Is Sleeper John Lear?

Your memory is correct. I did say that. Due to the huge audience that the ATS Mix has I didn't want to embarrass my good friend Sleeper who does not buy into the BSMOTM theory. But the fact is that I still think it is a valid theory. I mean, after all, where else would your soul go when you pass away?

Personally, I'm hoping in communion with God in Heaven. That's why I struggle against sin everyday and work toward salvation. But that's just the Catholic in me.

If all we have to look forward to after we die is some machine on the moon, then I would really be disappointed. So will quite a few suicide bombers who were expecting their 21 virgins.

Actually, its 72 virgins they are supposed to get

Where else is your soul supposed to go when you die?

To even concede that man has a soul is admitting the spiritual and paranormal world exist IMHO. But instead of looking into near death experiences, hard proof of spiritual contact and ghostly encounters, Lear would rather place his faith in some guy who claims to have remote viewed himself flying with a dead soul to the moon.

Ghost do exist and the spiritual realm is a real one. When a person dies the soul either moves on to heaven to be with the creator, or it remains on the earth waiting for judgment day, thus becoming a 'ghost'.
Is sleeper and Lear one in the same? I don't know but if sleeper does not believe in the 7 mile high soul catcher on the moon, then sleeper has a bit more since.

Originally posted by Megadeth

Lear would rather place his faith in some guy who claims to have remote viewed himself flying with a dead soul to the moon.

In point of fact souls rarely die. Containers (people) die. Souls live forever.

There are several cultures who believe that the soul goes to the moon after the container dies.

When a person dies the soul either moves on to heaven to be with the creator

And you are assuming that heaven is not within the BSMOTM and the creator is not the entity that created the BSMOTM? On what do you base that belief?

or it remains on the earth waiting for judgment day, thus becoming a 'ghost'.

Not exactly. Nobody has to wait around for 'judgement day'. There is a running computer storage of everything you did in your life. When you die the results of your magnificent existence are instantly printed out. If you were a good boy or girl you are sent to play with the adults. If you were not, you get a trip to the woodshed out berhind the BSMOTM before you are sent back to (uggg) earth.

Hey All,

Sleeper is up-front in attempting to explain with our language that which is so immense that us humans may not ever be able to understand.

Take the time to read all of his posts and I think you will find that he is directing the reader toward part (his one small part) of the real truth.

The universe reality is incomprehensible to humans. Period!

John Lear and Sleeper compliment each other in many ways. Both are filled with integrity and help us all scratch the UFO itch.

Maybe they're just old drinking buddies from way back when John was the Nevada state director of MUFON.

Didn’t you know? ATS is the who’s who of MUFON.

I think Lear's cuter than Sleeper but then again, I've never seen a photo of Sleeper so I can't be sure on that one. But rest assured, they are 2 different people because they each have different names.

Originally posted by johnlear
I mean, after all, where else would your soul go when you pass away?

When you die your soul goes to Diablo on level 15 where you run around in circles trying to open your inventory and cast Full Rejuvenation all the while Captain D and his minions are smacking you on the back of the head. I get the shivers everytime I think about it.

Originally posted by Access Denied

Maybe they're just old drinking buddies from way back when John was the Nevada state director of MUFON.

Didn’t you know? ATS is the who’s who of MUFON.

My real drinking buddy was Phil Klass. As MUFON State Director for Nevada I was host for the convention in 1988. None of the speakers I invited to speak were allowed to speak which included myself, Bill Cooper, Bill English and Don Ecker. So I rented a space next to the MUFON hall for all of us and on that Sunday literally nobody went to listen to the official MUFON speakers, they all came to us. It was standing room only.

As Convention Host I was in charge of all the name tags. I had one specially made up for Phil Klass that said MJ-12. When Phil picked up his badge at the start of the convention he didn't notice the MJ-12. It was hilarious. Everybody and his brother was trying to get a picture with themselves and Klass. Klass just thought he was famous, he didn't realize what his badge said and that everyhbody was getting a huge laugh. Sunday efternoon as everybody was leaving I walked over to Phil and pointed out the MJ-12 on his badge. All he said was, "Hmmmm, I didn't notice that."

Here is a picture I took of Phil with his MJ-12 badge that I had specially prepared for him:

What a heartwarming story Mr. Lear! And you surely deserve a merit badge for that bold initiative of yours by putting MJ-12 on that infamous windbag's name tag. Just wondering but did he accept your invitation and attend the convention held the following year? I bet not, but how the heck did he even show up at the first one? Thanks for sharing!

Originally posted by Palasheea

What a heartwarming story Mr. Lear! And you surely deserve a merit badge for that bold initiative of yours by putting MJ-12 on that infamous windbag's name tag. Just wondering but did he accept your invitation and attend the convention held the following year? I bet not, but how the heck did he even show up at the first one? Thanks for sharing!

After the Sunday where I went against a direct order from the entire MUFON Board of Directors and let myself, Cooper, Ecker and English speak I was stripped of my State Directorhsip and thrown out of MUFON. I have never heard from them or anybody connected with them since. And it has been 19 years. I never heard from Phil again either.

In point of fact and accuracy Phil bought his own ticket and came on his own to the convention in Las Vegas. On that Sunday morning I was the first speaker and before I started I threw Phil out of the room. It was a medium sized altercation. I walked over to where he was seated and told him he was not welcome at my presentation. He told me he was an accredited member of the press and showed me his Aviation Week & Space Techonolgy press pass. I had 2 security guys with me and they had to bodily escort him out of the room. All the while he was yelling, "This is an outrage. I am an accredited member of the press. I have a right to be here."

I'm going to miss that arrogant old frat. :

Oh darn, I wish I could have been there to see that but your telling of this story has me laughing so hard I nearly fell off my chair! And you would think he would have glanced down at his name tag after you booted him out of that room! But good that he never noticed it till you told him! But I can see that he was NOT invited.. lol

Too bad though about your expulsion but no point in being part of an org. that puts such severe restrictions on what you can do and what you cannot do. I'm sure you were better off without them! Thanks for sharing!

[edit on 9-8-2007 by Palasheea]

Originally posted by Palasheea
I think Lear's cuter than Sleeper but then again, I've never seen a photo of Sleeper so I can't be sure on that one. But rest assured, they are 2 different people because they each have different names.

Yeah, well Milton thinks John is better looking too---

Anyway here is me back ten years ago. That’s all I have and I’m too lazy to take a current picture.

That’s the back of my first book, but I will not mention the name of it, don’t want to get into hot water.

Sleeper, why did I have it in my mind that you're head was in the shape of a double helix?

But can see it's not that at all and between you and John it's a definite draw! Thanks for the photo! It really does make a big difference when one can place a face to whomever is posting here... especially you and John!

Edit: Serously. It could be that you were part of a human genome DNA adjustment of sorts by Milton or whomever?? I wouldn't be surprised.

[edit on 9-8-2007 by Palasheea]

Hi AGAIN John. I realise that you may be starting to think that I am stalking you, and in a way I am a little. I'm new here as I've said and I'm trying to read through alot of posts here that interest me, and alot of those posts involve you. I've been reading through this thread and I have a few questions. I hope you find the time to answer these ones.
Now, you may think that my question is about a rather pointless issue, but I have to ask you as it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Originally posted by johnlear

As Convention Host I was in charge of all the name tags. I had one specially made up for Phil Klass that said MJ-12. When Phil picked up his badge at the start of the convention he didn't notice the MJ-12. It was hilarious. Everybody and his brother was trying to get a picture with themselves and Klass. Klass just thought he was famous, he didn't realize what his badge said and that everyhbody was getting a huge laugh. Sunday efternoon as everybody was leaving I walked over to Phil and pointed out the MJ-12 on his badge. All he said was, "Hmmmm, I didn't notice that."

Here you say that as convention host you were in charge of name badges, and you state that you made a badge specifically for Phil Klass. You also mention that in the afternoon as everyone was leaving you went over to Klass and told him that you had put MJ-12 onto his badge.

Originally posted by johnlear

In point of fact and accuracy Phil bought his own ticket and came on his own to the convention in Las Vegas. On that Sunday morning I was the first speaker and before I started I threw Phil out of the room. It was a medium sized altercation. I walked over to where he was seated and told him he was not welcome at my presentation. He told me he was an accredited member of the press and showed me his Aviation Week & Space Techonolgy press pass. I had 2 security guys with me and they had to bodily escort him out of the room. All the while he was yelling, "This is an outrage. I am an accredited member of the press. I have a right to be here."

Here you mention that you were the first speaker on Sunday morning and before you started you had Phil thrown out as he was not welcome.

So I have 2 questions:-
1) If Phil wasn't welcome why was he let in and why do you make a badge for him?
2) You say you had Phil thrown out in the morning before you started speaking, but in your previous post ( see above ) you state you went over to him as everyone was leaving in the afternoon to tell him what you had done to his badge.

I find these facts confusing. I hope you don't think I'm trying to find holes in theories and stories, I'm not, I just what to try and get all the facts straight. Thanks in advance.

RedEyes lets not confuse things here - i have read the post and to my mind -
John had another convention running

this isnt he MUFON event so its a side line

as an organiser of a a sideline event any participant might say "hey"

I have serious problems with the idea that John ran an event and is now saying that members invited to the "official" event were offended when confronted by some back street affair calling foul

John you are open to answer to this -

Originally posted by RedEyes
Hi AGAIN John. I realise that you may be starting to think that I am stalking you, and in a way I am a little. I'm new here as I've said and I'm trying to read through alot of posts here that interest me, and alot of those posts involve you.

I was wondering if you were using someone else's account because it shows you registering in 2005.



Amazing that you caught that discrepancy in stories.

Can't wait to see what the deal is.

RedEyes, talk about pettiness! Members here were, up until now, were having a pleasant conversation in this thread but then you came along hoping to ruin everybody's fun by nitpicking on totally unimportant details on what happened between Klass and Lear at that Mufon convention that happened NINETEEN YEARS AGO! Do you remember every excruciating detail of something that happened 19 yrs ago?? What do you want, a minute by minute account from Lear on what happened that day between him and Klass? The next thing you'll be asking him is when he went to take a pee... honestly, don't you think you're being a little ridiculous?

For people like you, the water is never wet enough, the sky is never blue enough and I bet your nose is never clean enough either! No doubt you can probably find fault in anything out there and if you can't find anything you would probably invent it! Jeesh!

Originally posted by Silk
RedEyes lets not confuse things here - i have read the post and to my mind -
John had another convention running

this isnt he MUFON event so its a side line

as an organiser of a a sideline event any participant might say "hey"

If you read the posts carefully I think you will find that both times John is referring to the convention held on the Sunday that was not the MUFON convention.

Originally posted by Palasheea
RedEyes, talk about pettiness! Members here were, up until now, were having a pleasant conversation in this thread but then you came along hoping to ruin everybody's fun by nitpicking on totally unimportant details on what happened between Klass and Lear at that Mufon convention that happened NINETEEN YEARS AGO! Do you remember every excruciating detail of something that happened 19 yrs ago?? What do you want, a minute by minute account from Lear on what happened that day between him and Klass? The next thing you'll be asking him is when he went to take a pee... honestly, don't you think you're being a little ridiculous?

For people like you, the water is never wet enough, the sky is never blue enough and I bet your nose is never clean enough either! No doubt you can probably find fault in anything out there and if you can't find anything you would probably invent it! Jeesh!

I think if you read my posts carefully you will see that I clearly state that is not my intention. There is an obvious discrepancy in what John has stated here, and I would just like to clarify it.
I think its only fair that if someone is going to post information here ( and that includes all members ) it is accurate, and if it isn't I'm well withink my right to ask for clarification. If John made a mistake fair enough, I am asking politely for him to clarify.
Hopefully the foam will now stop spewing from your mouth Palasheea its not pretty.

Originally posted by interestedalways

I was wondering if you were using someone else's account because it shows you registering in 2005.



Amazing that you caught that discrepancy in stories.

Can't wait to see what the deal is.

Nor me, hopefully John can clarify before Palasheea has a heart attack.
I did register in 2005, but i don't think I made any posts. I left pretty much straight away.