[HOAX] 'ET' False Flag Operation to Begin in August [HOAX]

Originally posted by GhostRaven
What they are anticipating is a scenario where, for every twenty planes we lose, we shoot down one UFO. This is ok with them.

This particular sentence makes not sense at all to me. Sorry, I think or you became deceived or maybe you're just another hoaxer. I don't see any logic there, really.

Hi:

This is the longest day-old ATS thread that I have seen, and I think the longest I have seen, period. If I may add my two bits…I have run around in the same circles as Greer, Rosin, et al., and have several connections to this issue, such as my pursuit of free energy:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

and related activities:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

I have gone to see ET craft myself, was not disappointed, and am going again this year:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

It is not very deniable, IMO, that ET craft appear over earth at will. After many years of being immersed in the evidence, I believe that Victor Marchetti’s perspective of the elite “fear” of the ET presence is accurate:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

IMO, the hyper-elites (the same people who offered us a billion dollars to stop pursuing free energy www.ahealedplanet.net... ) do not want ETs openly interacting with humans because the public would soon obtain free energy and related technologies, and a humanity liberated from elite manipulation could soon follow, and THAT is what the Big Boys fear most of all.

Yes, anybody from the inside thinking that they can anonymously make posts to places like ATS is fooling themselves, and GhostRaven’s claim that some insiders DO know that he is making these posts lends him a certain credibility. Many bureaucrats have been drug along very reluctantly by events of the past several years. There is plenty of grumbling in the corridors, and the walking dead must be proliferating:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

I have had to assume that I have been under surveillance for the past twenty years. I doubt that any earthlings can run under the Big Boys’ radar. No national or world government controls the situation, either. The false flag op would not happen if the hyper-elite:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

vetoed it.

If GhostRaven is a government employee, he is way, way down the food chain. I have seen too much evidence (some first-hand, and a great deal second hand and VERY impressive) that what Greer talks about is, in large measure, valid:

www.ahealedplanet.net...

and yes, his Uber-warrior approach has its limitations. I believe that GhostRaven’s posts might be legitimate, and seem to come from a perspective beyond something that a teenager could cook up in his bedroom. The private factions run the show, however, not the American government, and most ET visitors ARE of benevolent motivation and are far more involved than disinterested field scientists from distant star systems. Some ARE disinterested (and some DO have malevolent motivation), but most are trying to help humanity over the hump, but Star Trek’s Prime Directive is not so fictional.

The false flag op IS one contingency plan, and if they are moving it to the front burner, time is indeed short and their motivation is most likely to prevent a “benevolent” ET presence from being publicly admitted (Dannion Brinkley has predicted that 2008 will be the year that the ETs reveal themselves, because humanity will be threatening to wreck civilization and the planet - sound outlandish? : - ) ). If the Big Boys can get us to all huddle under their “protection” from the ultimate “terrorist,” it will turn out just as they had hoped. However, those plans are a bit megalomaniacal. If they pull the false flag op, then their days are numbered at the food chain’s top, because the “benevolent” ETs will be freed to act (the Prime Directive will no longer restrain them). I believe that a few million casualties in the false flag op would make it an “impressive” one, but I like to think that the ETs will not allow it to happen. However, that could be wishful thinking.

Many ATS members have seen numerous predictions of this nature that did not pan out, either because of hoaxing or events taking different turns than predicted. GhostRaven cannot PROVE anything to us right now, and only when late July/August rolls around will we know if the op goes down. We can really do not much else besides file this away under “perhaps this will happen, and I will keep my eyes open this summer and not forget GhostRaven’s warning.”

Best,

Wade

Originally posted by deaman88



Anyhow, whatever they are, they are size zero, and close combat is certainly not on their agenda, because they would lose, and, ironically this is our only possible win scenario against them.

Hey April man himself Manzor, please don't quote the text, the whole text and nothin but the text, when this is all you had to do??









[edit on 23/6/2007 by deaman88]

GhostRaven:

I Have a problem with parts of your post; but first of all, your position with the government I won't dispute (as I can't verify this - and I guess not many can). But it seems to me you have already identified yourself to your government employer, or at the very least narrowed their focus to the source of this 'leak'.

And do you or anyone else suppose that others, many others, employed to do the very same thing you claim to have been employed to do for the past 5 years......don't watch the watchers ? No, I'm not saying your story is bogus (yet !) but.....if your background is for real, it shouldnt be that difficult at all for your employers to narrow down the source - and identity of this leak - you.

Which leads me to this next part: for someone who 'has been tasked' with such an important assignment......I would consider (if I were your employer, which I'm not) you to have demonstrated surprisingly little expertise in concealing your identity, your employment status, or your willingness to step outside what I'm guessing are strict and "hell-and-damnation-if-you-do" guidelines.

But the best that I can come up with is:

1. If your story in ALL its aspects is real, then you're out of your depth and need to have a very workable plan 'B'....and even 'C'
2. If you have fabricated any part or whole of your story, then your credibility drops to almost zero.
3. It may or may not have occurred to you....that you yourself, have been carefully 'groomed' (I hate that word !) for this 'leak'.
4. Or.......worst case scenario ? You have crafted this leaked info......in which case it really isn't worth anyones time or energy trying to work out if, or how much.

You're either a genuine person who is suddenly out of their depth in more ways than one......or you've simply added to the vast mountain of half-truths and blatant BS that governments are so fond of spewing out.

If this is the truth-great!!!! I am a Christian, and the mass dissapearance will be Christians before the tribulation. Laugh all you want, but I'm ready to depart!

...what Frazier said...

I believe some contributers on this thread fail to fully understand what a false flag operation means.

It means a faction disguises itself as its enemies, to carry out attacks on selected targets, in order to convince every one else of their right to go to war against those enemies.

Applied to outer space, this means the US Armed Forces are able to carry out attacks exactly as if they were extraterrestrial in origin.

Bob Lazar and Philip Corso testimonies remain absolutely vital to share with the audience. The intense reverse engineering of real ET spacecraft was necessary for these false flag attacks.

Of which I still hope they will not be necessary. After all, you can perfectly militarize space without them.

I've been keeping an eye on this thread throughout the day. And I just thought of something, wouldn't the government trace the IP to the library, then find out who lives in the area that worked/is working for them? Now, granted, there could be a lot of people with that occupation living in the area, but I was just wondering.

However, forums like these always perk my interest. I'm looking forward to the coming months. Regardless what may happen.

Originally posted by spinner2
If this is the truth-great!!!! I am a Christian, and the mass dissapearance will be Christians before the tribulation. Laugh all you want, but I'm ready to depart!

Spinner: If you ARE in fact a Christian, then surely you would exercise a little more discernment and wisdom. And if you follow Christ as you claim to....you demonstrate a remarkable degree of carelessness in your hearts attitude, towards those who don't know, or care for, the Christ you follow.......or the convenient but premature escape which you refer to.

But of course, all this has little to do with the #1 post/topic. Apologies to the moderator.

Originally posted by Thodeph
...what Frazier said...

I believe some contributers on this thread fail to fully understand what a false flag operation means.

It means a faction disguises itself as its enemies, to carry out attacks on selected targets, in order to convince every one else of their right to go to war against those enemies. [isn't this what the 9/11 discussions are all about?]

Applied to outer space, this means the US Armed Forces are able to carry out attacks exactly as if they were extraterrestrial in origin. [Hello, Thodeph, but here, the blame would lie on .....ALIENS!!! The new threat for the NWO/Bilderberg/set in stone at The Grove? its ludicrous, a hazardos way of exposing the human race to what they must - and will learn to accept (unless this is part of the World State Police Plan) as being part of the Tri-Lateral Agreement initiatives.]

Bob Lazar and Philip Corso testimonies remain absolutely vital to share with the audience. The intense reverse engineering of real ET spacecraft was necessary for these false flag attacks. [Here, you are doing people who have 'credible' evidence (which is far higher than your opines).

The injustice of either accusing them of being 'NWO reps' or 'vital' in as much as implying that they misled people is shameful.

nyhow, you can militarize space without them. [Space is only being militarized by the US at the moment, so 'militarization' of space, is being forced onto other nations that would rather focus on making and maintaining contact with EBE's, than having to show its military presence to ensure its sovereign freedoms in space against its wordly neighbours]

All points in [] are my responses to the comments

[edit on 23/6/2007 by deaman88]

Apologies if this has already been stated, but Steven Greer alludes to this happening in his book, "Hidden Truth, Forbidden Knowledge". He states that the government will carry out large scale covert-ops with mock saucers to propegate a hostile incursion by ET species, to make everyone fear and have the knee-jerk, "Get em!" response. Hopefully enough people get educated whether this might be reality or not, and we do everything we can to spread the word, even if in theoretic possibility scenarios. Look what these idiots did with the Iraq/WMD propeganda.

Scarey.

Originally posted by Slash
I've been keeping an eye on this thread throughout the day. And I just thought of something, wouldn't the government trace the IP to the library, then find out who lives in the area that worked/is working for them? Now, granted, there could be a lot of people with that occupation living in the area, but I was just wondering.

However, forums like these always perk my interest. I'm looking forward to the coming months. Regardless what may happen.

Have you read all of the OP's posts? He makes a claim (which I've already thought about) and that's:

The government doesn't have an all seeing eye, they're not the Boogeymen.

He also states that a lot of people within the government are people just like you and me and are sympathetic to his cause. Which is something I would have thought of if I wanted to hoax something like this. It's pretty interesting, I personally believe this is not bunkable until the end of August.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
Apologies if this has already been stated

...It hasn't been stated, and maybe this is the source of our dear and most absent OP...However, and alas, we shall ne'er know, for he is lost in words and the cat (earth based non-hybridized version) has gotten his tongue...or has it??? Reply OP, or be treated as hoax, your thread of discredit and abominationDefend or be openly discredited on such early a membership, after 5 yrs. of wanting to fabricate a story, not too dissimilar to what you OP'd



[edit on 23/6/2007 by deaman88]

Originally posted by deaman88
It hasn't been stated, and maybe this is the source of our dear and most absent OP...However, and alas, we shall ne'er know, for he is lost in words and the cat (earth based non-hybridized version) has gotten his tongue...or has it??? Reply OP, or be clsed your thread of discredit and abomination

Have you really read his posts? It seems like you haven't read all the pages. He said exactly what I said in my above post and also stated he may have to be absent for a few days from posting.

Edit: Or are you just being super sarcastic and I didn't get the jist of it?

[edit on 23-6-2007 by Donoso]

Originally posted by Donoso

Have you read all of the OP's posts? He makes a claim (which I've already thought about) and that's:

The government doesn't have an all seeing eye, they're not the Boogeymen.

He also states that a lot of people within the government are people just like you and me and are sympathetic to his cause. Which is something I would have thought of if I wanted to hoax something like this. It's pretty interesting, I personally believe this is not bunkable until the end of August.

Yes I've read that, as I've stated I've been keeping an eye on this all day (it's my day off)
My thoughts were, if the government really wanted to look into it, they might be able to. I applaud the efforts that have gone into this investigation and totally agree with you that we just need to wait, patience is a virtue after all eh?

[edit on 23-6-2007 by Slash]

I'm drawing a big blank right now, but wasn't it a couple of years ago that we had a story about an asteroid or coment breaking part and falling to earth in three pieces? I looked it up, it was the famed "Aussie Bloke" hoax. This was to happen in June. And another similary story via German Guy came out shortly thereafter. Then prohet Yahweh. Add Nancy Lieder into the mix as well.

What is it about the summer that causes these stories to come up.

I don't believe one word of this. Sounds like good storytelling but that is about it.

If true, and that's highly doubtful, what is the purpose of attacking. What is to gain? Take away even more of our liberties?

This sounds entirely too similar to the theory presented by Carol Rosin on behalf of Werner von Braun.

Here is a link the testimony she gave...

The Coming 'ET Threat' Will Be A Lie

What happened to the asteroid threat? Seems we skipped that part in the grand order of things.

[edit on 23-6-2007 by Freenrgy2]

Originally posted by Slash
Yes I've read that, as I've stated I've been keeping an eye on this all day (it's my day off)

My thoughts were, if the government really wanted to look into it, they might be able to. I applaud the efforts that have gone into this investigation and totally agree with you that we just need to wait, patience is a virtue after all eh?

Ahh, alright, good. I was just checking, a lot of people usually post before actually reading the full content of the thread.

If the hoaxer's setting is correct, it'd be pretty difficult for the influential minority to get passed the majority within the government. Wouldn't you think? This could be a real interesting book plot. The super leaders are being threatened by their own workers. An uprising within the establishment.

Anyways, patience is a virtue.

Originally posted by Donoso
Have you really read his posts? It seems like you haven't read all the pages. He said exactly what I said in my above post and also stated he may have to be absent for a few days from posting.
Edit: Or are you just being super sarcastic and I didn't get the jist of it?
[edit on 23-6-2007 by Donoso]

The 'jist' I get, is MO for nothing less than a hoaxer, for that is the normal operating mode of typical posters of fallacy.

I have read the thread, and can assure you that I am providing AMPLE opportunity for contract-man to respond. Now that he has surely gone underground, I trust he has enough time to read through our comments and formulate the information requested to support his claims.

If you want to attack me for challenging the OP to provide further information to his OPINIONS, then you are attacking every single member of this forum, and that would be even worse than the war on aliens as fabricated in August of this year (or April for sleepy willows).

[edit on 23/6/2007 by deaman88]

Originally posted by Slash
I've been keeping an eye on this thread throughout the day. And I just thought of something, wouldn't the government trace the IP to the library, then find out who lives in the area that worked/is working for them? Now, granted, there could be a lot of people with that occupation living in the area, but I was just wondering.

More to the point why would a 'whistle blower' even divulge where he was posting from?

Next why would a true whistle-blower even log on more than once? He'd use a method to disguise his identity, create one account on ATS different than any other, log on once through a proxy or series of proxies, and give the warning.

Then, typically, you'd never hear from that account again. The warning would be short and to the point.

The insider would not risk posting twice, having already taken enormous risk posting the first warning. He'd be much too frightened to have done this and for whom? Perfect strangers.

Remember we're not just talking minor ops here. If this were true, and I assure you, it is not, then it would be well above top secret and those leaking would risk being shot as traitors.

Im not gonna even entertain this thread until 'early august' because, I remember well the stupid australian asteroid hoax. So if you wanna get off on fooling a bunch of UFO enthusiasts, its probably the easiest thing in the world to do!
I bet come early August this fellow will dissappear or come up with some excuse as to why nothing happened. Meh...

talking to a friend of mine who was on the "joint chief of staffs", and who also had the the job of coding "secret stuff " and some mind blowing stuff! he said to me when I asked him about "this here alien situation"...and he mentioned NASA Astronaut Lisa Nowak ...and her current "training job", he said she probably could spill the beans, that’s why she's still working...

Some folks in "the know" know.

He said, stuff will come out someday.

who knows, till it does...

popcorn please.