[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

Originally posted by Siddharta

Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
Thanks, Sidd, for reading OMF so we don't have to, as well!

I wish, I could offer you this service. But right this day, when I don't find any new postings anywhere, I cannot reach OMF at all.

Now I Sidd and wonder, if those many witnesses killed the server or if the aliens shut it down...

It’s a problem with the providers (conforums) as it’s the same as Casebook and theirs is also down…..

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The server is slow today, but you are not missing anything.

1 spammer claiming to own the copyright to the drone photos, with a link to a porn site...very boring

Well, thank you very much Double_Nought_spy.
I believe that every attempt to create an evolved psy-ops about UFO's as I believe the CARET can be, will be doomed to failure and that is because when someone will get creative and try to present details there cab always be another individual with a better insight somewhere.
We as a society share common resources such ideas or information, it is even easier now with the use of the internet, so every time someone gets smart creating a puzzle, there is the chance that always another guy/gal around the corner who might be even smarter and quickly presents a possible solution.

...and you people here at ATS, you are smart! I give you that!

Sys_Config If we get anything new resembling Farscape I wouldn't worry.
I want some of those unrealized realities unfolding!

I have the feeling that the 2 PI's, although having no connection with any LMHs as they seem, might be a move from someone for primarily to sensationalize (in order to bring more mainstream audience) but also for some more time to be bought, until someone can.. hmm ..produce a more convincing next episode.. of CARET maybe?

I believe we must stay tuned..

P.S. Sys keep pointing out others peoples important things to me if you feel like it, God knows I end up always tired before start reading these threads so I'm not in full awareness often.


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It doesn't look like any thing interesting.

Now a government space ship would be what we are all looking for.

Originally posted by Sys_Config

As much ado is being made of the PI's, and its a wise and welcome move, I think it behooves us to understand also, (and please etch this in our minds right now) that PI's work not for us, PI means Private Investigator, not Public Interest. They are under no obligation legal, moral, or ethical, to release anything whatsoever to us, but to their their employer, who have themselves been under a cloud of suspicion , justified or not, as aiding or abetting this and perhaps other "event(s).

So, if the report finds evidence not only of hoax, but collusion, they can of course take their money drop out and keep their mouths shut, and no one else would be the wiser. As I stated, PI means just that, Private Investigator, not synonomous with Public Interest, and that just the nature of the beast.
That being said, How can we be assured we will have access to the full contents without editing or watering down to leave things in the air.
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I think your contemptous vile has reached a limit here that puts you at risk of character defamation, to me personally and to the whole DRT group. I would appreciate a retraction of the above or at the very least some of your evidence regarding:

"[dRT]who have themselves been under a cloud of suspicion , justified or not, as aiding or abetting this and perhaps other "event(s)"

Sys, you need to have your ego examined, because it knows no limits or bounds, shows no respect or regard for hard work, investment and determination to us and has a paranoid streak that betrays your lack of character and integrity. When you attack our responsible efforts at getting to the truth of this matter, you speak more about your motives than you do ours.

You want me to retract my post requesting an open disclosure to prevent a further cloud of suspicion in this matter. Where has that cloud come from, certainly not myself, I am not a rainmaker, or making your world crash about you, perhaps you should visit the Reality Uncovered forum and read on the Serpo matter, That should keep you busy for a while, as you dont seem to get outside OM much other than to come here and Attack my posts.
Why is that? Are my arguments that powerful or is it just my deoderant? Don't you think the moderators here know what a libelous or defamatory statement is? I would not last here a blithering moment, if that were the case.
Perhaps you should re read UFO watchdog, or perhaps read Greg Bishops interview, about your icon, at the link provided above. I gave my opinion, and I dont have to retract it if the basis of it is based on facts and actual events, ie true.
I believe those sources, certainly more than I believe you. The request to OMRT omf Drt , whatever acronym you choose, as they are agents of and or acting on behalf, OMf, is up to them, they are paying for it right? I certainly welcomed the investigation right? If I had issues with them DRT personally, I certainly would not welcome an investigation by them, right?
So I find your statements innocuous, if not somewhat misguided, therfore.. your non- constructive and obviously self serving request is declined.
It certainly does not help solve Caret.

Now if you have something positive to contribute to expedite the disclosure from the PI for all of us, or a possible cause or resolution, especially any impediments to getting at the the truth of caret as we had just discussed above, such as the TY photos, thats indisputable, please do so .
In the future please refrain from as you did at OM PM me to stop my critiques on LMH as she had been working closely with you and the team with the case.That somehow my criticism was unfounded and would jeopordize you all working closely with her and not to tell anyone.Well its been several months, and nothing from you or the team. So I am not stopping and direct my comments as needed. I hope you dont try that tactic with anyone else . You of all should be the first person knocking hard at her door by now, or is there something else you are not sharing? well, It wont work here.

Good day









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well since you did that, I will repost this


[edit on 1-4-2008 by Sys_Config] to why waste my breath.


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Originally posted by Sys_Config
You want me to retract my post requesting an open disclosure to prevent a further cloud of suspicion in this matter.

You attacked the DRT once again, and gave the impression to people reading your posts that we tied into other events of suspicion. Put up or shut up.

Originally posted by Sys_Config
Where has that cloud come from, certainly not myself, I am not a rainmaker, or making your world crash about you, perhaps you should visit the Reality Uncovered forum and read on the Serpo matter, That should keep you busy for a while, as you don't seem to get outside OM much other than to come here and Attack my posts.

We have no time to read any of the obfuscating material you seem to find relevant or related to this case. We only focus on drone related material, or leads relating to this case. Of which so far you have found none. Who knows you might, so I keep up on what is posted here. But so far you are more interested in attacking others then working sensibly towards resolving this matter.

Originally posted by Sys_Config
Perhaps you should re read UFO watchdog, or perhaps read Greg Bishops interview, about your icon, at the link provided above. I gave my opinion, and I don't have to retract it if the basis of it is based on facts and actual events, ie true.
I believe those sources, certainly more than I believe you.

You are never clear about what you believe. Now you say my Icon is quoted somewhere as being suspicious? Please produce where this comes from, if it is not one of your twisted perceptions.

Originally posted by Sys_Config
The request to OMRT omf Drt , whatever acronym you choose, as they are agents of and or acting on behalf, OMf, is up to them, they are paying for it right? I certainly welcomed the investigation right? If I had issues with them DRT personally, I certainly would not welcome an investigation by them, right?

If this is your form of retraction that the DRT (Drone Research Team) an independent group of researchers, is complicit in supporting and maintaining the mystery of the drones, then so be it. It has been explained to you repeatedly how the DRT was formed before OMRT and we post publicly on OM Forum what we can at this time.

Originally posted by Sys_Config
Now if you have something positive to contribute to expedite the disclosure from the PI for all of us, or a possible cause or resolution, especially any impediments to getting at the truth of caret as we had just discussed above, such as the TY photos, thats indisputable, please do so .

For any and all late breaking news we can publish about the drone mystery, keep checking Open Minds Forum, as stated above.

Originally posted by Sys_Config
In the future please refrain from as you did at OM PM me to stop my critiques on LMH as she had been working closely with you and the team with the case.That somehow my criticism was unfounded and would jeopordize you all working closely with her and not to tell anyone.Well its been several months, and nothing from you or the team. So I am not stopping and direct my comments as needed. I hope you dont try that tactic with anyone else . You of all should be the first person knocking hard at her door by now, or is there something else you are not sharing? well, It wont work here.

All of your PM's to me are archived, would you like me to post them here? It was you that initially contacted me by PM while you were still a member of OM Forum. You were very friendly and I gave you what insight I could about LMH's integrity based on my first hand knowledge and I asked you to tone it down a bit as you were not helping the matter with your continued uninformed attacks. Thankfully you are no longer posting your vile about her on OM Forum.
It is obvious you put little value in keeping confidences. It is obvious you obfuscate, betray confidences and in general do what you accuse others of doing in order to maintain your platform.

Yes I did contact you and I was friendly, because I am friendly, as I wanted to avoid further ugly conflict , especially after the issus of your embarassment at my posts.
Now you claim I have a grudge against a drt, as you know well I have been adressing OMF as far as anything reticence to question LMH, on this matter . and suspicions or theories are not accusations my dear, and stated so above.
If they feel embarassed ,or you are DRT or OMRT thats your problem. I only suggest open disclosure, to avoid that same cloud, pre existing their entry. Just how many teams do you have and just what do you have now? That I have to be concerned with what I say here.I told you where to go for information as my basis. I have no quarrel with whoever the Drt, except the one you are fabricating here.
I put what I have said up and backed it on all my posts.
Read them again.. If you feel defamed use whateever legal recourse you have at your disposal. Yes, put the posts up as I have nothing to Hide Make sure you include your end of the conversations. You just confirmed what I said. I kept my end, its you who hasn't, So I no longer feel bound as it was a ploy to Stop questioning LMH, as you just admitted. So Betrayal is a matter of perspective here. If you were sworn to secrecy to OMRT, then what does that make you..Your confidence I do not need.
Another individual tried that and they are banned, for attempting to undermine ATS, as you want to do to this thread. Your anger must mean your team already is very very close to the truth. As I said before, Good Luck to the PI , and now I say, good work.
And while you waste time here battling a percieved insult, Eleven has answered the same suggestion I made but put to them by another member shad. The release will be immediate. Thank you ElevenAugust, and all the teams for this.
and to you TomiUK , Thank you for your kind words. Goodbye.








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Astounded I am! That with all your "due diligence" into this drone matter.. you still do not know who the members of the DRT are. What their function is as independent researchers, why we joined OMRT and most important, why we publicly post on OM Forum! Perhaps you should ask some of your friends here to clue you in????

You have entitlement issues sys.. you don't even know who the researchers are.. yet you justify your platform to criticise and complain..

Here is a tidbit to maybe satisfy your grandious entitled ego:

www.theblackvault.com...

It tells you everything you should have researched into Carrion before you took yet another uninformed platform against OM Forum.

To be fair Tomi..I like you.

However you have also said to me and posted on the board,

"There is no evidence of a hoax"

You asked me to provide...I did...Tom Hall's galactic language.

Some of the letters are perfect matches.

Nemo has also said, "We are not hoax hunters"...implying there was no need to look for the raj pole in the stephen or chad area.

DRT is not exactly objective....there is no balance.

Does this make you bad guys? No, of course not.

But the comments Sys makes are not off base by any stretch of the imagination.

Your comments, and the rest of the comments of DRT members give us no choice, but to consider a potential, lack of objectivity.

This is how science and good investigation works.



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Originally posted by murnut
To be fair Tomi..I like you.

However you have also said to me and posted on the board,

"There is no evidence of a hoax"

You asked me to provide...I did...Tom Hall's galactic language.

Some of the letters are perfect matches.

Nemo has also said, "We are not hoax hunters"...implying there was no need to look for the raj pole in the stephen or chad area.

DRT is not exactly objective....there is no balance.

Does this make you bad guys? No, of course not.

But the comments Sys makes are not off base by any stretch of the imagination.

Your comments, and the rest of the comments of DRT members give us no choice, but to consider a potential, lack of objectivity.

This is how science and good investigation works.



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Mur, I'm not going to play games here, but if you want to report it right..
Why don't you copy the post from Shads and 11th's response back to Shads on OM Forum over here instead of perpetuating a baseless assumption.

Why don't you maintain consistency between forums? You are distilling from baseless asumption that we would not release evidence of any hoax regarding this drone business.

The fact remains, we look at everything, every detail.. We have no evidence of a hoax yet, but if we did, it would sure come out asap and that would be a fascinating, albeit disappointing, story to tell as well.
You think we wouldn't tell it?? Why after all this work to uncover the truth, do you think we would do anything else but try to solve it?

How many times do we have to say to you, if it is a hoax we will tell you, if it is real we will tell you? Well that's the truth. There is more evidence this is real right now.. if we get evidence it is a hoax, that negates the other evidence, it make for even more of an interesting story.. why would we hide it ???

I hope the long winded explaination above is the last time any of us have to make our manifesto clear. We are after the truth, no matter where it leads or to what conclusion. I can't be clearer than that.. take it or leave it.



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Yes it confirms that Carrion is qualified to hold the position, That mufon is an excellent organization in transition, and they want to bring ufology into the mainstream consciousness. and I look at their and nuforc databases all the time.I am also aware of the ghosthunters battle between networks, based and his own involvement , making him a shrewd adversary for pro gov types. info I researched and posted on UFO-Blog, and the kind treatment he recieved at OMF. Is their something I missed? Did I say I did not believe in UFO, in fact I have repeated it several times .I do I have seen them. Does that make me unobjective, no. I don't think carrion is the issue, unless profit is, then everyone is profiting, and that means competion, and rivalry, it seems. I never said anyone across the board, walked on water. but LMH is of interest as she holds evidence, not theories, at the moment and the big WHY withhold ,. Has she shared the pictures with you or anyother members of any of these teams, since I am such a lousy researcher, and cdont know whio the members are, and you are the only one who has been at all times the go between. Show us the OMRT findings in PDF, to make an uptake as well. and its not to mock either,
Its not their skills at issue, particularly skills I lack, just the closed doors approach that many took issue with, and of not to mention the thrashing and stonewalling for simple yes and no questions.
I have said what I said to prevent that possibly in this latest query, and would do it no differently in the future, given the same set of circumstances.
This event is not the graduation prom for me, its another just a bad date.,
and studying how it went bad, because LMH gave me too small size tuxedo, with no cuff links, and knew it when she did. If she is helping the PI with her own complete open disclosure ,it would be good to know, as then I would cease the questioning and give her a resounding thank you. I think everyone would when she does so.








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Well Sherlock, it looks like you missed his resume, especially the part where he is working for the NSA in intelligence gathering...
but tell me more about your tuxedo..??? that's interesting.

Originally posted by Sys_Config
since I am such a lousy researcher, and cdont know whio the members are, and you are the only one who has been at all times the go between. Show us the OMRT findings in PDF, to make an uptake as well. and its not to mock either,
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Do I have to hand you all the clues?? The DRT .. that means.. Drone Research Team.. consists of 5 early people and two members since. One is a witness, btw. We organised ourselves in September last year to study this drone business. We have been working very hard ever since, to the point of almost a full second job for each of us. We hired private detectives. We got invited to join OMRT, we accepted. We work independently from OMRT, but within their good guidelines of conduct, and we post what we find publicly on OM Forum, what we don't post publicly on OM Forum is work still in progress and it is not posted anywhere else, even in the OMRT part of the forum.

Now that I've given you this much help.. maybe you can guess who we are.. you know each of us very well. Except for one that you claim doesn't exist.




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Have you ever heard the expression "The Foxes guarding the Hen house"

Yes...I am unconvinced you are objective, as well as others.

When excuses are offered as explanantions of inconsistantcies, it concerns me.

When you say the only evidence you see, is about this being real, I question your objectivity.

You can can say you and DRT are objective all you want, but your words and your reactions to questions, have demonstrated otherwise.

Nemo and yourself have said, you are not trying to prove a hoax.

Is that objective?

Did you misspeak?

Try to be clearer.

Are there ANY inconsistantcies to date in your investigation?

ANY?


I found this interesting

Hoaxes

You are a master at trying to bait me for answers Mur, but as I have told you before, the evidence points more to the material we are investigating being real than not. If there were any confirmed smoking guns we would post it immediately on OM forum for the sake of peer review. Likewise, the evidence pointing to this being real is still work in progress, and further research depends on current confidenciality. All current investigations into areas concerning CARET, point towards real. Nothing more can be said at this time.

Originally posted by tomiuk
Well Sherlock, it looks like you missed his resume, especially the part where he is working for the NSA in intelligence gathering...
but tell me more about your tuxedo..??? that's interesting.

Thats like saying all those ex government officials , the ones we are begging to come out in fact, and out of the closet on UFO are unreliable because they once worked for the government ergo it must be disinfo. Thats unbelievable. His resume was an open fact, seeing how he beat out hiastory and Scifi attys, he did darn good protecting Ufology thru mufon, as those others put on a show, moreso than a genuine interest than the facts and our interest. It was known to the board who hired him from the Git-Go Its precisely that kind of experience thats needed, and gives us credibility and the edge we need to discern this crap being thrown at us. And even he hinted drone and others are possible ops.
This is a reverse guilt by association prejudice that needs to halt or we are doomed as a community.
That tidbit I missed and you pointed out , is just reinforcemnt to his being pre eminently qualified for the job, not suspect for the job.



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Yes...I am the master baiter as you say.

By all means, continue the investigation, I do not say stop.

I say be objective.

Whatever proof comes out will be peer reveiwed....objectivity will be questioned.

You should welcome the calls for objectivity, not dismiss them as beneath you.

That is not objective.

I point this out, because I do like you and respect what you and DRT have done.

You just show a lack of respect for anyone that disagrees with you...including the head of the largest UFO organization in the States.

So do what you need to do, I wish you Godspeed.

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Yes....that guilt by association condemns Isaac as well.

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False locations Reversed images The unfindable telephone pole are all things that point to hoax tomi. Real events dont need make believe facts!! Real facts equal real proof.....false leads and anon witnesses all point to the illegitimacy of the drones!