Communing With Extraterrestrials

I think that this is probbaly not a fraud i mean you can not compare this to nibiruancouncil stuff because what does his book cost 9 dollars ?

Theres no programs that i know of that you gotta by to do this , theres no personal sessions needed .

9 dollars to me is just marketing costs to me , I dont think theres any real money gain in that....


but i would like to see what you have to say about the nibiruancouncil stuff , Spirit.

Thank you.

Originally posted by thebox

Originally posted by Weapon X
Oh come on people, this bloke is only trying to sell something here. At least a couple of you guys have called him on that. All spiritconnect has done is rehash an old story for todays culture. Spiritconnect, you need to get some toilet paper to wipe off all that bulls**t from your chin mate.

You can always tell a Brit!

In this case I agree with you Weapon X, this thread is full of shameless book-plugging. I'm giving him ***** for effort though.

Hahahaha, hate to tell you man, but I'm one of those convict's you got rid of a couple of hundred years ago!!!! You know the ones!!!! The convicts that got the better country, better weather and better women!!!!

And for those of you that are still wondering what I'm talking about, I'm an Australian

Oh and by the way thebox, I'll let you off this time for calling me a brit.....

Originally posted by Weapon X

And for those of you that are still wondering what I'm talking about, I'm an Australian

Oh and by the way thebox, I'll let you off this time for calling me a brit.....

Dammit... there was a 50/50 chance you were a Brit... I went for Brit as I'm a Brit... Oh well!

I'm sure that highly intelligent beings do not believe in reincarnation. It is a primitive belief system along with religion.

Trying to sell something:

Yes, I agree. But I do not think he is selling what you may think he is selling (I dunno, I am not you ). He is selling/sharing his idea. The book is simply a marketing tool for his belief system; and not the end purpose... (My theory at least )
But to an extent, we are all "selling" something here. He just has an idea and a book.

I bought the book so I could see what everybody was trying to get him write out on the thread from his book regarding a method to "meet aliens". I was surprised to see the book cost only $9.
So I read the section mentioned and saw that it was a standard self-hypnosis type script. I posted so and made references to places on the net you could get similar information for free.
I thought the members were asking him for guidance at first, a how-to; but it may be the case they were just calling out a viral marketing for profit potential... which is a healthy thing to ask about/

I was surprised at his responses... even that he responded. (I may be wrong, but I think the only unsolicited post from him was the 1st one).

So I decided to read the book and ask questions I thought would let the readers exactly know what was in the book. The book is setup with first his model of the system to which he believes, some examples to support (see the web site www.bibleufo.com... for this... especially the art sections), then he moves on to actual practice of "how-to".
I was planning to put the most elaboration on the last part. Basically, if the reader of the post was *that* interested in the thread, he/she would not have to buy the book at all. (I have not finished the book and plan to ask more questions about the methods).

What I found surprising was his willingness to elaborate on the questions. This has certainly already been worth my $9, I have never been able to converse with any author before. (To be totally honest, almost all of my questions have been answered in the text usually in the very next chapter.)

I have googled his user name and found him on many other sites. Some of the posts people have put out there are harsh and hard to read ... but he responded to every one of them. Not only that, he responded without the malice questioned him.

I know people have asked him to write out or post sections from his book; and that his not doing so has been viewed as a shameless plug... but for myself, after reading some of this his work, and his responses (here and at other sites) I am starting to believe that he is coming from a strict position of integrity.

He has an agreement with his publisher and will not break his word.

However, this does not mean he will not answer postings. (I think I read somewhere that he promised to answer every email ...and if my "integrity" theory is correct, he will because he believes it must be that way.).
So with right questions, you can get the whole book out of him here.
Even though he responds to every email/post, he does not answer every question in the post all the time. I am not sure as to why, yet... maybe because it is not in what he thinks is alignment or relevant for his purpose on this topic, maybe because he does not understand the question, maybe he is swamped, maybe the question does not make sense... I dunno, let's ask him.

--Why do you not respond to every question? (for example my CARET questions )
--Sometimes you say something is not relevant (I recall the question about the names of your guides); what is your exact thinking here?

Any new stuff in the material?

So far from what I have read in the book, you are correct... there is nothing really new here. It has all been said before. But, isn't that the way it should be? What if the Buddha came back and said something like "you know.. all that stuff I said about desire.. well forget it, here is something new" or if Christ does the same sort of thing with the "love thy enemy".
Of course we want our spiritual masters to be consistent.. and by the looks of things here on earth, we are not always getting the message

I would like to see some expansion of ideas, however.
Certainly the idea of Christ as an alien has been thought of before, but how new and absurd and blasphemous would this idea be to somebody like, say, my grandmother? Very.

Anyway, I believe we all work and relate within our own belief system; and something too far out past that may not be comprehended as something other than nonsense, craziness, or even perceived. So maybe advances slightly push the boundaries within out own belief systems… again, I dunno.

Something new, at least for me... is the idea that Lucifer will eventually come into balance. I have never read that idea before. I know the idea has to have been out there. Go tell the pope! Lucifer will be saved.


Relevancy of topic to this site:

I am not sure if this thread is classified under the correct forum. Perhaps it is, or perhaps it should be under paranormal.

But in trying to find evidence of alien/ufo/etc… how can we say for certainly that the mode of communication from these entities has to fit into our preconceived notion of how it all should work?
Since I have no real proof of alien intelligence, I operative under the idea that I cannot discount any mode of communication claimed... I mean, how would I know?
This does lead to many nonsense leads. (this site is full of them). Is this one? I dunno, I have not tried the practice part…
One theory is that they are extra dimensional entities with the ability to transcend space as we know it and communicate by telepathy, but if some person claims they have been in touch with some of these entities via the mode of the entities natural state, then it must be discounted? That does not make sense to me.
So this must be explored.
(Yeah, I would prefer a televised landing, and I know we are not capable of proving anything other than physical.)

Belief:
I believe he believes what he is selling: That Yeshua, who was once Christ, and the Buddha before that, has contacted him and instructed him in the form of a gray alien.
I also believe that he is being honest and acting with integrity within his own belief system.
Do I accept his beliefs as my own and should you? Haha. No way. This is his truth. Let him have it. If something resonates with you adapt it to you own, but do not ever accept somebody else's belief as your own, I believe doing so is dangerous

"I'm sure that highly intelligent beings do not believe in reincarnation. It is a primitive belief system along with religion."


How can you be sure? I certainly do not know, just curious.

But I tend to agree with you, we are in a primative world setting here.

[edit on 12-7-2007 by catlantis]

Originally posted by catlantis
Ch13

Guides tend to communicate telepathically.
Nothing like a physical meeting one on one to get you thinking though…

--How to distinguish imagination from intuition?

Basic ways to meet your guide:
1.) Physical Realm
2.) Astral realm
3.) Dreaming
4.) Scrying
It seems you experience most of your stuff in the Astral.
--Can you consciously project at will?
--Is there any forgetfulness of the experience when you come back?

--Do you seek your guide, or does he seek you? In your model, is there a difference?

--You recommend “practical guide to astral projection” is there any other reference material you found helpful?

--Have you heard to the people at www.gnosticweb.com by a “Belzebuub” do you know who this is? They offer a free astral projection course.


Ch 14
--In what to expect when meeting your guide, you are writing that the guide will chose the method and manner of meeting best for you, how much say in the matter do we have in this?

--Can you point to modern day writings that are a result of this manifestation? Do you know of any? Or are you the only one?

--in Channeling the soul of the other merges with you? Do you lose your since of identity?

--You mention time dialation in the event of a physical meeting. How does the Ascended ET move along the time axis?

-- Ah, I see you are referencing Chakras. So they will chose to come though what they think is best?
--How does your map of the purpose of each chakra point correspond to the traditional meanings?

-- you mention the word “initiation”. This has scary connotation for me, do you mean the practice you will be describing later in the book?

-- has anybody who has gone through this process had a “bad trip” ?

Dear Catlantis,

(1) I am able to consciously astral project, and I do meet Gabriel and Yeshua in this way sometimes. Most of our meetings occur in the dream state. When I meet them consciously, I remember everything. In the dream state, they work on my subconscious, so I do not consciously remember everything, but I subconsciously remember everything. Subconscious memories are better, in my opinion, since they directly influence belief and behavior.

(2) Sometimes you will initiate, and sometime your guide will initiate contact. It depends on the circumstance and issues at hand. You always have the power to initiate.

(3) The Practical Guide to Astral Projection is the only book I recommend on the subject.

(4) I have heard good things about the Gnostic Web Course, but I cannot personally recommend it because I have not taken it.

(5) At first, our guide chooses how to merge with us. Later, we have some say in the matter.

(6) If there are modern-day writing examples of ET guide contact, I do not know of them. It would not surprise me though. Our guides are working with humans all over the world, and with sentient beings on other planets. The last written messages I am sure was produced by our ET guides were portions of the New Testament, though they have been so heavily edited and re-written, I am now working with Yeshua to restore them.

(7) There is no loss of personal idenity unless you choose to be a walk-in.

(8) ET guides exist and work in the NOW. There is no psychological concept of time for them. They are somehow able to manipulate clock time, which is philosophically understandable since it is an illusion.

(9) The chakras in The Fellowship of Yeshua line up closely with the traditional undertanding of chakras.

(10) Do not fear the word "initiation." It simply means that you will meet your guide for the first time in a conscious or subconscious manner.

(11) So far, everyone who has followed the instructions in Appendix B have only had beautiful experiences.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

Originally posted by D3C0D3
I think that this is probbaly not a fraud i mean you can not compare this to nibiruancouncil stuff because what does his book cost 9 dollars ?

Theres no programs that i know of that you gotta by to do this , theres no personal sessions needed .

9 dollars to me is just marketing costs to me , I dont think theres any real money gain in that....


but i would like to see what you have to say about the nibiruancouncil stuff , Spirit.

Thank you.

In my humble opinion, the Nubiruan Council is a money-maker. I have asked Yeshua about that organization, and he has told me there is no such thing in true reality.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

Originally posted by Dr X
I'm sure that highly intelligent beings do not believe in reincarnation. It is a primitive belief system along with religion.

Out of curiosity, why do you think reincarnation is a primitive belief? And, what makes a primitive belief inherently wrong?

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

[edit on 12-7-2007 by spiritconnect]

Originally posted by catlantis

--Why do you not respond to every question? (for example my CARET questions

)
--Sometimes you say something is not relevant (I recall the question about the names of your guides); what is your exact thinking here?

Catlantis,

I sincerely appreciate your tone, and your willingness to help flesh out the book here without breaking my copyright.

I am swamped. I have conversations going on multiple boards, plus a full-time teaching job. I answer the questions I feel are most relevant to the purpose of my EY guides: spiritual awakening. I hope I'm doing a good job~

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

I should add that the battle between the forces of Lucifer and Yeshua are only physical on the side of Lucifer. The forces of Yeshua, as is the Fellowship, is pacifist. Any being who is completely conscious of himself, and enlightened to the reality of true Selfhood, cannot even conceive of conflict. The power of the Mind will eventually draw everything back into conscious reunion with the One.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

Originally posted by catlantis
Trying to sell something:

Yes, I agree. But I do not think he is selling what you may think he is selling (I dunno, I am not you

).
But to an extent, we are all "selling" something here. He just has an idea and a book.

He is trying to sell a book that is based on idea's that are Millenia old!!!! That's what he is selling!!!!!!! And as for the rest of us "selling" something here, if that were true, at least aren't making money off anyone. Whereas spiritconnect is actually trying to sell us a book for money.

In the end, I know what I post isn't trying to scam money off people. Whereas spiritconnect is trying to get money off people by rehashing ideas that have been round since the time of the Ancient Egyptians. But instead of saying "God", he is using aliens. And on top of that it has been done before, by various people. Anyone remember the "Stargate" cult?????

If people are gullible enough to give spiritconnect their money, then so be it, they are only wasting their own money, and are getting nothing in return for it. If you want, I can hook up up with a product that will let you meet fairies, pixies, aliens, and anything else you mind can think up. Hell, it may even let you meet God!!!!! And it won't cost you much at all!!!!!! I like to call it "drugs"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So spirit , What types of ET's are the good ones .

And witch ones are the bad ones ( The ones that line with Lucifer )

i have heard the race " reptilians " are within some of the goverment is this true ?

Edit: Insult removed.

[edit on 13-7-2007 by intrepid]

I'll have to agree with Weapon X here.
There's a gazillion sites on google on these subjects, of which a few (I don't actively seek these out so I don't know how many there are) are free.

I might've not seen sites that talk about astral projection to meet your guide, but I do have seen theories about guides, and about astral projection, just combine and you have a new ''theory''.

Whether the author of this book is trying to sell his book or trying to hand out the knowledge, the first would be lame, the latter would have to be done in another way rather than selling something.

That said, I'm what I call myself, a ''master'' of lucid dreaming.
And funny enough, the most (what I think) coolest part to master, got taught to me by an old wizard man in a tower (in ''dreamworld'', not in the real world lol), rather than some book in the bookstore for 9 dollars.

What that ability was? To dream an eternity whilst no time has passed in reality.

And now for the on topic question:

- Why did you decide to write your knowledge in a book and put it up for sale, rather than put it on the internets for free?
My theories.:
a.) You want to get money out of this, and are just putting up one big act.
b.) You did not know any better (you didn't know the internets?) So thought a book would be the only way.
c.) You were so astonished by everything that happened that you didn't think of putting it up for free.

[edit on 13/7/07 by -0mega-]

Originally posted by spiritconnect
Yeshua gave the hypnotic method because it allows us to bypass our egos and work directly with the subconscious mind.

I trust that Yeshua is getting a cut of the income generated by the book sales. After all, it's Yeshua's information that you and your publisher seem to be claiming copyright of.

If Yeshua existed would he (or she) really want you to exploit the contact methods he has provided you with? Surely they are meant for all mankind!

So much for 'spirituality'!

Why is the book titled The Fellowship of Yeshua: Communing With Your Ascended Soul Guides and not The Fellowship of Yeshua: Communing With Extraterrestrials as you have implied in your post?

Do you know Steven Greer and Billy Meier, by any chance? They, too, are snake oil salesmen. Same stuff, different shaped bottle.

[edit on 13-7-2007 by torsion]

Originally posted by D3C0D3



So spirit , What types of ET's are the good ones .

And witch ones are the bad ones ( The ones that line with Lucifer )

i have heard the race " reptilians " are within some of the goverment is this true ?

Edit: Insult removed.

[edit on 13-7-2007 by intrepid]

Dear D3C0D3,

ETs cannot be divided according to race when speaking of balance and imbalance. Some grays are balanced. Others are not. Some reptilians are balanced. Some are not. If an ET being is in league with Yeshua, he or she is spiritually advanced and balanced.

Not all ET beings are affiliated with either group. Some remain neutral.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

[edit on 14-7-2007 by spiritconnect]

[edit on 14-7-2007 by spiritconnect]

Originally posted by -0mega-
I'll have to agree with Weapon X here.
There's a gazillion sites on google on these subjects, of which a few (I don't actively seek these out so I don't know how many there are) are free.

I might've not seen sites that talk about astral projection to meet your guide, but I do have seen theories about guides, and about astral projection, just combine and you have a new ''theory''.

Whether the author of this book is trying to sell his book or trying to hand out the knowledge, the first would be lame, the latter would have to be done in another way rather than selling something.

That said, I'm what I call myself, a ''master'' of lucid dreaming.
And funny enough, the most (what I think) coolest part to master, got taught to me by an old wizard man in a tower (in ''dreamworld'', not in the real world lol), rather than some book in the bookstore for 9 dollars.

What that ability was? To dream an eternity whilst no time has passed in reality.

And now for the on topic question:

- Why did you decide to write your knowledge in a book and put it up for sale, rather than put it on the internets for free?
My theories.:
a.) You want to get money out of this, and are just putting up one big act.
b.) You did not know any better (you didn't know the internets?) So thought a book would be the only way.
c.) You were so astonished by everything that happened that you didn't think of putting it up for free.

[edit on 13/7/07 by -0mega-]

Dear Omega,

Why does anyone write a book? Think of your favorite authors. Are you angry that they decided to write and sell a book?

I wrote a book for two main reasons:

(1) I love to write.
(2) I want to make writing my career.

Does anyone work for free? Would you?

I should add that the book was brought up after the OP. I did not start this thread with the intention of talking so much about the book.

Bessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

Originally posted by spiritconnect
I should add that the book was brought up after the OP. I did not start this thread with the intention of talking so much about the book.

But it was you who brought up the book. Maybe not your first post, but certainly your second.

You also stated "I want to share in the joy of communing with spiritually advanced extraterrestrial beings..." and "I suppose my purpose in sharing my experiences with you is simply to let you know that you, too, can be in constant communication with a spiritually awakened ET, ".

Of the ETs you claim to be in contact with you say,"They are both extremely loving and concerned about the spiritual awakening of humanity, and they have shared their spiritual philosophy with me."

There's a lot of talk about sharing but when it comes down to it, it is clear that you are here sell, not share.

You claim that Yeshua is the incarnation Jesus Christ and he has given you specific information for the benefit of mankind. But instead of passing it on you choose to copyright it and profit by it. I would think that some Christians would consider that somewhat blasphemous.

As above person said, even though you might or might not have had finished the book after this topic started, you DID refer to it.
As said above, "I wish to share, if you want to know, go read my book".

Now as far as I know, the rights that are on that book, are about HOW its written, and not WHATS written in it.
After all, I've never been arrested because I told someone how to cook this or that, or how to do this or that, even if it's been written in countless books.

It might be me but I don't see in any problem in (when you wish to share knowledge) to phrase the knowledge you've written and sold in a book, in a different manner, and still show it to the people.

Just like there are $10+ books on lucid dreaming, i'd rather go to a free lucid dreaming site, which has the same (or even more) knowledge / articles / files than the book holds, and costs nothing compared to the X dollars.

To sum it up:
Since you claim to have copyright on that book, you're not allowed to copy paste something from within that book.

But you ARE allowed to write it in a different manner (summary, alternative version), as long as you don't copy the original text.

And on your comment about why you wrote a book.
If I liked writing, I would write a book yes.
But if I knew the secret to something special and / or completely uber:

- I'd either show off and do nothing.
- I'd show off BUT also share the knowledge (for free).
- I'd write a book and distribute copies for free (or at the cost of printing one book).

[edit on 14/7/07 by -0mega-]