[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

Originally posted by PhrozenKrew
Shes a stooge Sidharta, and a hopeless one. Ok letz talley up what do you guyz have, Lets count
PROOF where the alfabet came from over 20 years ago, and they thinkin its some wierd exotic language. PROOF where the designs come like Okuda and that dude Frank Sternbach. PROOF where the atom symbol on LAP was found in the wikipedia. PROOF its like a game , cause all the constellations fit the numberz from Dogstar betalgeese and Vega.Yeah I reads all a SYSCOS stuff. PROOF they got first idea from Xmen. PROOF it came with cartoonz graffiti with da Dopefish and even LiL Prince and Commander KeenCrap. (Keep it Comin SYSCO )PROOF MUFON SAID IT FAKE (OUCH)!PROOF no wtnesses. PROOF Bike trail maps show They could not see where they said they saw PROOF FAKE EMAILS. (You go SYSCO) PROOF Chad LIED PROOF LINDA LIED about LocationsPROOF even Open Heads afraid to ask for TYB PROOF c2c dont wanna touch it! .PROOF Engineers Backed off and...
We gotz suspects
they have none

What do THEY have? --- 0-----

and have the noive to call it 50 50 what_ a_ joke!

PITIFUL, just plain PITIFUL ^-^
SYSCO aint defamed nobody. U and the O 'mfs did dat yourself TOMK Ucant deFlate SOMETHIN that dont even have air. You aint even gotz that. Fame u aint famous. WE know its REAL, like in REAL FAKE. and we gettin close now to the rest of the FAKES like U , FAKIN objectivity, in here What Trollz do, they come and go, in out like a flash, sometimez even funny, but U is worse, use ur friendz, leechin , and denyin truth and posteratin what u aint gotz , ignorin facts you call yourself REAL Dig it?

READ this to yourself its like Hangsman Noose,

Who is missing in this word D_RT clue..a homonym with organ for sight

Hello all!
Only thing missing is timestamps and links to the thread pages where evidence is presented! (this thread)
Excellent people!

Keep digging!


[edit on 3-4-2008 by spacebot]

Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
reply to post by Siddharta

 

Haw haw! Yeah, Sidd, I've been getting a lot of laughs at all the "news" stories on the web about Kris "now admitting" he did not create the drones. If anyone was wondering just how closely those "journalists" have been following the saga, well, there is your answer. What's next? Jimmy Carter admitting it wasn't him either?

The particular piece you quote, from Strieber's site, is just one in a long series of mangled facts reported there. To be fair to Whitley, he doesn't run the news section of his site, but then his judgment on this matter is, uh-oh here it comes, suspect.

As I saw it at O it said the PIs gave up the NEW witness to EFiles.
this pulls her and Whitleys BEHINDS out of the sling and as Murnut hypothesized in POSSIBLE exchange for the secret files files from Linda. Sounds good to me, but I can't keep from laffin I swearz. If its not that, then this is not good as we don't get the pix, and they pull Linda out_ the frying_ pan anyway Its like a whitewash for Linda . But if it goes like Murnut The pix is fake, but have a new credible in the flesh witness, everybody patz themselves on the Ahss for being right and callz it a day.
Thas why TomiK so cocky cuz she knew about this witness, no matter what break down, she still has her BUBBLE a tad small but still a bubble, and she can say she was right they iz real. This is BS
^_^


"The Drones Controversy
With the publication in the Los Angeles Times of an article revealing that a mysterious European source has hired two Los Angeles private detectives, T.K. Davis and Frankie Dixon, the drones controversy is getting hot again--and it's even hotter now that Davis and Dixon have introduced Linda Howe to a NEW witness, who is being interview publicly for the first time on Dreamland this weekend.

MUFON's James Carrion is also working on a story about the drones, and it is rumored that this will claim that they are all computer-generated graphics. However, the video artist who was widely believed to have created them, Kris Avery, now says that he only copied images he saw on the internet, but did not create them."

What new witness is that? Mysterious European source?

[edit on 3-4-2008 by PhrozenKrew]

[edit on 3-4-2008 by PhrozenKrew]

Don't Despair PK. Things are done like that all the time even with MSN. Lets hope that Carrion does a slam dunk with their presentation. He is new and smart, and understands the system very well. Thiis is his opportunity to establish his mark credibilty further to lead Mufon into this century, to both listen, examine and make short shrift of hoaxes and hold up the true article. We are not experts, you and I, as the uncredentialed DRT, and "investigators" like Linda and Whitley purport to be. They are all interwined in the promotion of a belief paying only a cursory respect to scientific principles rather than respecting established standards like Mufons.Their Belief and careers are on the line here.

It really is do or die for them. WE here, on the other hand used what common sense, and available information there was to be had to put a good foot foward in coming to the only conclusion that information pointed to. That was Hoax as reasonably sure as reasonable people given our limited circumstances and resources allowed and we should be fine with that. The next steps is really mufons as they have the experience and track record and now new resources. It is not do or die for us. The plus here was not only finding all we did as sources of material for the Caret, we caught important or self important people "untruthing" and holding out. A sign we are on the right side. And we did it without PIs, and from our "armchairs".
You saw how the DRT Tomi quickly reminded us of tha Carrion was an NSA employee, as if that were a taint or badge of Dishonor. That short remark intended to discredit my research skills, spoke volumes of the DRT plans and state of mind.. More than that, it was also to rehearse for what they already know is coming, just like a script or the " party line " for Carrions presentation, and future cases of interest that the Lindas and c2cs and DRT promote.
Thats what they want to use as a "counter" to promote distrust/mistrust of people using scientific scrutiny, because such scrutiny generally makes the Lie fall apart. There was money to pay thousands of dollars for PI, how much went to true certified forensic analysis of the photographs? why not? So remember PK Tomis words about Carrion, when he issues his report, and what I have said here today.

because a certifior will not put its stamp on the uncertifiable.
and neither will Mufon. Thats why I want them there a barrier for our own protection.

However imperfect, those higher standards are better than what was done here, and the ORT and Linda wont play "ball" with Mufon so now we have what we have here. An illusion of movement but the ball never moved, because it was not meant to be in our court , but theirs, a Fundamentalist believers game.
Thats why that debunked autopsy still sells, as long as they can promote mistrust of the "certifiers" or scientists and believers buy into that as well as the ET body itself, or boulders magically growing hair.

All is as we expected it would be , but its not the end PK and you and I will not have to suffer the indignity of the cowards who die a thousand deaths, guarding not proving their beliefs, and fearing that it may be shattered at every turn or moment.

Good Night My friends













[edit on 3-4-2008 by Sys_Config]

reply to post by PhrozenKrew


That's the same sort of buildup they gave that poor guy last year who WAS WILLING TO GO ON RECORD!!! with name and everything, with a sighting from a few years previous. He turned out to be a sincere sounding fellow with a weird story about an object he said looked like a hermit crab. It's not hard to believe he saw something strange or even otherworldly, but to tie it to the Chaddrome business was quite a stretch. His description of the object resembled those floating banjos in the way a Greyhound bus looks like a fighter jet. They both have wheels and run on kerosene, after all.

I am still amazed that no one talks about the stuff going on in Texas. There you have real people with jobs that require a high degree of public confidence, describing completely absurd things (a mile-long space ship?) and having zero to poor pictures with which to back it up, and yet there they are on You Tube, telling their stories. Quite a contrast to the phantom "witnesses" of Chaddrome who present all the substance of an email message.

I am sure LMH is not trying for irony, but here is a headline cut and pasted from Earthfiles:

"April 2, 2008 - Part 9 - Real X-File, Source Unknown."

Part 8 is introduced with a provocative quote from an "Unknown Scientist." That's very helpful!

reply to post by Sys_Config


Well put, sys! It is hard to overstate the importance of not falling for disinfo campaigns, which is surely what this has become, even if it didn't start out as anything more malignant than a prank. It has been amply demonstrated on numerous occasions that there are well paid people out there with orders to distract, delude, or destroy any effective researcher or group they can. Results vary, but the damage is great. The worst thing we can do is let some researcher or investigator fall for their artificial bait.

Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
reply to post by Sys_Config

 

Well put, sys! It is hard to overstate the importance of not falling for disinfo campaigns, which is surely what this has become, even if it didn't start out as anything more malignant than a prank. It has been amply demonstrated on numerous occasions that there are well paid people out there with orders to distract, delude, or destroy any effective researcher or group they can. Results vary, but the damage is great. The worst thing we can do is let some researcher or investigator fall for their artificial bait.

Thanx Double,
I was looking at your signature with Groucho Marx, that man like twain was brilliant. I caught him on TV all the time.
Did you notice that a new poster Jim at OM is laying the foundation for the science of the Drone, and says he is VP of a smelting factory. has a thread called Engineering. His style sounds very familar, cant put my finger on it. Figured out how to find the correct telephone pole based on angles of guy lines. Quite intelligent. said he gave data to Pis, knows the geometry of that caret as having possibly been a cad program. worth checking him out.
I am crashing for real now.
Adios!

Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
reply to post by PhrozenKrew

 

That's the same sort of buildup they gave that poor guy last year who WAS WILLING TO GO ON RECORD!!! with name and everything, with a sighting from a few years previous. He turned out to be a sincere sounding fellow with a weird story about an object he said looked like a hermit crab. It's not hard to believe he saw something strange or even otherworldly, but to tie it to the Chaddrome business was quite a stretch. His description of the object resembled those floating banjos in the way a Greyhound bus looks like a fighter jet. They both have wheels and run on kerosene, after all.

I am still amazed that no one talks about the stuff going on in Texas. There you have real people with jobs that require a high degree of public confidence, describing completely absurd things (a mile-long space ship?) and having zero to poor pictures with which to back it up, and yet there they are on You Tube, telling their stories. Quite a contrast to the phantom "witnesses" of Chaddrome who present all the substance of an email message.

I am sure LMH is not trying for irony, but here is a headline cut and pasted from Earthfiles:

"April 2, 2008 - Part 9 - Real X-File, Source Unknown."

Part 8 is introduced with a provocative quote from an "Unknown Scientist." That's very helpful!

Yo Double Smooth!
Same wit bunch wanted to take with Portuguese Shirley with her like sighting, she was sincere too , but the prob waz she sez it was a chupacabra, and they HERE wanted to link up to drone, and showed her the drone pix and, I laffed, she sez no no, I dont KNOW that one, ONLY the chupacabra. end of story. When Dreamlands get thrus with this guy I bet he be seein our drone with xmas ballz or wish he had.
Lets_ see_ what_ happenz to the picturez from MY TY ^_^

Originally posted by Nola213

Haveing said all that, I think it'd be best for YOU, and for US at ATS if you.
just left.

Please do not pretend to speak for me, if you intended to include me in the US at ATS.

"There is only one thing more useful in politics than having the right friends, and that is having the right enemies."

I personally would not ask anyone to leave...far be it from me to take that banner upon myself...however, I can see that it is irritating for one to suggest that they have some "info" that they have to keep "under wraps"....it's either give it up, or stop talking about it until you are ready to give it up....not to sound argumentative or disrespectful...but come on already.

Hi chunder Hi fort!!
I have to take full responsibility for letting things get out of hand. All I had to do was use the ignore button, that I never really saw before until Nola pointed it out. We all had to endure several pages of back and forth without getting a scintilla of information. There is a prior history of collective abuse we recieved at the other forum. And some of us are here now. but it seems bad feelings remain. When I visit other forums I always shared or put a link or something. This person was basically here to defend her honor and her own DRT group grudge essentially. Had I just used ignore everything would be copathetic.
Forgive Nola he was reacting naturally as you would for a friend. No harm was intended and I bite the bullet on this one.
ayway..I really am crashing now,
You have all a Blessed Night.

I wonder if this is the "big fish" tomi was talking about, a bulb drone funnily drawn on a brochure for flowers...

Still nobody, who would back up the photo witnesses - o, of course, a similarity to Alabama-Smith.

This must have confused LMH a little, since she writes twice "Tom Smith" instead of Tom Davis.

She still seems to be angry about Kris, thinking he added her voice into the video. But at least she gives him some publicity, too.

Now some minor imprecisions don't matter in a big investigation. So it is no wonder, that the new witness says this:

"Others have considered that long part to be the tail of it, but to me it was the front because I haven’t seen these before (or the photos before) and so what I was seeing was the long pointed end was the part that was headed forward."

"Geoff did show me a picture of the Capitola photo that was over a telephone pole. I thought it was probably nothing, so I dismissed it and wasn’t paying much attention to it. But Geoff still was, though. When I happened to see this thing in the sky, I’m like, ‘Oh, my gosh, that looks kind of like what he’s talking about.’"

Geoff showed her the photo, but she never did mind until she saw the bulb drone, but she never had seen the photos before...

Now I start to see the big picture! This is a viral campaign for Kate Avery's flower studio www.kateaveryflowers.co.uk... who surely is a relative to Kris. They want to expand to the US, this is why Stephen was on foto safari for flowers. The drones are checking out good places for planting..

Okay, one more wittness is one more wittness, why look for imprecisions. It's quantity that counts (letterly) and not quality.



[edit on 4-4-2008 by Siddharta]

reply to post by Siddharta


"Okay, one more wittness is one more wittness, why look for imprecisions. It's quantity that counts (letterly) and not quality."

Stop it Sidd! Yer killin' me!

Now we have animal (hermit crab), mineral (chaddrone metal or plastic), and vegetable (rutabaga). Cool.

For the record, and for those who might not have followed this when Kris was doing his thing: Kris Avery has seldom passed up an opportunity to explain, very patiently and in detail, just what he did, why he did it, and when. Now LMH is going on like the rest of the quacking chorus about Kris and asking just what is the truth. Do your homework, Linda!

Originally posted by fortwynt
I personally would not ask anyone to leave...far be it from me to take that banner upon myself...however, I can see that it is irritating for one to suggest that they have some "info" that they have to keep "under wraps"....it's either give it up, or stop talking about it until you are ready to give it up....not to sound argumentative or disrespectful...but come on already.

My posts were meant to explain what the DRT is, to exonerate OM Forum from the accusations from being behind what we are doing, I tried to identify that we were members of OM Forum along with the members here, we have been around together for almost a year now, those here and us over there, for all you newbies who think you can tell me to go away like you own the scene.. you are just walking into it, you have miles to go before you cover the history I have with some of the people here you are kissing up to.

Basically, I tried to be forthcoming, while being attacked her relentlessly. Obviously, if a team is working on a project they can't open up the world to the work in process. Sys affords video game makers this reasonable MO, but not a team who is donating their resources to a cause we are all interested in. Sys.. charity begins at home and with the drones...

I tried to explain that we were after the big picture, not to gloat. Read into my post what you want. All of my words were with the intention of sending a message about where we intend to go with this and to explain the current situation.

[edit on 4-4-2008 by tomiuk]

What about the new documented sighting on 3-31?

Originally posted by Sys_Config
Don't Despair PK. Things are done like that all the time even with MSN. Lets hope that Carrion does a slam dunk with their presentation. He is new and smart, and understands the system very well. Thiis is his opportunity to establish his mark credibilty further to lead Mufon into this century, to both listen, examine and make short shrift of hoaxes and hold up the true article. We are not experts, you and I, as the uncredentialed DRT, and "investigators" like Linda and Whitley purport to be. They are all interwined in the promotion of a belief paying only a cursory respect to scientific principles rather than respecting established standards like Mufons.Their Belief and careers are on the line here.

All is as we expected it would be , but its not the end PK and you and I will not have to suffer the indignity of the cowards who die a thousand deaths, guarding not proving their beliefs, and fearing that it may be shattered at every turn or moment.

Good Night My friends






[edit on 3-4-2008 by Sys_Config]

Yo you guyz roK! That was DEEP but, I callz a SPADE_A_SPADE even when that lady STILL comin here TODAY AGAIN to add comments and adds nothin just talks bout her group HEY WTF! I saw stuff over there bout Springerz and the all of ATS over and over and he and none of us over there to EXONERATE or WHINING n like a LITTLE B , but dis one is. That Dude Kris did same thing EVERYWHERZ his name mentions ,he jumps in like he been hurt or offended,, like yeah he didnt do it but he there all the time reverse advertizin, he got a free ride like all the otherz and this lady gettin a free ride here 2 .

Tomik follow you own advice HERE you gave TODAY to your homiez who are gonna EAT you up and let us move on!

These are the same people who have nothing substantive to offer to the case except their own skeptical opinions. Offer up some substantive data and join in, or stop the continual complaining and demands.

tomi

IF da Shu Fitz Wears It TomK

Da linez you mention Sidharta for a shrink test intarestin and possible , I think though they hitch rides too like the Alienwhere. The gamez I saw Sysco find may be problem solving tests that appeal to particular groups, and_ I _don't_ mean_gamerz. But thats speculative and just a thought But there is that pattern start pauze assess identify define engage religion environment battle regroup engage again realign ETC engage in just watchin everyones motionz. If they aint doin it, they SHOULD be SYSCO saw AmmoMarketing and CARAT doin it , and whos to say the military shrinx can't hire a group like Carat Fusion like a straw FRONT? They use em for Recruitment Viralz ,Just a MUSIN idea that keeps poppin bak ,thats all ^_^








[edit on 4-4-2008 by PhrozenKrew]

Just use the Ignore button, PK. It's like those noise-canceling headphones that almost make air travel tolerable.

Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
Now we have animal (hermit crab), mineral (chaddrone metal or plastic), and vegetable (rutabaga). Cool.

You forgot the most pretty one: The Memphis sperm drone!



I wonder, whey they didn't compare that one to the vegetable drone.
But then again: Looking at it, it seems to be a view from a drone right on Pinocchio's head... Look at that long nose!

[edit on 4-4-2008 by Siddharta]

reply to post by Siddharta


Dang! I managed to miss that one. I really should limit my visits to the real world to a couple of weeks at a time, if I have any hope of keeping up with all this. Let me guess... the sperm drone was seen by an anonymous witness?

Originally posted by Siddharta

Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
Now we have animal (hermit crab), mineral (chaddrone metal or plastic), and vegetable (rutabaga). Cool.

You forgot the most pretty one: The Memphis sperm drone!

I wonder, whey they didn't compare that one to the vegetable drone.
But then again: Looking at it, it seems to be a view from a drone right on Pinocchio's head... Look at that long nose!

[edit on 4-4-2008 by Siddharta]

I agree! I remember that 1 . I can't BELIEVE this is like that two sisterz interview with suggesting a shape to the witness. The thing is like thousans of feet up, 10001 10002 1000 , at least 10 secs at 10k and sound always takes time to come back, then tying a BIG military plane to do a "pursuit "as a suggestion to , too high too see clear but want the witness to make ring and markings . Yo, like I said to Double, she will be saying xmas balls on the drone, give it some time.air. Thanx Mz Linda
Desperate timez call for Desperate measurez.
But sending a refuelin tanker or Cargo to do pursuit (it was BIG at that high an altitude with contrailsso musta been huge) is REALLY funny.
BUT if it gets the TY pix to the PIs its ok, I dont care, she can stay in Biz.,
I just wanna resolve this case not unconnected Kraft like this one. Too high to see the dot in sky, therefore you cannot rule out Drone nor a "Witch on a broom" for that matter. same value as those pix

quote earthfiles interview
If you held your hand straight up against a jet commercial plane – that’s a couple of inches. This thing was maybe an inch and a quarter. So, it was really high up there. It was hard to tell how long it was because I didn’t have a whole lot of reference.

Later, I saw pictures (of 2007 dragonfly drones) that showed spiky appendages coming off of it (ring). I didn’t see that, but I’m thinking it’s because it was so high that I couldn’t see that.

DID YOU SEE A RING AND SEE THE SKY THROUGH THE RING?

That’s hard for me to decide. What I saw, it was so high up that I’m not positive if there really was a ring that I could definitely see on that or not. To me, it seemed like a stainless steel color. It did not seem super shiny. But again, it was so high and the angle I was seeing at was kind of underneath it. But since it was heading away from me, it was at an angle where I couldn’t really get a good look at exactly the bottom of it and I sure could not see the top of it. It could have had a ring in it because it could have been a little bit lighter in the middle (of round part). But I couldn’t tell if I could see sky through it because it was moving.


Oh, definitely! I could see and hear it (Cessna) and it made me realize how high that other must have been. Then a little past that, a plane came south that looked like a military. Geoff thought it was a military plane because of the number of engines on it and it had that white trail that comes out the back of it.

I was really curious if anybody saw this on radar because those two planes came from the other direction not too long afterwards.

DID GEOFF HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THE MILITARY PLANE SHOWED UP BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF THE DRAGONFLY?

He didn’t know. He just thought it was a coincidence that all of a sudden here was this big military plane, up high enough that it had the white trail coming off the back of it, and we don’t see those that often up here.”[/unquote]

Amuzin
PS I will work
on My Grammer

[edit on 4-4-2008 by PhrozenKrew]

[edit on 4-4-2008 by PhrozenKrew]

This one was not anonymous, at least she had a name and age... Since LMH has closed the doors, I quote it from page 9:

Originally posted by Quazi176
I just read this on Coast to Coast. Interesting. About possible drones. I don't see this posted yet.

Coast to Coast Link

Quote:
July 10, 2007 Memphis, Tennessee - On June 28, 2007, I received an email with the subject line, "drones," from Kathleen Deaton, 44, who lives with her husband and children in central Memphis. Her email began: "Back in 2005, I was sitting on my deck here in Memphis, Tennessee, in June. At about 3:30 PM, ...I turned around to see one of the most incredibly odd things I've ever seen. It looked like a big sperm cell - it was an opaque balloon of some sort with a tail which seemed to propel it. ...It was flying about 20 feet off the ground, coming between the trees and other houses, and was flying right over my backyard directly towards my deck and me."

It seems, Linda prefered to keep it seperate from the other drones. But Nemo put it in his list of obviously true sightings.

This one proves, that they are after our women, making them pregnant and infiltrate us like that. Like in "Village of the Damned"... only bigger sperms...