[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

Originally posted by murnut
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Yes....that guilt by association condemns Isaac as well.

OMG, Mur, that analogy is absolutely Spot On!, Art Bell wass Navy I think, and Bren Army at OM I think, nice fatigues though, Springer , marines I think, Lord, lets clear out everyone with military and Intellegence, not.. but do they see that..

Shad, that was great you asked that question, it was a very very important question that troubled many I am sure, and which Eleven answered well.puts things on an equal playing field..(bad analogy)..but all I can think of. and restores trustworthyness.
Now the selfish part of wants to know, has anyone knocked on Chads or Rjs door
Kudos..

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It was a question that needed to be asked. I am not one to hold back when there are important and unanswered questions...... hopefully 11 is as good as his word and whatever truth is discovered is learned by all!! My mind is a but more at ease anyway!

Originally posted by murnut
reply to post by tomiuk

 

Yes...I am the master baiter as you say.

You just show a lack of respect for anyone that disagrees with you...including the head of the largest UFO organization in the States.

We work hard towards resolving this case, we invest time and money as I have said here before many times. I have a lack of respect for anyone, no matter who they are, that armchair investigates this issue then offers up pontifications on it, like they have done their due dillegence. Any real investigative work done by Mufon on the drone matter was done by their researchers independently of Mufon and not under Mufon's umbrella.

From what we are getting in feedback from a range of Mufon investigators, shows us that internally there is as little appreciation for Carrions work on the drone matter as there was coming from our Forum and other Forums. This little group of the Mufon appreciation club for Carrion is a rare exception. Perhaps he should hire you lot.

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Originally posted by tomiuk

Originally posted by murnut
reply to post by tomiuk

 

Yes...I am the master baiter as you say.

You just show a lack of respect for anyone that disagrees with you...including the head of the largest UFO organization in the States.

We work hard towards resolving this case, we invest time and money as I have said here before many times. I have a lack of respect for anyone, no matter who they are, that armchair investigates this issue then offers up pointifications on it, like they have done their due dillegence. Any real investigative work done by Mufon on the drone matter was done by their researchers independently of Mufon and not under Mufon's umbrella.

From what we are getting in feedback from a range of Mufon investigators, shows us that internally there is as little appreciation for Carrions work on the drone matter as there was coming from our Forum and other Forums. This little group of the Mufon appreciation club for Carrion is a rare exception. Perhaps he should hire you lot.

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I may disagree with some of his findings, but recognize his talent. As I disagree with your assessment, but recognize your talent. he has never ever dropped in here and chatted. I may not like that, but he did not. Perhaps he did not know what to expect, or your research had advanced oto pique hiss interest, and its essential he get the latest report. That does not diminish him in my eyes. But again, he is not the one holding up progress, the PIs appear to have to work their way totally around LM to get to the bottom of this. If they snag either Raj or Chad, they bagged them all, except Fearless leader Isaac, who wrote the manual.

Hi everybody,

as I see, you wrote a lot, but I must read that later. Everybody is on strike here and things are not so easy.
So I found my local morning paper just an hour ago and I was surprised, that the drones were mentioned! I haven't done anything else, but to type the article since than.

I am to tired now to translate it, so sorry for the Googlish, but here it is:

CENAP proves drones are real!

The most famous ufologist of Germany, Werner Walter, is said today, Tuesday completed an investigation of the case of the drones of California drones. Surprisingly, accused to be a skeptic, the researcher explained the drones are real.

Mannheim, 01.04.2008. While dyes UFO communities worldwide in two camps split on the Internet and the secret of the drones were trying to solve, had CENAP tints of a sound an early analysis and research. Initially quite sceptical, surprised now at a press conference this morning is with a totally different opinion.

"When we saw the first pictures, we were convinced that it is fake, "said Werner Walter, "also reports published seemed incostistent to us. But the longer we worked, the more doubt we had of our assessment."

The final change took place when the witness Chad in the CENAP reported. "We thought because, to us a leg dyes, "says Werner Walter, commonly referred only WW. "But then he sent us without hesitation the memory card of his digital camera. We were flabbergasted."

Now the Mannheimer group researched further. A hot track was Rajman, director of the witness, even un-voiced Internet. Color Mannheimer felt it and were able to convince him that they have not given the ridiculous price was. In particular dyes fact that Chad already had contacts with the group, convinced Rajman, director.

Both had already been contact with the mysterious Isaac, all the witnesses had asked for him to report. In the 80ies he worked on the secret project called CARET participated and knew true background tints. In fact, several witnesses had reported to him, tint elsewhere rather wanted to remain anonymous.

. 0 Suddenly it as a revelation, "said WW,. Delay Everything suddenly open in front of us!" However, we must also be colored CENAP not publish was not already been published.

. Blabs actually very mysterious incidents, "said WW,. Too, our team was in its research in California rather harshly dealt with. Tints When cases suddenly appeared in the press, we are very surprised."
Color hope, however, that public nun dice cube learn truth remained.
. 0 First, it looks as if someone zuvorgekommen us, "said WW,. But then suddenly was reported Chad photographs were also near the Big Basin been shot ... As war clear to us that something is not right."

And then the team got the cave CENAP decisive call. Color message of the anonymous caller war clear: If tints USA or you will no longer have the opportunity! The caller spoke with an extreme accent.

War, believes tints CENAP could put this matter behind? . We are where we are today, "differs from WW,. That is all we can say was."

Source: Shildaer Wochenzeitschrift, 01. April 2008

Edit: Sorry. Tried to make it better, but I am too tired now. Maybe tomorrow.

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April Fools!

Edit: Sorry. Tried to make it better, but I am too tired now. Maybe tomorrow.

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Sidd, this is monumental , everyone must be in shock over there.
I have confirmed the followin from independent sources. It seems the government is already involved You know babel fish its terrible
Government gets adequate vote to avoid Alien probe

The coalition fended off calls for a parliamentary enquiry by immediately securing the necessary two-thirds majority vote , to declare the Drones Hostile ,within the Bundestag.



Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The US hit a target thought to hold Drones and Pilots . no further reports/

PKG chairperson Norbert Röttgen from the CDU said that both BND agents left in Duseldorff just before the start of the hostile Drones would not have contributed military intelligence to US forces. SPD representative Olaf Scholz added that "there is now no more to examine."

according to DW-World..DE

The report, which was presented in a closed session on Wednesday, will be made public on Thursday.


However, while the government closed the book on the Drones , the report was opposed by members from the three opposition parties, including the Greens, who formed part of the coalition government in 2003 when the alleged incidents or sightings took place and demand no hostility, and to enter into dialogue with the unknown craft.



Greens representative maintains belief in allegations



The representative of the Green party in the PKG, Hans-Christian Ströbele, held a very different view from the government: "I say, quite unambiguously, that two Federal Intelligence Service employees in Berlin and Hamburg identified and shot down these Drones. and that Germany passed that information onto the United States," he stressed.



Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The committee saw no complicity in the alien abduction of Khaled al-Masri, famous drone witness.

The enquiry body also deciding that German secret services had not taken part in detaining the scientists for breach of state security.i, a German of Lebanese origin seized by the CIA in Dronenburg De, also a witness. denials flew German security services had taken part in the illegal examination of witnesses and and others no less at Guantanamo Bay.

It looks like the PTB want to clamp it down Sidd, what can we do for you?
The embassy is too far from here and my car is broke I only have a Schwinn bicycle now.
Ido have an old Ham radio, with the call Letters below. We are all Praying for you Including Tomi, and Shad and Mur were here earlier They send prayers too, I think.






cc:










Call Letters RU KUKU

april fools !!!!








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Originally posted by Sys_Config
the PIs appear to have to work their way totally around LM to get to the bottom of this. If they snag either Raj or Chad, they bagged them all, except Fearless leader Isaac, who wrote the manual.

I'm amazed at your presumptions, especially since you are just knowing about the DRT.. I guess you have to flog something.... but that dog don't hunt ..

Originally posted by tomiuk

Originally posted by Sys_Config
the PIs appear to have to work their way totally around LM to get to the bottom of this. If they snag either Raj or Chad, they bagged them all, except Fearless leader Isaac, who wrote the manual.

I'm amazed at your presumptions, especially since you are just knowing about the DRT.. I guess you have to flog something.... but that dog don't hunt ..

Im sorry, I meant the rest of us yokels not on the teams or with the PIs, or privy to LMH if she is with you all, we are here just to be your captive audience. You called yourself that, not I. Since we are here clueless and you are in the know,, allow us the meager luxury of guessing.
It should be obvious their is a team, even Fore claims that, if you bag evn one, the rest fall, unless it compartmentalized dissemination, where the left knows not what the right hand is doing. Have you considered that? of course not, because you say its Real. well if it is, then its earth made, as Isaac stated, Intelligence protocols would have such procedures to obfuscate a real siting of classified device, they have had enough practice doing that already.
Now is there anything at all you can add or report to the case , or is it just claiming Real and barking at different opinions than yours?

addendum..it seems quite a few were asking what DRT is, and who they are.
The name of "DRT" was create in mid November 2007, as a suggestion from Tomi, but we all followed the drone story since the beginning.
We all had already worked, more or less, together on this business.

The DRT is composed by:



Tomi01uk (UK)

Onthefence (Canada)

10538 (USA)

Nemo492 (France)

Raska (France)

Elevenaugust (France)

The DRT is an international researchers group; all the members are also OMF's members and this drone research is for each one of us like a second full-job.
Personnally, i spend 5-6 hours a day (sometimes more) to work on it since the beginning.
We obviously think that it's an extraordinary case, probably one of the best, whether it's a fake or not, and that it deserves a thorough study. We now have the means of making it.

only 6 members, formed in November 2007, loosely organized the "business" relying on the PI. Funding Undisclosed. Track record Unknown. Caseload unknown. Yet you expect us to get an fair balnced summary, when you wont answer why LMH has with held the Photos, after her excuse intially ran out. yet allude to she is Helping/Just how is he helping? The funding?, calling me presumptious that she isn't helping. How dare you! Give us a reason Tomi, the questions pre dated the DRT by months. You worked on this before DRT or were you all interested more in your business than your own membership during all those months before?
Objective? 1035? after his comments on hestating with the truth?


You must be out of your cotton pickin mind !!

If you think ,I am buying this. We would like an answer like yesterday. Or its obvious you are here playing games.
April fools is one thing, but the overal year is about answers and not hyping your agenda, or team, or "business". Thats why you knocked Mufon, so hard.. a competing business. Answer the early questions first Tomi or stop waisting our bandwith here!





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Are you fishing for what we know? Entitlement issues don't seem to surface with but a few.. And all have to wait as we do as well, except we are in deep waters, where it pays to be in a safe cage.

Originally posted by tomiuk
Are you fishing for what we know? Entitlement issues don't seem to surface with but a few.. And all have to wait as we do as well, except we are in deep waters, where it pays to be in a safe cage.

It boils down to this tomi....proof for you, is not proof for all.

You think the evidence tilts towards legitimacy.

Others see no evidence pointing in that direction.

You have evidence you have not shared.

It is likely since you do not share the evidence of proof, as you believe....

You probably don't share the evidence that points to something you don't believe.

Get it?

Objectivity?

Originally posted by murnut
It is likely since you do not share the evidence of proof, as you believe....

You probably don't share the evidence that points to something you don't believe.

Get it?

Objectivity?

There is no evidence so far of a hoax. Nothing, nadda... none.. if there was, we would objectively follow that to its depth.

You accuse these PI's, who have over 60 years of police and agency work under their belt??? You accuse their network of fellow police, retired and active? What keeps people honest is integrity. Which we have in abundance, plus a network of police to make sure..

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Okay, you guys, I don't know how you got me. I followed all the rules. I used a synonym, wrote the text in German, than translated it into English.

It sounded rather pidgin already, but I needed more blur. So I retranlated it into German. Sounded kind of Kiswahili now.

This I did with Power translator, now Google came into the game and made it sound very alien.

I never would have thought, you would find out. Or quarrel on after this.

Remember the pisces-people-story? At the end I said, I don't believe, they know anything, because they are the kind of people who cry out: Here we are! And they never did.

I don't think those special task forces are of the same kind - however they call themselves. But they would call out: We have proof! (if they had).

They don't do it, because they don't have.

Right, dear?

Edit to catch up with myself. My God! I didn't know, that I can think more quickly than I type!!!

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She is shifting the focus to the PI's which are not an issue any longer as eleven has promised the data a day or so after they get it.
She wont answer the questions posed to her at all, just circumvent.
worse than Pisces did, blustering about character assiination. Since when does a months old question become such a lethal weapon?
answer the questions the simple questions I just gave you Tomi, do the right thing we are not your enemies, you can do it Tomi!

Originally posted by Siddharta
I don't think those special task forces are of the same kind - however they call themselves. But they would call out: We have proof! (if they had).

They don't do it, because they don't have.

Right, dear?

I never thought you, dear Reader, could be such a master baiter as well..

Patience pays when fishing for the big ones.

So Tys pix are the keyss to the BIG one, and thats why LMH has held off, and lied initially, hmm. That does not register, the lieing does, I am afraid. And the earlier claims of people scared with no police reports from anywhere of threats oor missing persons. and that does not register, either as thats over 16 people not including relatives...hmm
..and that does not phase you.
Well I guess there really isnt anything to discuss with you any further.
have a great day!

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Wrong!

I accuse the DRT 6 of a lack of objectivity.

All that has been demonstrated, to date, is the lack there of.

The words YOU are using are nothing more than hype meant to trigger a response.

Actions speak louder than words.

Demonstrate your objectivity!

Originally posted by murnut
reply to post by tomiuk

 

Wrong!

I accuse the DRT 6 of a lack of objectivity.

All that has been demonstrated, to date, is the lack there of.

The words YOU are using are nothing more than hype meant to trigger a response.

Actions speak louder than words.

Demonstrate your objectivity!

Objectivity means being open minded in the assessment of evidence. What evidence do you think we have not been objective about? Conjecture is not evidence. You provide conjecture and accuse. We investigate. Go over to OM Forum and take this tired tirade. I've said more than your attitute towards us "DRT6" as you like to call it deserves already.

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Being open minded also means being open to all possibilities Tomi. The problem we have with the DRT is that they are all die hard drone believers, none of which has ever even been willing to admit the possiblity the drones are a hoax. A skeptic or 2 on the DRT would do wonders for their objectivity IMO.

So I ask you this Ms Tomi, what would it take for you to believe this to be a hoax? Are your PIs being paid to be objective or only report the possiblilty that the drones are real. I mean lets be realistic the PIs are working to prove the drones real....but what if they prove they arent...are you willing to accept such findings in good faith?

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What evidence exactly is there?

Anonymous photo-witnesses are not evidence.

Isaac's doc's are not evidence by themselves.

I think I am being reasonably objective.

I would certainly consider verifiable evidence.

I don't make excuses for inconsistantcies in the facts as they have been described.

You said all the evidence points to legitimacy.

There is no evidence, objectively speaking.

I will remain objective, when reading the DRT report, when it is released.

I doubt, I will treat it as harshly as you have treated me, or the other fine people here.

I would still like to hear of an example of the DRT' objectivity, for all the statements to date, clearly state you believe every aspect of the drone story, as described by the anonymous photo-witnesses, and Isaac.

Every aspect....right?
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To be clear, I believe visitation has occured, is occuring...I don't need proof of this.

I don't believe the drone story as it has played out.

At best, in my opinion, it is info/disinfo released for the purpose of observing viral memes online.



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