9/11 Bombshell:WTC7 Security Official Details, Says bombs were going off in 7 before either tower co

The Alex Jones show welcomed Loose Change creators Dylan Avery and Jason Burmas to discuss an exclusive interview they have conducted with an individual with high level security clearance who was inside the Office of Emergency Management in World Trade Center 7 and has descibed and detailed explosions inside the building prior to the collapse of any of the buildings at ground zero on 9/11.

While details remain scant for obvious reasons, we can reveal that the individual concerned was asked to report to building seven with a city official after the first attack on the North tower but before the second plane hit the South Tower and before their eventual collapse, in order to provide the official with access to different floors of the building.

The city official he was escorting was attempting to reach Rudy Guiliani, who he had determined was inside building 7 at that time. According to Avery and Burmas this official now works for Guiliani partners.

The individual was also asked to provide access to the Office Of Emergency Management on the 23rd floor of the building, this was the so called "bunker" that was built inside WTC7 on the orders of Rudy Guiliani.

When he got there he found the office evacuated and after making some calls was told to leave immediately.

It was at this point that he witnessed a bomb going off inside the building:

"We subsequently went to the stairwell and were going down the stairs, when we reached the sixth floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way, there was an explosion and the landing gave way. I was left there hanging, I had to climb back up and now had to walk back up to the eighth floor. After getting to the eighth floor everything was dark."

The individual in a second clip detailed hearing further explosions and then described what he saw when he got down to the lobby:

"It was totally destroyed, it looked like King Kong had been through it and stepped on it and it was so destroyed i didn't know where I was. It was so destroyed that had to take me out through a hole in the wall, a makeshift hole I believe the fire department made to get me out."

He was then told by firefighters to get twenty blocks away from the area because explosions were going off all over the World Trade Center complex.

The key to this information is that the individual testifies this all happened BEFORE either tower collapsed, thus building 7 was at that point completely undamaged from any falling debris or resulting fires. It also means that explosions were witnessed in WTC7 up to eight hours before its collapse at around 5.30pm.

Avery and Burmas, described how the individual had witnessed dead bodies in the lobby of 7 and was told by the police not to look at them.

This is vital information be cause it is in direct conflict with the official claim that no one was killed inside building 7. The 9/11 Commission report did not even mention building, yet here we have a key witness who told them he saw dead people inside the building after explosions had gutted the lower level.

What makes all this information even more explosive is the fact that this individual was interviewed by the 9/11 Commission as they conducted their so called investigation.

The fact that the building was not even mentioned in the report in light of this information thus becomes chilling and indicates that officials have lied in stating that they have not come into contact with evidence of explosive devices within the buildings.

Avery says that he can and will prove beyond any shadow of doubt that the individual was in building 7 on 9/11 and that what he is saying is accurate.

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Boy, I cant wait for the interview in the Final Cut. Debunker's will just hate the part where it says explosions going off in building7 before either Towers collapsed.

I hope this is the begining of an avalanche of people close to the action on that day, who finally come forward with the truth. There have to be many cops, firemen, military people and news reporters who have fitted themselves with jawclamps since that day. The truth community has to keep up the pressure and be very visible to demonstrate solidarity and support to people who know what happened but do not feel safe coming forward with the facts.

Whether you like them or hate them personally, whether you endorse them or impugn their motives, I think we have to stay the course and back up the efforts of people like the Loose Change guys, Alex Jones and others, who many regard as self seeking show boaters. America loves a show. Maybe these colourful personalities can coax the timid 911 eyewitnesses onstage.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
I hope this is the begining of an avalanche of people close to the action on that day, who finally come forward with the truth. There have to be many cops, firemen, military people and news reporters who have fitted themselves with jawclamps since that day. The truth community has to keep up the pressure and be very visible to demonstrate solidarity and support to people who know what happened but do not feel safe coming forward with the facts.

Whether you like them or hate them personally, whether you endorse them or impugn their motives, I think we have to stay the course and back up the efforts of people like the Loose Change guys, Alex Jones and others, who many regard as self seeking show boaters. America loves a show. Maybe these colourful personalities can coax the timid 911 eyewitnesses onstage.

The oral histories released on August 12, 2005 contain many recollections of the sights and sounds of explosions occuring before and during the South towers's collapse, which was the first tower to collapse. Below is the list, which is actually bigger to download. Debunkers want evidence, yet when they get it they cant accept it.......

Rich Banaciski -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.
Interview, 12/06/01, New York Times

Brian Becker -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 28]
So I think that the building was really kind of starting to melt. We were -- like, the melt down was beginning. The collapse hadn't begun, but it was not a fire any more up there. It was like -- it was like that -- like smoke explosion on a tremendous scale going on up there.
Interview, 10/09/01, New York Times

Greg Brady -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) [Battalion 6]
We were standing underneath and Captain Stone was speaking again. We heard -- I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up and the north tower is coming down now, 1 World Trade Center.

We were standing in a circle in the middle of West Street. They were talking about what was going on. At that time, when I heard the 3 loud explosions, I started running west on Vesey Street towards the water. At that time, I couldn't run fast enough. The debris caught up with me, knocked my helmet off.
Interview, , New York Times

Timothy Burke -- Firefigter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 202]
Then the building popped, lower than the fire, which I learned was I guess, the aviation fuel fell into the pit, and whatever floor it fell on heated up really bad and that's why it popped at that floor. That's the rumor I heard. But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped. I thought it was an explosion.
Interview, 01/22/02, New York Times

Ed Cachia -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 53]
It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down. With that everybody was just stunned for a second or two, looking at the tower coming down.
Interview, 12/06/05, New York Times

Frank Campagna -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 11]
There was nobody in the intersection, nobody in the streets in general, everyone just saying come on, keeping coming, keep coming. That's when [the North Tower] went. I looked back. You see three explosions and then the whole thing coming down. I turned my head and everybody was scattering. From there I don't know who was who. I don't even know where my guys went. None of us knew where each other were at at that point in time.
Interview, 12/04/01, New York Times

Continued.......

Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 8]
I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.

You did hear the explosions [when the North Tower came down]. Of course after the first one -- the first one was pretty much looking at in like in awe. You didn't realize that this was really happening because you kind of just stood there and you didn't react as fast as you thought you were going to. The second one coming down, you knew the explosions. Now you're very familiar with it.
Interview, 01/25/02, New York Times

Jason Charles -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
I grabbed her and the Lieutenant picked her up by the legs and we start walking over slowly to the curb, and then I heard an explosion from up, from up above, and I froze and I was like, oh, s***, I'm dead because I thought the debris was going to hit me in the head and that was it.
Then everybody stops and looks at the building and they they take off. The Lieutenant dropped her legs and ran. The triage center, everybody who was sitting there hurt and, oh, you know, help me, they got up and and everybody together got up and ran. I looked at them like why are they running? I look over my shoulder and I says, oh, s***, and then I turned around and looked up and that's when I saw the tower coming down.

North Tower:
We start walking back there and then I heard a ground level explosion and I'm like holy s___, and then you heard that twisting metal wreckage again. Then I said s___ and everybody started running and I started running behind them, and we get to the door.
Interview, 01/23/02, New York Times

Frank Cruthers -- Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Citywide Tour Commander]
And while I was still in that immediate area, the south tower, 2 World Trade Center, there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.
Interview, 10/31/01, New York Times

James Curran -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
A guy started scremaing to run. When I got underneath the north bridge I looked back and you heard it, I heard like every floor went chu-chu-chu. Looked back and from the pressure everything was getting blown out of the floors before it actually collapsed.
Interview, 12/30/01, New York Times

Kevin Darnowski -- Paramedic (E.M.S.)
I started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down.
Interview, 11/09/01, New York Times

Dominick Derubbio -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Division 8]
After a while we were looking up at the tower, and all of a sudden someone said it's starting to come down.

This would be the first one.

This one here. It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other. rolleyes.gif
Interview, 10/12/01, New York Times

Karin Deshore -- Captain (E.M.S.)
Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building.
Interview, 11/07/01, New York Times

Continued....

Brian Dixon -- Battalion Chief (F.D.N.Y.)
I was watching the fire, watching the people jump and hearing a noise and looking up and seeing -- it actually looked -- the lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see -- I could see two sides of it and the other side -- it just looked like that floor blew out. I looked up and you could actually see everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out. Then I guess in some sense of time we looked at it and realized, no, actually it just collapsed. That's what blew out the windows, not that there was an explosion there but that windows blew out. The realization hit that it's going to fall down, the top's coming off. I was still thinking -- there was never a thought that this whole thing is coming down. I thought that that blew out and stuff is starting to fly down. The top is going to topple off there.
Interview, 10/25/01, New York Times

Michael Donovan -- Captain (F.D.N.Y.)
Anyway, with that I was listening, and there was an incredibly loud rumbling. I never got to look up. People started running for the entrances to the parking garages. They started running for the entrances. I started running without ever looking up. The roar became tremendous. I fell on the way to the parking garages. Debris was starting to fall all around me. I got up, I got into the parking garages, was knocked down by the percussion. I thought there had been an explosion or a bomb that they had blown up there. The Vista International Hotel was my first impression, that they had blown it up. I never got to see the World Trade Center coming down.
Interview, 11/09/01, New York Times

James Drury -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)
We were in the process of getting some rigs moved when I turned, as I heard a tremendous roar, explosion, and saw that the first of the two towers was starting to come down.
When the dust started to settle, I headed back down towards the World Trade Center and I guess I came close to arriving at the corner of Vesey and West again where we started to hear the second roar. That was the north tower now coming down. I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building. Obviously we were later proved wrong.
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The sight of the jumpers was horrible and the turning around and seeing that first tower come down was unbelieveable. The sound it made. As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall. That's about it. Any questions?
Interview, 10/16/01, New York Times

Thomas Fitzpatrick -- Deputy Commissioner for Administration (F.D.N.Y.)
We looked up at the building straight up, we were that close. All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up. Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing it, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something. Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV. I would have to say for three or four seconds anyway, maybe longer. I was just watching. It was interesting to watch, but the thing that woke everybody up was the cloud of black material. It reminded me of the 10 commandments when the green clouds come down on the street. The black cloud was coming down faster than the building, so whatever was coming down was going to hit the street and it was pretty far out. You knew it wasn't coming right down. Judging from where people were jumping before that, this cloud was much further.
Interview, 10/16/01, New York Times

Continued....

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Gary Gates -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
I looked up, and the building exploded, the building that we were very close to, which was one tower. The whole top came off like a volcano.
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So now both towers have been hit by a plane. The north tower was burning. So the explosion, what I realized later, had to be the start of the collapse. It was the way the building appeared to blowout from both sides. I'm looking at the face of it, and all we see is the two sides of the building just blowing out and coming apart like this, as I said, like the top of a volcano.
Interview, 10/12/01, New York Times

Kevin Gorman -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
North Tower:
John Malley, who was right behind me, I turned around for him, because he was doing something, either putting his coat on or something, and as I was looking at him I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw like three floors explode, saw the antenna coming down, and turned around and ran north.
Interview, 01/09/02, New York Times

Stephen Gregory -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)
We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
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[It was at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw.

He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them too.

I know about the explosions on the upper floors. This was like at eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes.
Interview, 10/03/01, New York Times

Gregg Hansson -- Lieutenant (F.D.N.Y.)
That's basically where we were. Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off. I was, I believe, ahead of the rest of the firefighters and officers there. I made it to the corner, and I took about four running steps this way when you could feel the rush of the wind coming at you. I believed that that was a huge fireball coming at the time.
Interview, 10/09/01, New York Times

Timothy Julian -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 118]
We came out from 90 West, made a left, headed east, and right when we got to the corner of Washington and Albany, that's when I heard the building collapse.
First I thought it was an explosion. I thought maybe there was bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you know secondary device.
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You know, and I just heard like an explosion and then cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down.
Interview, 12/26/01, New York Times

Art Lakiotes -- Chief (F.D.N.Y.) [Safety Command]
Tower one now comes down. Same thing but this time some of us take off straight down West Street, because we realized later on, subconsciously we wanted to be near buildings. We all thought it was secondary explosives or more planes or whatever.
Interview, 12/03/01, New York Times

Continued....

John Malley -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 22]
We were walking into darkness. As we walked through those revolving doors, that's when we felt the rumble. I felt the rumbling, and then I felt the force coming at me. I was like, what the hell is that? In my mind it was a bomb going off. The pressure got so great, I stepped back behind the columns separating the revolving doors. Then the force just blew past me. It blew past me it seemed for a long time. In my mind I was saying what the hell is this and when is it going to stop? Then it finally stopped, that pressure which I thought was a concussion of an explosion. It turns out it was the down pressure wind of the floors collapsing on top of each other. At that point everything went black, and then the collapse came. It just rained on top of us. Everything came. It rained debris forever.
Interview, 12/12/01, New York Times

Julio Marrero -- E.M.T. (F.D.N.Y.)
I was screaming from the top of my lungs, and I must have been about ten feet away from her and she couldn't even hear me, because the building was so loud, the explosion, that she couldn't even hear me. I just saw everybody running; and she saw us running, and she took off behind us.
Interview, 10/25/01, New York Times

Orlando Martinez -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
There was an explosion and after we started running, I was able to make it to Chambers and West, where I only saw one EMT, EMT Vega. She is new here. She was the only EMT I saw from the station and with all the cops and everybody else running, rescue workers. I grabbed her and I said just stay with me. We will try to get out of here.
Interview, 11/01/01, New York Times

Linda McCarthy -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
So when that one went down. I thought the plane was exploding, or another plane hit. I had no idea it was coming down. But I couldn't see it gone, because I couldn't see it really in the first place with all the smoke.
Interview, 11/28/01, New York Times

James McKinley -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
After that I heard this huge explosion, I thought it was a boiler exploding or something. Next thing you know this huge cloud of smoke is coming at us, so we're running. Everyone is, firemen, PD, everyone is running away from the World Trade Center, up Vessey Street. This is North End, we was running around Vessey and around North end to get away from the first smoke.
Interview, 10/12/01, New York Times

Joseph Meola -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 91]
As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out.
Interview, 12/11/01, New York Times

Keith Murphy -- (F.D.N.Y.)
I was standing kind of on the edge of where our elevator bank met the big elevator bank. That was when the - I determined that's when the north tower collapses. We are standing there and the first thing that happened, which I still think is strange to me, the lights went out. Completely pitch black. Since we are in that core little area of the building, there is no natural light. No nothing, I didn't see a thing.
I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard a distant boom boom boom, sounded like three explosions. I don't know what it was. At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out. I hear someone say oh, s___, that was just for the lights out. I would say about 3, 4 seconds, all of a sudden this tremendous roar. It sounded like being in a tunnel with the train coming at you.
Interview, 12/05/01, New York Times

Continued....

I guess the issue here is really control of the media. Alex Jones depends almost entirely on the mainstream media for his content. The truth is being reported piecemeal, but there is no round-up and wrap-up that builds public momentum for political or judicial action.

The mere fact that there have been almost no indictments on 911 related incidents boggles my mind. Even General Ahmad of the ISI, who wired Atta the $100,000 should be indictable within the framework of the "official" version of 911, but no indictment and no call for an indictment from the press. They know full well that the first time a substantial perp gets into court the whole ball of yarn(s) is going to unravel. If you like justice, the situation is almost unbearable.

Kevin Murray -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 18]
When the tower started -- there was a big explosion that I heard and someone screamed that it was coming down and I looked away and I saw all the windows domino -- you know, dominoeing up and then come down. We were right in front of 6, so we started running and how are you going to outrun the World Trade Center? So we threw our tools and I dove under a rig.
Interview, 10/09/01, New York Times

Janice Olszewski -- Captain (E.M.S.)
I thought more could be happening down there. I didn't know if it was an explosion. I didn't know it was a collapse at that point. I thought it was an explosion or a secondary device, a bomb, the jet -- plane exploding, whatever.
Interview, 11/07/01, New York Times

Juan Rios -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
I was in the back waiting, you know, so we could wait for patients and I was hooking up the regulator to the O-2, when I hear people screaming and a loud explosion, and I heard like "sssssssss..." the dust like "sssssssss..." So I come out of the bus, and I look and I see a big cloud of dust and debris coming from the glass...
Interview, 10/10/01, New York Times

Michael Ober -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.)
Then we heard a rumble, some twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and to be totally honest, at first, I don't know exactly -- but it looked to me just like an explosion. It didn't look like the building was coming down, it looked like just one floor had blown completely outside of it. I was sitting there looking at it. I just never thought they would ever come down, so I didn't think they were coming down. I just froze and stood there looking at it.
Interview, 10/16/01, New York Times

Angel Rivera -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
Mike Mullan walked one flight up, and then the most horrendous thing happened. That's when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can hear it. Everything shook. Everything went black. The wind rushed, very slowly [sound], all the dust, all the -- and everything went dark.
Interview, 01/22/02, New York Times

Daniel Rivera -- Paramedic (E.M.S.) [Battalion 31]
Then that's when -- I kept on walking close to the south tower, and that's when that building collapsed.

It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop"? That's exactly what -- because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that's when I saw the building coming down.
Interview, 10/10/01, New York Times

Kennith Rogers -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)
Meanwhile we were standing there with about five companies and we were just waiting for our assignment and then there was an explosion in the south tower, which, according to this map, this exposure just blew out the flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.
Interview, 12/10/01, New York Times

Patrick Scaringello -- Lieutenant (E.M.S.)
I started to treat patients on my own when I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean. I was assisting in pulling more people out from debris, when I heard the second tower explode. When I tried to evacuate the area, by running up Fulton, got halfway up.
Interview, 10/10/01, New York Times

AND THE LIST IS ENDLESS...AND IM ONLY COVERING FDNY & EMS...

BeZerk

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Originally posted by ipsedixit
I guess the issue here is really control of the media. Alex Jones depends almost entirely on the mainstream media for his content. The truth is being reported piecemeal, but there is no round-up and wrap-up that builds public momentum for political or judicial action.

The mere fact that there have been almost no indictments on 911 related incidents boggles my mind. Even General Ahmad of the ISI, who wired Atta the $100,000 should be indictable within the framework of the "official" version of 911, but no indictment and no call for an indictment from the press. They know full well that the first time a substantial perp gets into court the whole ball of yarn(s) is going to unravel. If you like justice, the situation is almost unbearable.

Yes I agree.

That doesn't even touch the surface of what's really going on. On Sept 11th, 2001 this same ISI Head General who wired Atta this money, was in Washington having a series of top level meetings with the White House, the Pentagon, the National Security Council, George Tenant at the time Head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman the under secretary of state of political affairs. And right after 911, this General was escorted out the country with the red carpet, unknown and unheard of. The U.S government has allowed then and continues to allow now the money man behind 9/11 to escape unskaved and untouched; only to have him return to Pakistan and then at the request of the Pakistani President, resigned his position. So here we have the financer of the 9/11 attacks on the morning of Sept 11th having breakfast meetings with top government officials, and then allowed to escape. That's not shocking these days that they would allow a 911 criminal to escape, when the white house itself is ran by a band of criminals, who have themselves highjacked this country and would sell it out just to maintain political power.

The American people can only wonder in awe of what would become of this nation if they were to find out this administration could have prevented 911 and didn't, or even caused it to happen. That seems to be exactly the case when we delve deeper into the facts. During the 1980's with CIA funding, the ISI became developed. It was basically a parallel of the CIA; a subsidiary, a state within a state, with staff and informers estimated by some at 150,000. It holds unspoken power over all forms of government. With the Head of the ISI General Ahmed wiring Muhammad Atta 100,000 dollars, this fact proves that parts of the ISI directly supported and financed Al-Qaida, and it has long been established by any novice historian that the ISI has acted as go-between in intelligence operations on behalf of the CIA. So with that being said, is it not the CIA who had prior knowledge of the 911 attacks and allowed it to happen at the ISI's expense?

Daniel Ellsberg, the former US defense department whistleblower who has accompanied Sibel Edmonds (Fbi translator whistleblower) in court, has went on the record and stated "It seems to me quite plausible that Pakistan was quite involved in this ... To say Pakistan is, to me, to say CIA because ... it's hard to say that the ISI knew something that the CIA had no knowledge of." It's a well known fact that for years the CIA used the ISI as a subsidiary to put billions of dollars into Islamic militant groups in Afghanistan, both before and after the Soviet invasion of 1979. The evidence supporting U.S involvement in the attacks of Sept 11th is so profound that they can no longer claim incompetence, but instead criminal intent!

It is indeed criminal intent, fore if 9/11 never occurred; the U.S wouldn't be able to accomplish its geo-political agendas in this century. Yes, those very agendas outlined in the Project for New American Century would be impossible to implement had 9/11 never happened.

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BeZerk

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I think it would be very interesting if the 911 truth movement were to focus it's energy on getting General Ahmad indicted. If it can be shown in court that he did indeed wire or cause to have wired $100,000 to Atta, then people on All sides of the 911 question should support his indictment. Even someone like Bill O'Reilly should be calling publicly for the indictment of Ahmad. This is the question I would ask O'Reilly if I were on his program. "Why are you not calling for the indictment of General Ahmad?"

Among suspects in this case, General Ahmad is the WTC7 of people. No matter if you are a truther or an ardent Bushwacker, everyone agrees that there is something peculiar going on with these two things. I think the 911 truthers should let up on thermate and stand downs and all the rest of it and unite screaming, "Indict General Ahmad."

Unfortunately the media corporate elite would not even allow such questions to be asked. Even if the 9/11 Truth Movement made it onto the airwaves of Fox News they would be entirely ridiculed and as Bill O'Reilly says "SHUT UP".

I mean look at this nonsense when the going gets tough he often cuts there mics.

Source

Here he is again with utter disrespect of the son of a man who died in the WTC on 9/11

Source

BeZerk

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Hey great job Bezerk, great job digging up the research and posting it for people to see, many people including me, dont go into enough detail even though we can, and its nice to see that you took the time to write it all up.

There are many bombshells which blow 911 wide open, and when you have stories of bombs going off, along with the confession by LS that they pulled the building, along with seismic evidence, there can be no doubt that if at least, building 7 was brought down with explosives, which leads to the question of if WTC7 was brought down with explosives, maybe the towers were too.

See this is not conspiracy theories, all you people out there quick to pin name tags on things, this is just questioning based on logic and fact. The only real conspiracy theory is that Al Queda conspired to do it, thats a theory, there no proof, in fact the proof there is is fabricated, remember the fake confession tape with the fat Bin Laden??

Thank you for your kind words and for taking the time in reading the information i have posted.

You right there are alot of bombshells about 9/11 which have been yet to be answered by the current administration.

For instance the 9/11 Commission Report did not even make mention the collapse of WTC7. Why is that, when there number one intended duty and priority was to research and document all the events that unfolded that day and report it to the public after numerous efforts to block an independent inquiry were in effect by George Bush himself.

The 9/11 Commission Report was full of distortions and omissions.
It performed what we call a "faith-based investigation", it started out by accepting as gospel truth the official explanation, and set about in search of supportive evidence, discarding all contradictory (what a defense attorney would call exculpatory) evidence along the way.

In other words, virtually every piece of evidence and bit of data which
did not fit the report's pre-ordained conclusion was simply omitted from the
report.

The report did not even mention the eye witness accounts of hearing loud explosions seconds before the planes hit the building suggesting secondary devices were inside the building?

There are also descrepencies within the report to fool the people in believing in the report, for one of the many examples, on page 305 of the 9/11 commission Report, it says, "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds". They suggested it fell in free fall speed, "Pancake Collapse".

For the towers to have come down as observed, either something more than just gravity was accelerating them downward or else their vertical supports were removed from below just ahead of the fall, eliminating resistance to the fall by forces other than those from the weight of collapsing" floors above.

FEMA actually rejected the "pancake collapse" theory in its own report 2 years later. So once again how did 2 Skyscrapers collapse when no other
steel framed building in history has ever collapsed due to fires?

NIST: "None of the recovered steel samples showed evidence of exposure to temperatures above 600 degree C for as long as 15 minutes."

NIST: Within the investigation of the recovered steel, Frank Gayle's group performed a paint defermation test which showed how paint would curl or change in a certain temperature range. So they took the samples and analized them to see what kind of temperature they were exposed to by looking at the paint. Less than 2 percent of the samples which have been pulled specifically from the fire zones, despite pre-collapse exposure to fire less than 2 percent seen temperatures of 480 degrees F* which is very low relative to the temperatures to "soften or melt" steel. "Only three of the recovered samples of exterior panels reached temperatures in excess of 250 degrees C* during the fires or after the collapse. This was based on a method devoloped by NIST to characterize maximum temperatures experienced by steel members through observations of paint cracking." NIST page 181

It is scientifically proven that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I’m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers.

What’s pouring out of the South Tower, if the fires were not hot enough to
melt steel? Office furniture? Computer monitors? If your going to say Aluminum then that is thoroughly debunked. Aluminum does not give off a orange glow. Aluminum has a silver glow even when it is mixed with wood, plastic and glass. Professor Steven Jones has thoroughly tested this and has concluded it was definitely Thermate (mixture of thermite + sulfur).

Professor Steven Jones Peer Reviewed Paper

BeZerK

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The Title of the tread is BOMBSHELL of WTC7....

Then the OP thread starter posted several eyewitness accounts of peole who heard explosions. I would like to address the OP thread title by saying that this story is pretty much a lie. It was pointed out on two threads already in ATS. I think the MODS need to do a better job in controlling the amount of threads in here on the same topics.

Anyway.. i will repost the timeline where it proves that Barry Jennings (the "secret" witness from WTC7) is not telling the whole truth.

Let me add this...go to the LCF (loose change forum) and post Barry Jennings name. You will get BANNED within minutes. Barry is their BIG SECRET WITNESS for their Final Cut video that is beign released in September. Dylan Avery is VERY upset that MANY people have figured this out.

1- Deputy OEM Commissioner ordered the complete evacuation of WTC 7 at 9:44 AM INCLUDING the 23rd flr. OEM Center.

2- Jennings arrives at the 23rd floor to an abandoned OEM center. Makea a few calls and then is told to evacuate.

3- I have yet to find a time as to when he arrived at the 23rd floor. But lets assume it took at least 5 minutes to evacuate the OEM center at 9:44. We are now looking at about 10 minutes to 10. 9:50AM

4- So Lets say Jennings arrived EXACTLY 5 minutes after OEM evacuated. That puts us at 9:55.

6- Jenning makes a few calls and is told to evacuate. approx.1-2 Minutes. That puts us at 9:57

7- Jennings then heads to the elevator and is waiting, 9:59AM WTC2 collapses the lights flicker inside WTC-7

8- Jennings was waiting for an unspecified amount of time, learned that the elevator did not work so headed for the staircase.

9- When Jennings got down to the 6th floor it was 10:28am. WTC1 collapsed. Jennings and the gentleman he was with were stuck.

So, although we don't have a conclusive time as to how long Jennings was waiting for the elevator or how long it took him to get down the stairs...the fact is. Jennings explosions he heard were WTC2 collapsing.

You can find the times in the NIST report:

wtc.nist.gov...

You can read this thread @: www.abovetopsecret.com...




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I dont think it is within ATS's T&C just to copy and paste information without linking the source material.. Also all of these issues are currently in discussion in other 9/11 threads..
As a newcomer, i advise you read through other threads first before posting repeat threads, also you should put outside links to all your copied posts.
Regards

Originally posted by Fowl Play
I dont think it is within ATS's T&C just to copy and paste information without linking the source material.. Also all of these issues are currently in discussion in other 9/11 threads..
As a newcomer, i advise you read through other threads first before posting repeat threads, also you should put outside links to all your copied posts.
Regards

Are you a moderator?

It's Dosent matter if he's a moderator. There are WAY too many threads in here started on the same subject. He was just giving some advice.

Originally posted by Pootie

Originally posted by Fowl Play
I dont think it is within ATS's T&C just to copy and paste information without linking the source material.. Also all of these issues are currently in discussion in other 9/11 threads..
As a newcomer, i advise you read through other threads first before posting repeat threads, also you should put outside links to all your copied posts.
Regards

Are you a moderator?

One line replies are also not acceptable either. No i am not a Moderator, but one of the good things about such a great site as ATS, is that the site is so huge, that members try and point new members in the right direction and advise them according to ATS's T&C...
The part about using outside links and tabs is extremely important and could be bothersome to ATS because of copyright laws.
If the OP continues to post like that he will probably get warnings, and i am trying to stop that from happening.
Regards

Originally posted by Fowl Play

Originally posted by Pootie

Originally posted by Fowl Play
I dont think it is within ATS's T&C just to copy and paste information without linking the source material.. Also all of these issues are currently in discussion in other 9/11 threads..
As a newcomer, i advise you read through other threads first before posting repeat threads, also you should put outside links to all your copied posts.
Regards

Are you a moderator?

One line replies are also not acceptable either. No i am not a Moderator, but one of the good things about such a great site as ATS, is that the site is so huge, that members try and point new members in the right direction and advise them according to ATS's T&C...
The part about using outside links and tabs is extremely important and could be bothersome to ATS because of copyright laws.
If the OP continues to post like that he will probably get warnings, and i am trying to stop that from happening.
Regards

I get it... you are just playing moderator to "help" protect people from "warnings"? Get over yourself and stop trying to shut people down by parroting rules.

The mods have it all under control.

Your account is only a MONTH OLD... ODD you would know SO MUCH about ATS unless you are a REINCARNATED user...

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