Is Sleeper John Lear?

Originally posted by johnlear

As the convention was ending I was running around settling up with Alladin and doing all those things that a Convention Host does at the end of a Convention and happened to run into Phil.

I asked him how he liked his badge and it turned out that he hadn't noticed the MJ-12 until I had mentioned it.

Thanks for the reply John, very informative! So you ran into Phil at the MUFON convention as you were "wrapping up?" Ok that pretty much answers my questions. Thanks again.
I can't believe MUFON wouldn't let you speak at a convention you were the host of, while still expecting you to perform all other host duties!

Originally posted by triplesod

John Leer may be a genius in his field (I wouldn't know) but he is just another person and he isn;t going to be inviting you round for games of Twister or sending you Kitty memes by email, so lighten up a bit and let Mr Leer be his own guardian.

Originally posted by triplesod

Don't worry, as soon as he has his answer you can get back to telling the "celebrities" of the board how handsome they are and generally creeping.

Time to give up the comedy Palasheea, there's a new kid on the block and this geezer really is funny! Ahahaha

Oh no! Thanks for that picture, sleeper. Now I can "picture" you having sex with a space robot.

I can see why Milton doesn't want you to reveal too much. The public would panic.

[edit on 9-8-2007 by Ectoterrestrial]

[edit on 9-8-2007 by Ectoterrestrial]

Originally posted by johnlear
Here is a picture I took of Phil with his MJ-12 badge that I had specially prepared for him:

Say, is it just me or does anyone else see what looks like some NASA airbrushing just to left [right] of "MJ-12"?

[edit make that my other left]

[edit on 9-8-2007 by Access Denied]

Originally posted by Rhain


John Lears theories are no more extreme then main stream religious ones. Most of the religious population believe their souls go to heaven. So where is heaven? Do you stand in a church when you hear it's wild claims exclaiming "are you serious". No? I didn't think so. I am truly amazed how the bible is believed.

Actually, I feel the same way about churches, or anyone who makes such wild extraordinary claims. I, too, am truly amazed how the bible is believed. People are obviously searching for answers, but are constantly being speculative baloney by the PTB. Sure his theory is as valid as any churches, but my original question stands: Are You Serious? Personally, I have yet to see convincing evidence that there is even such a thing as a "soul" let alone soul catcher on the moon!

Originally posted by Access Denied

Say, is it just me or does anyone else see what looks like some NASA airbrushing just to left [right] of "MJ-12"?

It was a yellow or green round sticker. They meant something but I'll be darned if I can remember what it meant.

What you guys actually believe someone that thinks there is an atmosphere on the moon that is orange and that there's a soul catcher there? You believe he's telling the truth about this as well?

While I am into the moon pictures thread and I believe there are things up there, I don't agree with either one of those above statements.

All of the so called facts are always 3rd hand, lost in a box somewhere and hand written.




[edit on 9-8-2007 by braddman]

Originally posted by braddman

What you guys actually believe someone that thinks there is an atmosphere on the moon that is orange and that there's a soul catcher there? You believe he's telling the truth about this as well?

It's saffron. Not orange. Saffron is an orange-yellow but it is not orange and it is not correct to call it orange.

'Soul catcher' is actually a mis-nomer. Its also a soul thrower and soul keeper also. That is why I settled on "Big Soul Machine On The Moon" because that would cover it all.

Braddman I take exception to your comment "You believe he's telling the truth about this as well?' I don't think you intentionaly made that comment degrading but I would prefer if you would reword it thus: "You believe that he telling what he actually believes to be the truth as well?"

If you rephrase it that way then it doesn't look like you or I would actually know what the truth was about the Big Soul Machine On The Moon. Because I certainly don't. And I'm pretty sure you don't either.

We are discussing concepts and ideas. Personally I don't think anybody will ever know the truth about anything. But that's just a guess.

Thanks for the post.

ENOUGH...

It is an absolute FACT that John Lear and sleeper are NOT the same person.

Springer...

Time to give up the comedy Palasheea, there's a new kid on the block and this geezer really is funny! Ahahaha

Yep, you're right about that one RedEyes, I had it coming. But good that John Lear came back to this thread and did a more detailed re-tell on that Mufon Convention -- the second time round was even more interesting!

Originally posted by johnlear
But the fact is that I still think it is a valid theory. I mean, after all, where else would your soul go when you pass away?

Hard to know wether your serious or taking the piss. Souls aren't physical things, they don't just float away into the sky like a magic fun cloud...

Originally posted by manix

Hard to know wether your serious or taking the piss. Souls aren't physical things, they don't just float away into the sky like a magic fun cloud...

Thanks for your post. I would, however, appreciate the use of more polite conversation.

In this case I am serious.

I disagree with your statement "Souls aren't physical things, they don't just float away into the sky like a magic fun cloud."

Souls are physical in the sense that they are real. There is not a word that accurately describes exactly what the soul is. But it exists and yes, for all practical intents and purposes it does "just float away into the sky like a magic fun cloud." This would be a concept that would be most easily understood the the common man (rank and file). The reality is that it is slightly more complicated.

Originally posted by RedEyes
I can't believe MUFON wouldn't let you speak at a convention you were the host of, while still expecting you to perform all other host duties!

As someone who was a member of MUFON during this time period I can tell you that its organization was a little strange. You couldn't just get the publication like you can UFO Magazine today. You had to 'apply' to join MUFON and be 'accepted' and 'assigned' to a particular role. I think mine was "Research Specialist in Library Science" or something strange like that. I remember the first meeting I went to where people thought that title was pretty special since they were only Junior Investigator Trainees, 3rd class. Since I am an Admiral in the Navy of the State of Oklahoma (I can prove this) and a full Lieutenant in the Klingon Space Forces to boot I didn't think too much of it. Each State has a Director, led by Regional Directors, etc.

The point is that MUFON had a tight heirarchy and Andrus ran the show. Everyone KNEW Andrus was the Head Guy in Charge with the five stars. Although the Internet was not big at that time and hardly out of the grips of academia, I remember a phone conversation I had with Andrus suggesting MUFON investigate what they could do with the internet to enhance communications. He told me he didn't have time for new fangled stuff like that. You get the picture.

The main thrust of MUFON at that time was to treat all UFO sightings like an archaeological dig to get as much information as possible and get away from anecdotal evidence. You can't fault MUFON for that. They were trying to be serious in a field filled with hoaxers, starry-eyed believers, and a few nutcases. But they were strictly nuts & bolts: No aliens, soul catchers, or government conspiracies allowed. Indentations left by landing tripods documented with Plaster of Paris casts were a LOT more important that speculating on the inter-dimensional hypothesis.

Walter J. Andrus, Jr. put a tremendous amount of effort into MUFON for something like 30 years, and he should be given credit for this much energy expended. MUFON's track record is long and it has survived where most other organizations have not. I have no knowledge of the state of the organization today, though I am happy to see it was eventually decided a web site would be in their best interests.

[edit on 8/10/2007 by schuyler]

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by manixIn this case I am serious.

I disagree with your statement "Souls aren't physical things, they don't just float away into the sky like a magic fun cloud."

Souls are physical in the sense that they are real. There is not a word that accurately describes exactly what the soul is. But it exists and yes, for all practical intents and purposes it does "just float away into the sky like a magic fun cloud." This would be a concept that would be most easily understood the the common man (rank and file). The reality is that it is slightly more complicated.

The reality is that you dont know and your postings have no more truth than a Harry Potter novel.
Everything you post is nothing other than what you, personally, think and has no basis as fact. It is pure supposition. Nothing more.

Play nice...

no snipping at each-other, stay on topic!

Originally posted by Chorlton

The reality is that you dont know and your postings have no more truth than a Harry Potter novel.

This is, in fact, an opinion. You don't have any more access to the truth than I do.

Everything you post is nothing other than what you, personally, think and has no basis as fact. It is pure supposition. Nothing more.

This statement by Chorlton is true. If I have misrepresented my statements I sincerely apologize.

My statements are my opinions and only represent facts if I so state.

For instance, there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon is a fact. And that is my opinion.

Originally posted by johnlear
None of the speakers I invited to speak were allowed to speak which included myself, Bill Cooper, Bill English and Don Ecker.

Can you blame them?? If I was the director of MUFON and I heard you talking about wild ideas like a big soul machine on the moon, I wouldn't let you speak either! They are trying to be taken seriously, not get ridiculed and laughed at.

[edit on 8/10/2007 by pjslug]

Originally posted by pjslug

Can you blame them?? If I was the director of MUFON and I heard you talking about wild ideas like a big soul machine on the moon, I wouldn't let you speak either! They are trying to be taken seriously, not get ridiculed and laughed at.

Just to be clear we weren't talking about the Big Soul Machine On The Moon back then. We were talking about relatively benign topis such as:

Human mutilations
Dulce
Reptilians
abductions

You know, run of the mill UFO conference stuff.

Originally posted by johnlear
to be clear we weren't talking about the Big Soul Machine On The Moon back then. We were talking about relatively benign topis such as:

Human mutilations
Dulce
Reptilians
abductions

You know, run of the mill UFO conference stuff.

Call me crazy, John, but I hardly think of "reptilians" as benign or run of the mill type stuff. I think it's absolute nonsense. I will be humbled if you can show me a bonafide picture of one, though.

I had a thread sometime back dealing with alien abductions, the soul, and its limit on human technology. I mentioned your soul machine as a postscript note, since I found it plausible but unlikely.

I think sleeper has read to much terrance Mckenna and Rick Strassman and it is only going to get wierder "self transforming machine elves" between these two and Anton parks i am surprised their hasnt been 15 movies on these subjects. read a few of thier books and sleeper makes alote more sense. not saying john or sleeper are right but you will understand the "universe" they think in. the rabbit hole is very deep.

www.zeitlin.net...

deoxy.org...

www.rickstrassman.com...