Where did the matter come from that formed the big bang?

if anyone ever ever ever wants to know the real deal with the geometry of space/time, yes even matter creation, please watch this 8 hour (yes, 8 hours) documentary hosted by MR nassim heremein.

Part 1:

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Part2:

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ENJOY!

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Originally posted by Kaytagg

Originally posted by Gakus

Originally posted by JonN

Originally posted by AnybodyInThere087
If all space and matter came from a little speck,where in the hell did the speck come from?jeez has it been here forever?something had to make it.

No it didn't.

The universe isn't a bus. It doesn't "come from" and it isn't "going to" anywhere. It is just the totality of existence, in all space and time. Asking "what came before the first event?" is as stupid as asking "what is North of the North Pole?"

if you accept the fact that the big bang happened it isn't to far fetched to believe it was created by something else as someone else said String theory

it is FAR from a stupid question

however your reply is about the stupidest i've seen in along time.


i think EVERYONE wants to know the answer to this question

don't be an ass.

He's not being an ass, he is correct. Your question is unanswerable, as it doesn't properly incorporate the big bang theory, but rather your sloppy interpretation of it.

The universe is the sum total of all that exists, and since "time" did not exist before the big bang, there is no "before" the big bang. The question itself is an oxymoron.

time itself in this Universe didnt exist

what caused the big bang? an infinity dense/hot singularity

to ask a question if there was something before that and our universe was created by another

is far from a stupid question

as i stated

the question of wanting to know where everything came from has been around since the dawn of man and will likely continue for a long time if not ever

im not arguing the big bang didnt happen but to state there was nothing before it is only partly true because we have no clue if what created that singularity came from something else(membranes) or not

and yes im aware these don't exist in "our" universe but they(IF) still exist


and that would be what created everything

or perhaps something created these membranes as well

my point is no one can answer these questions(as of yet as a FACT)

but to ask them is FAR from stupid.

it's part of human nature to ask such questions




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reply to post by spy66


BINGO !

You have hit the nail on the head....

So what is this third state???

We dont really know. Thats the only honest answer anyone can give without making biased hypothetical assumptions.
But since we know matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, I think something has always been here, just different than our universe. So there was never absolute "nothing", and wouldnt be. Energy (or "something" in all its possible forms) is infinite.

I thought this was the truman show..

I have read all the posts and it seems like I'm reading an Abbott and Costello "Who's on first" routine. I am amazed at how many people think they know how "Everything" was created. Science doesn't even claim to know exactly how it all came to be. I'm convinced there are things we may never know or understand, being human animals and all.

Originally posted by 3_Libras
I have no idea where it came from - doesnt mean that it didnt come from something.

The more important question is, did a man in the clouds make everything up? And add millions of galaxies for no real reason?

Well (and I mean no offense by this whatsoever) that is a very narrow minded view of God imo. I understand if you don't beleive there is one, but to simply describe what is supposed to be the infinite creator of the infinite universe as a guy in the clouds whether you beleive or not is kind of selling him short don't you think?

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In Reply to OP.

A singularity is a point in space / time (if indeed time did exist before this event) where matter is condensed by gravity to such an extreme that it literally could take up the space of a single atom. Essentially we are talking about the most massive black hole that could ever exist in this universe because it literally was the universe. Personally I don't know how something like this could go "Bang" and form the universe unless it was triggered somehow. We really have no evidence of a black hole spontaneously exploding nor do we see evidence of extra universal elements being introduced into our own environment. Personally I beleive this was triggered by God, but that's just me.

reply to post by ugie1028


Never seen that particular one before. I do absolutely love Nassim Heremein's ideas. I look forward to watching this ludicrously long documentary later on that basis. If it was anyone else I would probably not have the patience.

Originally posted by DaMod


A singularity is a point in space / time (if indeed time did exist before this event) where matter is condensed by gravity to such an extreme that it literally could take up the space of a single atom. Essentially we are talking about the most massive black hole that could ever exist in this universe because it literally was the universe. Personally I don't know how something like this could go "Bang" and form the universe unless it was triggered somehow. We really have no evidence of a black hole spontaneously exploding nor do we see evidence of extra universal elements being introduced into our own environment. Personally I beleive this was triggered by God, but that's just me.

The big bang singularity is not singularity like in black holes.
Singularity is used as a generic term when your computations dont make sense, like inside a black hole or big bang time zero - this means just that we dont know what was the thing that caused big bang.

For a black hole you need not only mass, but gravitational gradient - mass and empty space around it. Thats not what happened in a big bang.

Originally posted by skajkingdom
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ARE, THEN, they who are bent on denying the truth not aware that the heavens and the earth were one single entity, which We then parted asunder? (Qur'an, 21:30)




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Bang...

Why did you quote that qur'an as if its the be all end all of the thread.
Black holes werent discovered till the seventies.

reply to post by Maslo


Its a bit of a Paradox isn't it ???

Perhaps Nothing is in fact something in a strange sort of way.

After all we can identify if nothing is in something or if nothing is said, so therefore for us to be able to identify "Nothing" nothing has to be something or we would not be able to identify it would we ???

Its all a bit of a fickle isn't it ??? LOL

Will we ever understand ??? I guess that is the big question ???

reply to post by sickofitall2012


Perhaps there may be two things involved ???

a. The human primate.

and

b. That which is experiencing the human primate ???

I agree with ya. Some scientists say that it has been there forever. In a potential state. Others say expanding and contracting over and over like one breathing machine. The machine definition in with which I use, is this one.

en.wikipedia.org...

A machine is any device that uses energy to perform some activity. In common usage, the meaning is that of a device having parts that perform or assist in ..

There is this turtle swimming in a bowl on the back of a bigger turtle swimming in a bigger bowl on top of a - well long story stort it's turtles all the way down. Or bowls all the way up depending on your orientation. relatively speaking.

Some day they will collide with antiturtles in antibowls and then big crunch. Quantum wise.

And of course the alternate universe of mockturtles in mockbowls runs parallel in the mirror space.

The great tortoise told me this so it must be so!

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Yeah I watched the whole 8 hours. If he can prove that using geometry. He will have given geometry a whole new body of paint. An exta-dimensionary, evolutionary, Unified Field(not just theory)Proof, that would be inarguable. That would be awesome.

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller


It wouldn't matter, both would experiencing the same. Which would equal one word, and as such means the same for your two words, would make it one for the most simplistic of reasons as to just having individual and same consciousness.

reply to post by pazcat


Which brings us to a very simple thing; Just because we don't know the answer doesn't mean the answer is unknowable. Similarly, just because we can't figure out how it happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Im not sure about this but the people saying matter and energy as if they are two distinct things. From my understanding all matter is just complex forms of energy. So fundamentally its all energy.

As for what started the big bang i think that answer is beyond human comprehension. Being as the big bang can be looked on as the start of our 3D reality we cannot possible (at this stage) understand what occurred before it was created. I guess its like asking someone what it was life before they were born.

1) Neither myself nor any other human being knows this answer.
2) We could never in the existence of existence know because it cannot be replicated.
3) My guess is as good as yours.
4) Life doesn't bring knowledge, it brings confusion.

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reply to post by Conclusion


He did, he got the best paper award for his work...

Check it out Here.

Make sure to take a look at the PDF. he basically unifies quantum physics, and physics.

basically, he found the fundamental pattern of reality.... but this paper i mentioned he got is only the beginning.