Communing With Extraterrestrials

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
To the OP:

I have had a very spiritually advanced, perceptive woman (much older than I) tell me that I have some kind of "famillier" or "ascended helper". I was wondering if you have heard of this name she gave me:

"Jesfe" - pronounced like, "jessie"

I have a feeling with a name like that -- this "androgenous helper/guardian" might be very similar or one in the same to your Ascended EBE's.

If you can contact them (as I currently do not know how) could you ask yours if they know/have heard of this one for me? Sounds silly..I know...

During my next meditation, I will definitely ask. It's not silly at all.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

"Opportunist"! "Looter"! "Price Gouger"!
If you look at the actual definitions of these terms, you will find that you fit as a model for all of them!

You have no business playing with the minds of these open individuals! The people reading your posts, are looking for answers and logic to things they are feeling and thinking. You have none to offer.

Nobody will ever make contact with an alien due to any exercise you have developed, or are trying to sell.

Your posts sound like countless other posts, promises and goof-ball interviews.

These people are truly interested in finding a "real"component to the ideas and feelings that are at work in their hearts and psyches.

Unbelievable! Even the names of your alleged "contacts", are stolen from existing culture and belief!

If people find the tripe you are processing, to be interesting, there are many religions and belief systems that have been practicing and studying these principles successfully, and with selfless goals for ages.

The next time you post, I will totally obliterate ANY statements or promises you make. It will be very bad for you, and your "book".

Go away, and drink from the "weak" in another site or area.

I will be watching.

The names are similar (i.e. Yeshua and Gabriel) because many of the biblical names refer to ET beings. I have no idea why you think I am what you call me, but I would be more than happy to discuss your feelings in a civil manner.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

Originally posted by spiritconnect

During my next meditation, I will definitely ask. It's not silly at all.

SC, I am most interested in hearing about your personal experiences with ET, but with all due respect to both you, and to MystikMushroom...isn't it generally agreed that teaching the willing to fish, is more valuable and prudent...than providing the catch?

I have to believe that the role of 'Board Seer' could be tricky at best...and that any [unconscious] intent to sell books, or gather patrons on ATS would be short lived.

Evidently, your 'methodology' is sufficiently unique to meet the minimum requirements for copyright registration. May I ask who holds the copyright on your work...you, or your publisher?

Lest you be confused, I myself, am a dyed-in-the-wool...card-carrying believer in visitation. Thanks....


Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

[edit on 3-7-2007 by OBE1]

My publisher, CCB Publishing, holds the copyright. I am more than happy to answer specific questions about my experiences and the messages received from Yeshua and Gabriel. These, of course, are not copyrighted. The methodology for meeting ET guides is, however.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

well spirit connect i got to say it even if it gets me in strife from the mods your post has the hall mark of a snake oil salesman, the old this tonic costs nothing but due to the high cost of glass the small bottle it comes in costs plenty. if what you say is true and this ability is in everyone and we can use it and they your contacts want us to use it and they chose you to let it be known to all then let us all know how to do it here for free show your true love for all ,otherwise you and others like you just rip of people who are just trying to find some sort of answers to what they consider real issues in thier lives.

Thank you SpiritConnect for your positive message that I think all humans should consider. I think many people in today's society could benefit greatly from get in touch and in tune with their spiritual side.

I have been have very in depth lucid dreams for over a year now that have helped me spiritually awaken and look at the world in a new light. I have done extensive research on the contents of my dreams and find that a spiritual awakening of global proportions is a definite possibility in the future.

In my dreams, I talk to either two "aliens" in a pyramid-shaped ship/UFO, two Indians over a campfire or two old people in a shopping mall. I believe that they may be the same entities in the different settings and forms. In a shopping mall dream, they said their names were Alpert and Cherone (sp). I guess metaphysical types would call these manifestations "spiritual guides."

They have taught me much about many different subjects and told me many things too many to list even partially on here. That being said they told me I had to do use my own research and my own person discernment to reach my own conclusions about what the world and what may happen in general. They have also given me useful tools on how to look at things from different perspectives and with an open mind.

A couple things they have told me that I think may be. Everyone should use their own personal discernment in thinking what may or may not happen in the future and what is the true nature of the world is. They haven't told me many specifics about what the specifics of what may happen in the future as far as course and timing of any possible events.

The have said that they are Elohim, which I didn't know what that word even meant when I had these dreams. They have said on earth they would be considered "ancients." I suppose that it is a possibility that ET's are in fact a group of angels guiding humans on the path of evolution and spiritual awakening. They said that their home base in this located around Sirius and Osiris, which I thing was a joke because through research it appears they are the same thing. These entities have a good sense of humor and like to play a trick every once and a while. They also make some good tea on their ship.

Here's the gist of future going on that they have told me. They have said that something "big" was going to happen, which is something that they have repeated in multiple dreams. They have said that this was going to be a very positive experience for humans in general and a very psychological event. They said that people who are close-minded and fear will be the biggest problem. They told me fear and hate are bad words. They have intimated that the "end times" may mean the end of time. I am still trying to figure out how this would work. They also have said to me that this would be a "mid over matter" event if it does happen. This is the gist of what they told me without having to delve into discussions I've had with them that I deem somewhat personal in nature.

These dreams and in depth discussions have helped me better understand history, current events, philosophy and science much greater than my college educated brain would have ever comprehended before them. I feel truly blessed to have these entities looking out for me and teaching me so much. I think everyone has spirit guides, that some religions would call them "guardian angels." I feel that everyone on the earth are special and on their own specific spiritual and personal journey to better understand themselves and the world.

I wish all of the best on whatever path you travel. If you are interested in getting in touch with your spiritual side I would suggest investigating religions and there methods for spiritual discover. Also, you may want to look into such metaphysics as lucid dreaming and astral projection to reach your spiritual guides. I haven't done astral projection yet, but I am working on it. I can get it started, but it's a lot of fear to get over.

I personally have been doing meditation for around 13 years now for pain management and introspection while and after going through treatment for a brain tumor. Meditation has helped me immensely in my life. I am still learning as a person and continue to grow each day as a person. I think personal growth and spiritual growth is an important part of living as a full person in balance with yourself and the world around you. I also try to keep an open mind and don't assume anything will happen. I am just trying to live my life one day at a time with an open mind towards everyone and everything.

If I would have to take a guess based on research 2012 sounds like a plausible time frame for an awakening, but "big" things may begin earlier than that. I think the first step may be UFO disclosure, but we'll see. Perhaps, ET invasion could also happen.

Best of luck SpiritConnect with your book. I have thought about writing a book as well, but am now focused on writing music to express myself and what I've gone through in my life.

Thanks for responding Spiritconnect

I feel your sincerity, but please understand that when you start a new thread, as a relatively new member, and immediately reference your 'new book'...well, it's difficult not to interpret this as 'promotion'. I believe this is why your credibility was challenged from the get-go. Guess I may as well tackle the next issue for my own clarity, if nothing else.

When discussing your 'methodology' for contacting ET, you said in boldface:

Originally posted by spiritconnect

It is too long to do here, but in my new book, The Fellowship of Yeshua: Communing With Your Ascended Soul Guides, I introduce the method Yeshua gave that assists people in making contact with their ET guide. I can't wait until this information gets out, and people start realizing the potential they have in their own hands for spiritual awakening!

However the second time you referenced this exciting 'methodology', and your new book, you said, again in boldface:

Originally posted by spiritconnect

In my new book, The Fellowship of Yeshua, I provide a self-hypnotic method for meeting ET guides in Appendix B. I would publish it here, but it is now copyrighted, and my publisher would not be a happy camper.

So the reason for not posting your contact methodology here on ATS is because it's either; too long...or it's copyrighted...or possibly both?

This seeming contradiction may be easy to explain. I point it out only because this is the type of discrepancy (however small) that won't pass the smell test with many here...it's guaranteed to crimp your credibility...and you could be awhile overcoming the disadvantage. Personally, I have to admit that I may be a little over-sensitive to hoaxes & charlatanism right now.

Look forward to following your thread...see where it goes.


Peace &
Good Fortune
OBE1

I'm sorry. You lost me as soon as you started talking about Jesus.
Maybe you could leave the religion out of the equation too.

What it all boils down to is the beings are waiting for the human race to stop the hostilities and spiritually wake. You have to realize Earth is for all and everything on her will heal not only this planet but her inhabitants.

Not one human being should be suffering, there is no good reason why one person suffers hunger, or being homeless. There is no reason one person doesn't get medical attention just because they do not have insurance and so on. We are not anywhere close to being where we are supposed to be as I see it.

We have to learn spiritually that we all need to help one another just for helping one another, (for nothing) Earth was not meant to have boundries.



[edit on 3-7-2007 by observe50]

Sounds like a "plug the new book" thread to me.

"spiritconnect" what was wrong with your old account, "spiritconnections"?

spiritconnections Profile

And in this thread, as of January '07, the book was "soon to be published".

Contact With Extraterrestrials

Now that the book is published, it's time for some promotion!

EDIT: And this is his site - The Fellowship of Yeshua

[edit on 3/7/07 by thebox]

Yes I must agree with the many that have said it before me.
This is a promote a book thread.
I am glad your message seems to be one of optimism and encouragement. However I do hope the Mod's take a good look at the nature of your posts.
I see alot of bait and hooks but no real information being offered. only a reference to buy the book.
the guy on T.V. that sells the natural cure book uses the same strategy. "My publisher won't let me.....",or, "they say it's illegal for me to tell you on the air...."

You are selling a book

Sorry but I got to know this thread just now:
Please tell me who is it that all the people like yourself how have contact with ETs mentioned Jesus and never other prophets or teachers.
I have read a lots about channeling and encounter with ETs, not one of them have been in contact with a ET that claimed to have been reincarnated as Buddha. Mohammed, Moses and so other.
It seem like only ETs that have lived in the skin of Jesus are around now...why is that?

Thank you for answering.

you have a ph.d in what and what is the fellowship of jushua... that sound like a sect...


ps.sorry for my english

Originally posted by spiritconnect




My publisher, CCB Publishing, holds the copyright. I am more than happy to answer specific questions about my experiences and the messages received from Yeshua and Gabriel. These, of course, are not copyrighted. The methodology for meeting ET guides is, however.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

So, you are saying that somebody "owns" a method to contact ET's?
And, they own it because you sold it to them.
Isn't that like selling the ability to "pray"?
And, then you are here, talking about "spirituality" and claiming to be attaining a higher level of consciousness?
Ullpfff!... sorry. I just vomited in my mouth a little bit.

Originally posted by spiritconnect




My publisher, CCB Publishing, holds the copyright. I am more than happy to answer specific questions about my experiences and the messages received from Yeshua and Gabriel. These, of course, are not copyrighted. The methodology for meeting ET guides is, however.

Blessings,
Dr. Paul Daniel Payne, Emissary
The Fellowship of Yeshua

So, you are saying that somebody "owns" a method to contact ET's?
And, they own it because you sold it to them.
Isn't that like selling the ability to "pray"?
And, then you are here, talking about "spirituality" and claiming to be attaining a higher level of consciousness?
Ullpfff!... sorry. I just vomited in my mouth a little bit.

Like everybody else, I seek the truth. Like everybody else, I try to find answers. Answers to both the unexplained issues of the exterior world, as well as those questions that dwell within.

I have studied many religions, prophets, writers, speakers, etc. The one thing I have found to be true, is that any information or belief systems that seem to work, have a ring of truth, or actually give answers, can be found for free, and are freely given.

Through "Freedom" will "the Teacher" arrive and teach. He will take nothing in return. It will flow from him, and everybody receiving it will know that it is real.

And, I, by no means believe that there is only one teacher. But, I do know that, throughout the ages, none have SOLD their truths.

Also, there are those of us that do not take kindly to salesmen who try to capitalize on the weak by utilizing the names of great teachers and prophets.

If you truly had the answers and information that you claim to have, you would not NEED to sell anything. And you would definitely NOT be trying to sell these ideas on an ATS forum.

H

[edit on 7/3/2007 by Horrificus]

Sorry I posted this on the wrong thread.

[edit on 3-7-2007 by wigit]

Ok, I am breaking my lurker status here

I got the book. I am a sucka this way

I will read it, as it does seem interesting. Hope it is not a wasted $9

Apendix B is a self hypnosis script. Basically, get recording software (I think he mentions goldwave); and record the script and play it back at your convience.
Standard self-hypnosis stuff. It does mention stuff related to ships in stuff. But the environment painted seemed much like what Robert Monroe would call "the park".

For free info on how to attain this state you can check out:
www.geocities.com...
and check out the do_obe.pdf

Also
www.astraldynamics.com...
has Robert Bruce's freevstuff on astral projection (basically the precursor to his astral dynamics..)

And for entraining your brain to a particular state:
www.bwgen.com This is shareware, purchasing the product allows you to load other people's presets... but you can create your own with out it.

You wil find many tips and techniques in these to induce a state helpful for such "experiences". All good free stuff.

As for physical manefestations of talking with ET at your local brew pub.. I dunno... I have only been interested in this from a lucid dream perpective.