
i never claimed to know the cures, i claimed that there are cures, you have to get your facts straight before you jump at me, and until you can prove that i am a liar, please dont call me one, because direct and unjustified assaults are only made by the afraid, paranoid, unintelligent and hateful people.

[edit on 16-8-2007 by tankthinker]

first, are you embarrased to give your age? you must be cause you was asked and danced around the question. i am guessing 15 ish.
thats cool.

about proof, the burden of proof is on you....YOU are claiming that there are cures for ALL diseases.....then you say you don't claim to know them.
if you don't know them, then how do you know 'of' them?

how do you KNOW all this.

since the burden of proof is on you, can you give me a link to something, anything that talks of a natural cure for these few???
i'll start with some easy ones.

----Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease----

Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) is a very rare and incurable degenerative neurological disorder (brain disease) that is ultimately fatal

^^^so, if i eat some ginko, would it get rig of CJD?

----Alexander disease----

Alexander disease is a slowly progressing and fatal neurodegenerative disease. It is a very rare disorder which results from a genetic mutation and mostly affects infants and children, causing developmental delay and changes in physical characteristics


^^^^lets start with those

Originally posted by NRen2k5
It’s called the placebo effect.

yup...and it is all natural..
i can't believe people think they are curing migraines and you can cure stage 4 cancer.....

can't believe this info is being spewed

Originally posted by NRen2k5

Originally posted by ChristyZ
zeolite article


That guy has no scientifc basis for his comments. Read the article above and it also has links to the patent which explains the process of removing toxins found from nature in zeolites. The powdered products used in Asia still contain natural contaminants. The NCD does not. He also comments that NCD (zeolites) are not safe. It carries FDA GRAS status (for what it's worth) meaning generally recognized as safe. Also it is being used by numerous medical practicioners including medical doctors in various treatments because it is also an immune modulator and balances the ph. Im not pushing this product I am just saying that at age 39 with the use of NCD zeolites I was able to eliminate a lifetime of migraine headaches. I didn't say zeolites reduced my headaches. I do not have them anymore at all.

I also know other people who have had the same benefit and other health problems that have disappeard from using zeolites.

Yes, medically, this phenomenon is well understood.

It’s called the placebo effect.

Thanks for bringing some critical reasoning into this thread...I tried but was totally ignored...

People should have some physiology in high school to have the tools and understand when they are being scammed...

Originally posted by Boondock78
first, are you embarrased to give your age? you must be cause you was asked and danced around the question. i am guessing 15 ish.
thats cool.

about proof, the burden of proof is on you....YOU are claiming that there are cures for ALL diseases.....then you say you don't claim to know them.
if you don't know them, then how do you know 'of' them?

how do you KNOW all this.

since the burden of proof is on you, can you give me a link to something, anything that talks of a natural cure for these few???
i'll start with some easy ones.

^^^^lets start with those

ok lets start with my age, first i didnt give it because maybe people would think oh hes just a kid, what does he know. Then i decided to give it because i realised most people on this site are smarter and more understanding.

Second how do you expect me to know all these different cures, i got my source from a book, not a site so i wouldnt know where to get a link/article, and the book doesnt give all cures for every disease, it gives cures for more common ones, obviously you havent read many past posts.

just ask me a cure and ill write down what it says in the book.

Hmmm, yeah I would love to learn more about this. I would love to find a natural cure for AIDS. I understand that coconut oil is the best natural treatment for it, however it is just a treament and not a cure unfortunately.

Originally posted by tankthinker

Originally posted by Boondock78
first, are you embarrased to give your age? you must be cause you was asked and danced around the question. i am guessing 15 ish.
thats cool.

about proof, the burden of proof is on you....YOU are claiming that there are cures for ALL diseases.....then you say you don't claim to know them.
if you don't know them, then how do you know 'of' them?

how do you KNOW all this.

since the burden of proof is on you, can you give me a link to something, anything that talks of a natural cure for these few???
i'll start with some easy ones.

^^^^lets start with those

ok lets start with my age, first i didnt give it because maybe people would think oh hes just a kid, what does he know. Then i decided to give it because i realised most people on this site are smarter and more understanding.

Second how do you expect me to know all these different cures, i got my source from a book, not a site so i wouldnt know where to get a link/article, and the book doesnt give all cures for every disease, it gives cures for more common ones, obviously you havent read many past posts.

just ask me a cure and ill write down what it says in the book.

If it’s Kevin Trudeau’s book, then about the only thing it’s good for is lighting campfires.

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Tank, please read my previous response. I have been around life and death for years...and yes...you are too young and uneducated (in medicine) to make a critical judgment of what you read or 'know'.
As I said before, you are young and gullible and easily manipulated by a quack. I would recommend you to read some cell biology and physiology books (if actually kids still read at all these days) and learn about the processes we call 'normal' and 'disease'.
But do read my post which I specially wrote for you...don't oversimplify very complex diseases...and again...good luck.

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...and some information about this Trudeau character:

dir.salon.com...

Love the quantum physics part...

...and some disclaimer from HIS OWN WEBSITE:

www.freenaturalcuresbook.com...

...and again...good luck to all...

A good friend of mine had cancer in her spine. she had surgery to remove what cancer they could. there was still much left. the Dr.s told her she would never walk again. Her sister started her taking vitamins eating well, colored lights and even so far as using colored glasses. when she did a follow up visit there was no cancer. furthermore, she walks. enough proof for me

I think most people need to understand why something works curing a disease and thier just isnt a framework in western medicine to understand why herbs, qigong, and natural things seem to have a positive effect on people and thier isnt giong to be massive amounts of money put into this research because thier is no foreseable returns in the minds of most in mainstream medicine. If one were to look at some of the theoritical models of why these things work they are very interesting to say the least and it isnt hard to test them the hard part is getting the funding to do such tests which would change peoples minds as natural medicine has little or no capital to fund such experiments. of course this is just my opinion and I could be wrong.

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I have read through the numerous responses to this thread with great interest. I have read Kevin Trudeau's first book, and am part way through his second. I am quite well-versed in alternative medicine. I do some part-time work out of the office of a naturopath.

The thread moved into quite a few directions, but I believe the original request was for opinions on the book, and the concepts it contains.

First, I would like to say I believe Kevin Trudeau as done a great service to wake people up to the idea that alternatives do exist. I have encountered quite a few people that knew nothing about alternative medicine and had came across and read Trudeau's book. Kevin Trudeau’s first book has sold 6 million copies. That is quite a bit of exposure. That might be the biggest selling book on alternative medicine.

I also need to say that, yes, there are alternatives to conventional medicine, that often are much more effective. The brand of medicine currently practiced in this country by medical doctors, which generally implies drugs, surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation, is outstanding in addressing trauma, advanced diagnostics, fixing congenital defects, and situations where the body is so compromised that it cannot repair itself and intervention is needed. Where conventional medicine fails is the chronic and degenerative diseases. These often have nutritional and toxicity components that not understood by medical doctors. They do not have adequate training in those areas.

What Kevin Trudeau says about the governmental agencies and the pharmaceutical industry is basically correct. At one time I believed that if you developed a cure for cancer you would be a world hero and the world would beat a path to your door. History shows otherwise. Just do some research on those that were having success in the treatment of cancer and look at how their lives were ruined. It would be one thing if this happened to one or two individuals, but this has happened over and over.

Yes, there is a conspiracy. You probably would not be subscribing to AboveTopSecret if you did not think so. The healthcare world is one that has been targeted and it is controlled, as is energy, and finance. I sometimes equate the healthcare world as one that is run by organized crime. Just look through the history and the events happening today. Suppression is alive and well.

The second area is regarding Kevin Trudeau’s so-called cures. I will say that many of the things he suggests will have an effect. But, just because Aspartame can sometimes produce MS-like symptoms, does not mean everyone will have those symptoms, and that everyone with MS symptoms has this condition because of Aspartame. There is a concept of biological individuality. We are each unique, and that makes it sometimes tough. Not everyone responds to specific supplements or specific treatments in the same way. My interest is what works in a clinical environment. So, I have to say, it is not always simple to find cures or relief from conditions, but I have seen enough to know there is a lot more out there than most people know about, and a lot that could really help people.

Thank-you for the thread.

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Originally posted by tankthinker
Okay everyone says trudeau is in it for money, but he made twice even three times as much when he was working for the pharmecutical companies, so it doesnt make sense that he became a whistle blower for the cash.

I believe you really are Kevin Troudeau. Otherwise, How would you know so much about him and why would you be trying so hard to push his stuff? Because everyone I've talked to, says the same thing that the forum moderator said a few pages back. He really says nothing in his book. What he's really trying to do is sell you a membership to his website. You can pick up his books a dime a dozen on ebay from the hundreds of disappointed buyers of it. They are trying to recompense a little of their losses.

All this talk of curing cancer and not one mention of Dr. Royal Rife. His is just about the most well-documented case of an actual cure for cancer that was suppressed by the medical establishment. I would be interested in hearing what everyone thought of his ideas. Were they bunk? Was he an actual man or just a mythical figure invented by the tinfoil hat community?
www.rife.org...