Who Here Will Accept A Real ID Card???

They will try their hardest to make us have these cards. I'm not accepting at all, neither is the state that I live in... but just today they are pushing to make 17 state's licenses invalid(the one's who did not comply with this act)for air travel.

reply to post by dreamingawake


Any chance you can cite your source? I really want to check this out, because this is bull! The govt. can just shove it, I'll drive if I have to travel, but they can't force me to get it.

I really have no issue getting one.

I have a:
Drivers License
Military ID
Military Passport
Civilian Passport
Social Security Card
Voter Registration Card

I live on a US Military base in which I can not get on w/out my Military ID.

I Have had security background checks for various things.



So, yeah, doesnt bother me.

[edit on 12-1-2008 by greeneyedleo]

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

So, yeah, doesnt bother me.

[edit on 12-1-2008 by greeneyedleo]

Yes, we know, I've noticed you mentioned this a second time (in another thread I think) and while you may have no problem with the govt. accessing every single piece of information on you and use to their liking. Remember that you're sharing this nation with other people as well. People that still believe in a right to privacy. I know there are supporters that love to throw the "If you don't have anything to hide..." BS. but in this country, last I remembered it was "Innocent until proven guilty" not the other way around. Yes I understand the horrors that 9/11 caused, that is still no excuse to violate or change laws the way they have been for the sake of "security"

[edit on 12-1-2008 by Question]

This thread just keeps getting scarier and scarier. The number of people posting here who are not totally offended by a government take over of our personal lives is in itself terrorizing to me. Because that is exactly what would happen if the Real ID goes into effect. Your entire existence would be routinely manipulated and exploited!! Forget the idea about being good for convenience sake people because if you agree to this you have just set the price to sell your soul. WAKE UP!!!

exactly! that's what frightens me the most, it's people's acceptance of this. quite sadly, it's probably the majority of people who are accepting of this. people who need to #ing wake up. and many of them think 'well, i don't care...doesn't bother me.' well, they're only thinking of themselves in this situation, not society as a whole. i'm not personally comforable with people being turned into slaves. this real ID thing would be putting people in shackles and they can't even see it!

[edit on 13-1-2008 by tetragrammation]

So…let’s have the card, less stuff to carry in my wallet….
.no… it’s a system of control…..
yes…it’ll make my life easer….
no….it’s just another victory for the global elite…..

How about some people can have it if they want it……and some people don’t have to have it if they don’t wont it….plain…simple…..

God damn you people keep crapping on don’t you…….

.PROBLRM SOLVED…..

where's the link that says this is required? I checked the gov. website and didn't find anything on it.

I don't think it IS required. It might just be a demographic beta test to the idea...I've been hearing about it for so long that I'm beginning to doubt it's going to manifest anytime soon.

And yeah, I'd carry one.

(especially if I could include some of my artwork on the chip or something)

I dont want one of these I cant see how anyone would want one, Think about it does any men out there want the government knowing when they buy Condoms at the store? Or with women if you buy birth control they will know, or sanitary pads ect. Its none of there business. I guess they figure this way they can keep track of what people buy and how much money we spend ect. But to me that is my business. Of course those people out having affairs on there better half would be caught fast. Yes, they would figuring the government would catch them getting a hotel room ect. But truthfully I dont think its right that anyone knows what we buy, and how much money we have in the bank. That is my business not anyone elses.

Hilda

reply to post by tetragrammation

Exactly! that's what frightens me the most, it's people's acceptance of this. quite sadly, it's probably the majority of people who are accepting of this. people who need to wake up. and many of them think 'well, I don't care...doesn't bother me.' well, they're only thinking of themselves in this situation, not society as a whole. I’m not personally comfortable with people being turned into slaves. this real ID thing would be putting people in shackles and they can't even see it!

I strongly disagree. Since age 16, I have had a drivers license. Around 1970, my home state began to use the SS number as the D/L number. Then around the 1990s, that practice ended and the state reverted to the former numbering system. The SS number is 9 digits. That many numbers would take us out to 999,999,999. Nearly 1 billion. If someone was assigned account number 000-00-0000, then it would be 1 billion.

The current system for numbering D/Ls is: the first letter of your last name followed by 8 digits. Theoretically - but not in practice - using one letter in the D/L number would result in 2,600,000,000 possibilities. More than twice as many as offered by the SS number. Because all letters are not used equally in last names, the number would be substantially fewer than the theoretically possible. There are many more people with last names beginning with A or B than with Q, X or Z. And so on.

I carry a VA photo ID but it uses a bar code so I can’t tell how many digits are in my number. Perhaps my old Air Force serial number? That was an 8 digit number. I have a picture ID from my local transit company - persons over 65 years ride free - and it is also bar coded but the number is also given in digits, 10 digits. That takes this ID out to 10 billion possibilities. I also have a photo ID Ky CCW permit that says I am the 38,150th person to get such a permit. Finally, I have a US passport with picture ID and I don’t know what number.

A Federal ID? Does anyone here doubt the NCIC - National Crime Information Center - has me listed there by name, SS #, former Armed Forces serial number, passport number, state drivers license number telephone numbers both home and cell, VIN number of the car I own and maybe more? Like VISA card numbers. Do I like this? Well if I lived in 1808 probably not, in 1908, maybe not, in 2008, no problem at all. I buy most things on the internet. I needed a new printer, instead of driving 3-4 miles to buy one, I ordered it via internet. Got delivery on day 2. To my door. Cost? $15.00. Extravagant? Probably. But I regarded it as worth the price.
I got to choose from the entire Lexmark line which is far more than the local Office Depot could afford to stock.

RFID. Radio Frequency Identity Device. I use one to gain access to my apartment parking lot and to the building itself. Foolproof? No. But it is better than an unlocked door or nothing at all. The devices are so cheap now that many retail stores put the RFID in even semi-expensive items. What looks like a metal detector at your friendly store entrance is really a computer operated RFID antenna.

Many dog and cat lovers have had RFIDs surgically implanted with reference to a national computer data base including the owners name and address.

Finally, if we do have a Federal ID, I want it to encode in the metal strip much of my medical history that would be relevant in the event I arrive unconscious at a hospital Emergency Room. Including next of kin contact info and organ donor status. One swipe of your Federal ID and the doctor could call for blood of your type! Or not give you an MRI if you had a metal implant in your skull. And etc.

Downside? Based on my reference to NCIC above, I do not see any downside.

[edit on 1/13/2008 by donwhite]

Originally posted by andre18
So…let’s have the card, less stuff to carry in my wallet….
.no… it’s a system of control…..
yes…it’ll make my life easer….
no….it’s just another victory for the global elite…..

How about some people can have it if they want it……and some people don’t have to have it if they don’t wont it….plain…simple…..

God damn you people keep crapping on don’t you…….

.PROBLRM SOLVED…..

This would be all good and quite acceptable in my view, that is IF the govt. were willing to give us the choice. But they don't want that. They want it to be mandatory. If it was an option I wouldn't be having a fit over it, it's the fact that the govt. want everyone to have it regardless that bothers the heck out of me.

reply to post by donwhite




well, i think thats how they like to sell the idea; as being very practical and efficient. i'm not saying that anything you said there is untrue. but to explain my point of view further..i think you miss my point.

who is providing this? who is pushing for this? they are the same people who are responsible for what i oppose and strongly disagree with. i can see their agenda, and their vision, as they shove it in our faces, and i think it's wrong.

in my view it is strongly opressive. the only way that it would do anyone any good is if they fully comply, it is truely stripping people of choice.

reply to post by tetragrammation

Well, i think thats how they like to sell the idea; as being very practical and efficient. I'm not saying that anything you said there is untrue. but to explain my point of view further..i think you miss my point. in my view it is strongly oppressive. the only way that it would do anyone any good is if they fully comply, it is truly stripping people of choice.

You may be right Mr Tetra. But face it, it's over for us "independent" types. Do you doubt the NSA can monitor - and does - every cell phone call on the planet in real time? Over 10 billion a day. If you say "No" they listen in on only half the calls. Then I'd ask you how do they decide which half to monitor? If 20 Cray supercomputers can monitor half the calls then how much does it cost to buy 40? If we spend $2 billion a week in Iraq with no accounting, then why would NSA not have all the Cray's it wants?

It's over for us non-conformers. Conformity came about in the 1990s and was super enhanced after the Nine Eleven Event.

[edit on 1/13/2008 by donwhite]

The day they try to put a ChIp in your arm, or in anyone you know...........INCLUDING people in prison...........then wipe your mouth and say "darling i got's to do what's i gots ta' do"


Cos' you aint' putting no ChIp in me or mine.

On a personal note: i hope im still around to see "em' try

Personally, I'd never accept one. The problem is we might not have a choice in the matter.

If your state decides to update their drivers' licenses to the REAL ID standard, refusing might mean you have to go without a car.

-Your democracy at work.-

reply to post by elevatedone


Hmmm..Ill bet thats just what most Jews said also..when they were being given their numbers and ID'S.....
It is not the fact that anyone has or has not got anything to hide..it is that anyone with a little knowledge of history knows how this thing will end...
Just ask any older Jew and they will tell you they have seen THIS before..and it does not bode well for us.
If the Government wants to be taken seriously about foing this to keep out terrorists..then they should do something about our borders first..SHOW ME that they are serious about stopping terrorist from entering...then maybe Ill be more willing to listen to their BS about wanting the ID to stop terrorists.

But I still would not want the ID.

reply to post by jedimiller


No..it is not required..unless you want to board an airplane or enter into any Federal Building...then you HAVE to have the ID.
SOOOO in a nutshell..it is NOT mandatory YET..but it will be..just wait and see..these things always work like this.
Just like the SS # was NOT going to be mandatory..HAH try doing any banking, buy a home, etc without one.

www.house.gov...

Has anyone here actually read the REAL ID Act of 2005?

Data requirements
Each card must include, at a minimum, the person's full legal name, signature, date of birth, sex, driver's license or identification card number. It also includes a photograph of the person's face and the address of principal residence. It is required to have physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes. These new security features include a hologram of a map of the entire North American Continent. It will use common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements (the details of which are not spelled out, but left to the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation and the states, to regulate).

Source

Most state's driver's licenses already meet these requirements. New York meets the "common machine-readable technology" with a scanable bar code. The states that reject the act do so for other reasons, such as fear of identity theft and costs involved in sharing information with other states.



[edit on 15-1-2008 by craig732]