[HOAX] Isaac CARET - Drones [HOAX]

Can't we email the seller (I thought it was Cafepress, but it could now be multiple sites selling these things, it was WAAAY back in the #60s I think in this thread) and say we want to discuss umm, licencing or something or a deal and get their contact details?

Its not against anything to want to talk to the original owner of the items, and the online seller would have an email attached to the account and undoutedly a bank account or Paypal or something for the money to go to. If we could find the email and name, maybe we can find out who's doing it.

SPRRIIINNNGEEERRRR!

Originally posted by Implosion
I wonder if these are the people behind the whole thing. Exposure for a site, and a few quick bucks from all the people who identify with the whole drone meme.

OK, it has been bought up. I haven't followed this story for a while, and I just stumbled over the sale site. Sorry for the redundant post.

[edit on 1/8/07 by Implosion]

And what's worse is that they are not only printing the diagram on the shirt, they are printing below it "www.0penmindsforum.com". It's a total disgrace.

Originally posted by shadow fax
Another weird thing about isaacs drawings/copies; the 'writing'. Noone has asked this simple question: Why would aliens write? Lets say aliens do roam the universe, and they sprouted from something else than we did and they didn't evolve into monkeys and finally a heap of barbaric morons like we are (because, how likely would THAT be..not only another living species, but also pretty much exact duplicates, albeit assumed to be a lot smarter) then why does everyone assume theyve started writing eachother messages? Writing is very primitive really, very basic. Above all, our languages are so inefficient, that back in the day that the first programmers were writing code they all decided to make up some more efficient languages.

If your species communicates solely through talking or telepathy, how are you going to have any way of leaving your legacy behind if your species dies out? It only makes logical sense to me that every species would have some form of written language. But as Isaac said many times, this writing is not a language. It is a programming code.

Originally posted by pjslug

Originally posted by shadow fax
Another weird thing about isaacs drawings/copies; the 'writing'. Noone has asked this simple question: Why would aliens write? Lets say aliens do roam the universe, and they sprouted from something else than we did and they didn't evolve into monkeys and finally a heap of barbaric morons like we are (because, how likely would THAT be..not only another living species, but also pretty much exact duplicates, albeit assumed to be a lot smarter) then why does everyone assume theyve started writing eachother messages? Writing is very primitive really, very basic. Above all, our languages are so inefficient, that back in the day that the first programmers were writing code they all decided to make up some more efficient languages.

If your species communicates solely through talking or telepathy, how are you going to have any way of leaving your legacy behind if your species dies out? It only makes logical sense to me that every species would have some form of written language. But as Isaac said many times, this writing is not a language. It is a programming code.

You now explain the very problem that is at the core of this 'ET' business in that we can only suggest/imagine their means of communications within the realm of option that WE have explored and thought of. Frankly, IF anything exists i don't know how they communicate, i'm merely suggesting that writing would be out of the context of their highly evolved status that we've given them. Just like the slight oversight that eventhough we're all convinced that we're being visited and then draw these pictures of small humans with exaggerated features and then completely forget that any other lifeform would have extremely big problems surviving on earth for ANY length of time.

To answer your question: pyramids of Giza which were intended to leave a mark, were not (initially) littered with any writing etc. Archeology as a whole will show you a immense amount of work being done with the sole purpose of leaving a mark without any form of written communication. (in the example of them pyramids, wouldn't you think that if they were writing notes, that they'd at least make a few drawings and building plans or a mission statement..? but no, the pyramids are still a mystery. lots of theory, no definitive & proven answers)

If aliens have advanced tech, then if it were me, and my species were capable of direct though transfer, I'd make a machine that beamed thoughts, ideas, sounds, smells, etc DIRECT rather than leave a language, because regardless of how good it is, a photo is always better than a descriptive sentence, so actually holographically, or physically (as in, in your mind not phys, phys) will always be the best way.

It'd make sense to me that if they can link brains, they'd have made machines that can do it too and that they can share knowledge etc directly without having to write it down.

To Elliott et al, thanks for intelligently picking up on exactly what I wanted to inject into the investigation. I now humbly withdraw my Python repartee.

Another question I have: I wonder if Stanton Friedman and/or other qualified/reliable/trustworthy UFO researchers have publicly or privately commented on DRONE/CARET/ISAAC? Also wonder what the UK thinks (Elliot?). The does the French UFO website have anything similar we could analyze? (I speak Spanish, not French).

Originally posted by ejsaunders
(I thought it was Cafepress, but it could now be multiple sites selling these things, it was WAAAY back in the #60s I think in this thread)

They were either remarkably quick at getting the merchandise out or - or what exactly !

Originally posted by ejsaunders
If aliens have advanced tech, then if it were me, and my species were capable of direct though transfer, I'd make a machine that beamed thoughts, ideas, sounds, smells, etc DIRECT rather than leave a language, because regardless of how good it is, a photo is always better than a descriptive sentence, so actually holographically, or physically (as in, in your mind not phys, phys) will always be the best way.

It'd make sense to me that if they can link brains, they'd have made machines that can do it too and that they can share knowledge etc directly without having to write it down.

But holographic capabilities are exactly what Isaac said the drones have.

Keep in mind, a drone is a small artifact. If one person found one buried in the sands of Egypt, he could keep it to himself and not have to share it's potential knowledge with anyone. But placing hieroglyphs on large monuments is the best way to ensure that many people will see it over time. The pyramids are a lasting testament to the empire that was Egypt.

By linking a brain, how would that "direct image" knowledge get passed from generation to generation of man? I just received a book in the mail that I ordered, The Twelfth Planet by Zechariah Sitchin. He says that the interpretations of the Old Testament and Sumerian, Babylonian, Assyrian texts, etc. have been modified to incorporate a "human" perspective outside the realm of anything extraterrestrial. But when those ancient texts are translated literally, you find whole other avenues to explore. It is thought to be fact, if you translate them literally, that beings did traverse from earth to heaven and that Adam and Eve in God's image were a likeness that were genetically engineered by another intelligent species.

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Originally posted by klatunictobarata
Another question I have: I wonder if Stanton Friedman and/or other qualified/reliable/trustworthy UFO researchers have publicly or privately commented on DRONE/CARET/ISAAC? Also wonder what the UK thinks (Elliot?). The does the French UFO website have anything similar we could analyze? (I speak Spanish, not French).

How funny you should say this. Guess who's on C2C tonight?

Wed 08.01 >>
Stanton Friedman & Michael Shermer will be debating SETI, UFOs, ET’s and religion, making contact, myth-making and aliens, space travel, and abduction cases.

The first hour is writer James Chiles commenting about the Minneapolis bridge, but you should tune in. I am still thoroughly pissed at George and LMH for that whole charade they pulled last week, but I will still tune in to listen to Stanton tonight. But for heaven's sake, why did they have to bring Shermer on? I hate that guy. He's a skeptic (or I should say thorough disbeliever) and an annoying, arrogant S.O.B. He was arguing with everyone including Stanton on Larry King Live and didn't let anyone hardly have a chance to speak.

[edit on 8/1/2007 by pjslug]

Originally posted by shadow fax
You now explain the very problem that is at the core of this 'ET' business in that we can only suggest/imagine their means of communications within the realm of option that WE have explored and thought of. Frankly, IF anything exists i don't know how they communicate, i'm merely suggesting that writing would be out of the context of their highly evolved status that we've given them.

Just like the slight oversight that eventhough we're all convinced that we're being visited and then draw these pictures of small humans with exaggerated features and then completely forget that any other lifeform would have extremely big problems surviving on earth for ANY length of time.

"imagine their means of communications within the realm of option that WE have explored and thought of"

As it is a hoax (until someone refutes the Rajman pic issues) then that would be a rule anyway.

Interesting hypothetical discussion as long as we recognise probably no longer related to the CARET documentation.

With the survival on earth then as humans have found a way to survive for long periods on other planets within our current technological bounds you would expect an ET civilisation to have that capability and more.

If it is not beyond the realms of possibility that in 100 years we could genetically develop a human form that could survive on another planet indefinitely then it wouldn't be beyond the capability of a civilisation that by their very appearance had already mastered inter-stellar or inter-dimension travel.

Originally posted by pjslug

But holographic capabilities are exactly what Isaac said the drones have.

Keep in mind, a drone is a small artifact. If one person found one buried in the sands of Egypt, he could keep it to himself and not have to share it's potential knowledge with anyone. But placing hieroglyphs on large monuments is the best way to ensure that many people will see it over time. The pyramids are a lasting testament to the empire that was Egypt.


[edit on 8/1/2007 by pjslug]

hieroglyphs were not part of the Egyptian buildings and works until very late in the game. Most of their works were (thats why i said initially) not engulfed with writings and pictures. Great sphinx for instance as one of the oldest pieces.. no hiero's nothing.

Im done arguing though. Like i said, im not trying to convince you of anything. I just think that ol' isaac is full of it.

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[edit on 8-2-2007 by Springer]

Originally posted by shadow fax
hieroglyphs were not part of the Egyptian buildings and works until very late in the game. Most of their works were (thats why i said initially) not engulfed with writings and pictures. Great sphinx for instance as one of the oldest pieces.. no hiero's nothing.

Im done arguing though. Like i said, im not trying to convince you of anything. I just think that ol' isaac is full of sh*t.

Ok, then forget the pyramids. How about their tombs? How about any other ancient civilization that has writing on their monuments? No one is arguing with you. This is a forum where we debate and seek answers to questions using logic, common sense, and rational conversation.

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Originally posted by chunder
They were either remarkably quick at getting the merchandise out or - or what exactly !

I could be very wrong, the thread grew almost overnight at one point and I might have remembered a post at around #60 and interjected it with the Cafepress part, so it might really be 100-140, but I was sure it was fairly early on, I shall check...

Originally posted by pjslug
But holographic capabilities are exactly what Isaac said the drones have.

Yup, dat's what I was thinkerin' partner

EDIT: Arrgh pressed enter too soon.


No, what I was originally going to add was, what if this device can beam directly to more than one mind at a time? What if it subtly interfaces, while you sleep and anyone in the area gets its legacy? What if it does a whole Close Encounters thing and makes people actually want to go to it before it does it - this is alien, how do we know what it does to a human mind?

[edit on 2-8-2007 by ejsaunders]

Originally posted by pjslug
Ok, then forget the pyramids. How about their tombs? How about any other ancient civilization that has writing on their monuments? No one is arguing with you. This is a forum where we debate and seek answers to questions using logic, common sense, and rational conversation.

You are missing the point. The point is, with for instance the Egyptians and the Mayans, that the mark they left was a building etc, any writing was added at a later point because they were probably worried that their God didn't understand what they were meaning to do. They didnt leave that mark just so you and i could admire it, they left it/built it for their Gods if anything. These people weren't stupid, in some ways they were even a lot smarter and resourceful than us.

Like i said, there's no need to argue this point, or prove that my hypothesis holds any more water than yours because we can't.

The best proof of Isaac's revealing of secret documents being a testament to his creativity (rather than actual gov secret documents) is the fact that they're still online. If they were real and the US Gov really didn't want the general public to see them then wouldn't you say they'd have intervened within minutes of them being uploaded to the web? Add to that the bad CGI of the picture(s) OR the incorrect details about the circumstances of the picture being taken, the extremely suspicious use of the word 'albeit' (twice, no less!!) and the fact that Isaac chose a target audience that is most likely to believe him. For a Gov that is extremely settled in its ways and inflexible in diverting from those ways (Isaac mentioned this a few times i think) it is quite surprising that the CARET report has no classification mentioned on them (though that is protocol) but they did in fact have blacked out portions so as to keep certain info from being read by someone without the proper clearance.. This, to me, spells: creative joke (or HOAX as people like to call it), one that was nearly perfect if the 'hoaxer' would have quit his day-job and put a little more time in it.

cheers
Jay

Originally posted by shadow fax
The best proof of Isaac's revealing of secret documents being a testament to his creativity (rather than actual gov secret documents) is the fact that they're still online. If they were real and the US Gov really didn't want the general public to see them then wouldn't you say they'd have intervened within minutes of them being uploaded to the web? Add to that the bad CGI of the picture(s) OR the incorrect details about the circumstances of the picture being taken, the extremely suspicious use of the word 'albeit' (twice, no less!!) and the fact that Isaac chose a target audience that is most likely to believe him. For a Gov that is extremely settled in its ways and inflexible in diverting from those ways (Isaac mentioned this a few times i think) it is quite surprising that the CARET report has no classification mentioned on them (though that is protocol) but they did in fact have blacked out portions so as to keep certain info from being read by someone without the proper clearance.. This, to me, spells: creative joke (or HOAX as people like to call it), one that was nearly perfect if the 'hoaxer' would have quit his day-job and put a little more time in it.

cheers
Jay

Well, I'm certainly not going to repost my thoughts on the drones, as I'm sure you know how I feel about them by now (as my opinion has changed somewhat as of late). But I think you guys are making a huge deal out of nothing with regards to the word "albeit."

RE: 'albeit': i was being sarcastic, if that wasn't clear.

[edit on 2-8-2007 by shadow fax]

New drone picture on C2C:

Looks like a mechanical dragonfly.

Just taking a picture of the F-14 Tomcat while driving thru Pensacola, Fl. on 7-25-2007. Then when I got home, we downloaded the pictures. Then as we were looking at the pictures, I noticed what looks like a dragonfly. But when veiwed full size, (actually looks pretty clear), you can see it looks man-made. I mean, look at the body, it looks mechanical. It is located on the right side half way down by the trees. Never saw or heard anything while I was there. What a trip, huh!

--Frank F.

If you want to see the full tomcat pic, here it is:

C2C page

Originally posted by shadow fax

1. The best proof of Isaac's revealing of secret documents being a testament to his creativity (rather than actual gov secret documents) is the fact that they're still online. If they were real and the US Gov really didn't want the general public to see them then wouldn't you say they'd have intervened within minutes of them being uploaded to the web?

2. Add to that the bad CGI of the picture(s) OR the incorrect details about the circumstances of the picture being taken, the extremely suspicious use of the word 'albeit' (twice, no less!!) and the fact that Isaac chose a target audience that is most likely to believe him.

3. For a Gov that is extremely settled in its ways and inflexible in diverting from those ways (Isaac mentioned this a few times i think) it is quite surprising that the CARET report has no classification mentioned on them (though that is protocol) but they did in fact have blacked out portions so as to keep certain info from being read by someone without the proper clearance.. This, to me, spells: creative joke (or HOAX as people like to call it), one that was nearly perfect if the 'hoaxer' would have quit his day-job and put a little more time in it.

cheers
Jay

Hi,

1. I disagree they would be taken down in minutes, if at all, even if real. The same documents were sent to C2C and the website could have been set up by someone other than Isaac anyway.

2. What incorrect details about circumstances ? What bad CGI - so bad it took so long to persuade reasonable laymen ?

3. How do you know what the protocol was for the CARET programme for documentation ?


There are reasons that point to a creative joke - the rajman pic discrepancies as evaluated by SKF (sorry to sound like a broken record) - but those above would not, should not and have not been sufficient to convince a lot of people.


[edit on 2-8-2007 by chunder]

C2C page

The glints from the sun are in the wrong place.

A couple of the people in the picture look a bit out of place also as if they are CGI, it looks like their clothing is all the same colour.

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