"The Black Man, Is Crazy!"

Hmmm.. I really don't know, how else to put it in.

It's video.onlinenigeria.com...

instead of 'n-word'ia insert Nigeria, with a lowercase n. So, video, dot, onlineNigeria, dot com.

It won't accept Nigeria with a lowercase n in here, it automatically inserts 'n-word'. Cute!

Anyhow, in the browser, you'll have to change it.

Originally posted by Soraia
As to Africans saying that only Black Americans could save them...uhm, most of my posts say that, as my own opinion. I was in fact criticised for it.

There was only one African who said that. I was surprised because I had never considered this. After the Africans allowed what America did to the Native Americans to happen, their plight is sad. I think only the Africans can
help themselves, maybe by "cleaning out" the diamond thieves and that sort of people, and getting on with their own economic development. Every "developed" country has taken their turn at exploiting Africa in some way and that is very sad, and speaks volumes for both those so-called developed countries and Africa.

As well, all this willful ignorance, with quotes of what I and others say, blatantly taken out of context...childish. I refuse to do that. I never pretend not to understand what someone is trying to say...

Old Southern women descended from slaves have an old saying "I'se playing fool to fin 'de fool". These women were clever enough to allow a person to say horrible things to them (in that roundabout way) and then to appear not to be affected, in an effort to get these people to "escalate" and thus be found out by others.

Thus, when a person says something subtle in it's insinuation, I may appear not to react, thus giving that person plenty of rope to hang themselves. Then, everyone can understand what is being said. I don't read code well, so I have learned to handle hostiilities and insinuations that old southern way. That way, the fool reveals himself. It's easy and always works!

As to the rest of your post, CSI, I think it may be a little ego-driven, and maybe you've never delved deeper than what you need to make yourself feel good, which is fine. It's all a journey, and who's to say which way is the right and the only way?

Yes, who's to say? My ego is my "bulletproof jacket" that protects me from attacks by those who would destroy me/my community with their media, their lynching posts and their lab manufactured drugs and their factory manufactured guns. This jacket has served me well; maybe I should manufacture more jackets for others.

The systematic destruction of a people does not happen overnight. It starts out with subjugation, denial and when that is no longer permissible, the work of the media begins, complete with movies and words with poison-tipped spears, as we find in the OP and those who have agreed with him. Hear me when I say that agreement with the OP, although unknowingly, is just another poison-tipped spear plunged into the backs of a people who have been "speared" so many times that there isn't much space left on their bodies!

So I stand here before you, in my Jacket, and I ask, please stop throwing the spears! My people are being destroyed by all the different types of spears, those manufactured in labs/factories and those spears contained in your words.

Just think about the compliments you've handed out...I guess you've never heard the serious Africans thoughts on morals (or lack thereof) in the U.S., on the women, on the focus and drive of the brothers, etc...everyone likes glitz. To a point. When that is all you have to offer, ("look at me, look at me")like a beautiful woman, sooner or later you have a problem.

I try to deny ignorance.

Only a fool would believe that the faults you have kindly pointed out stem from a small minority, and not the larger American Culture. These problems are widespread in American Culture, and many parts of the world.

Africans should save their harsh opinions for the diamond thieves! And tell your friends to go and fix Darfur!




[edit on 3-7-2007 by Soraia]

Originally posted by CSIfan

Originally posted by Soraia
As to Africans saying that only Black Americans could save them...uhm, most of my posts say that, as my own opinion. I was in fact criticised for it.

There was only one African who said that. I was surprised because I had never considered this. After the Africans allowed what America did to the Native Americans to happen, their plight is sad. I think only the Africans can
help themselves, maybe by "cleaning out" the diamond thieves and that sort of people, and getting on with their own economic development.

Saving "Blacks" in the sense of having the ability (right now, without other political stresses, immediate true survival needs) of promoting a positive "black" image. Africa in general, has too much to deal with right now to be up on that...I also said that whenever I look at Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders) or other similiar organizations which work deep within critical areas in Africa and elsewhere in this world, all I see are predominantly white faces, the "blacks" that are there seem to be mostly locals. And that, if we have nothing to get from them, why should we give - that seems to be the current "black" attitude here, which is wonderfully reflected in your words (I assume you are "black")... And that maybe, if we saw others that suffered as well, and took their suffering into perspective, maybe then our true current standing would be a little more obvious to some, and where our true powers lie.

Yes, many Africans (yes, gross generalization, Africa is a continent with many people) seem corrupt, and possessed of the desire for the immediate satisfaction for their greed - due to their violent upbringing, history, and current dire poverty. And here is where I start to laugh, because on one hand, these very same traits are used as an excuse on one side of the world, for a current situation, dragging up all sorts of quotes, historical annotations and so-called validations for >>just plain wrong behaviour

Originally posted by Soraia
I also said that whenever I look at Medecins Sans Frontieres (Doctors Without Borders) or other similiar organizations which work deep within critical areas in Africa and elsewhere in this world, all I see are predominantly white faces, the "blacks" that are there seem to be mostly locals. And that, if we have nothing to get from them, why should we give - that seems to be the current "black" attitude here, which is wonderfully reflected in your words (I assume you are "black")

Doctors Without Borders is a good program, probably funded with some of the money from the stolen diamonds, platinum and gold. I'd bet that the blood money has been cleaned up and can be found in some of the most respectable places.

Did you know that the World's Monetary Markets revolve around gazillions worth of stolen resources from Africa?

And I absolutely never said I have nothing to give my African brothers and sisters, and I'm not sure where you got that from. I said they need to clean out the thieves and get on with establishing their country as the economic force that it should be. I am here in my own country, and my struggle here continues..

Yes, many Africans (yes, gross generalization, Africa is a continent with many people) seem corrupt, and possessed of the desire for the immediate satisfaction for their greed - due to their violent upbringing, history, and current dire poverty.

Well, okay, that would make Africa a lot like America in many ways, especially the early years! Yes, that would make Africa just like every other country, wouldn't you say?

And here is where I start to laugh, because on one hand, these very same traits are used as an excuse on one side of the world, for a current situation, dragging up all sorts of quotes, historical annotations and so-called validations for >>just plain wrong behaviour

Mod edit: Inappropriate link removed. (Contained porn)

[edit on 7-7-2007 by sanctum]

On the subject of "Black athletes are ruining professional sports" (I read the link before it was edited), I don't agree with the assessment. And here's why.

If we take a look at professional sports as an entity and observe that in the past (approx) 30 years, (A) standards have been lowered, pay has ballooned, behavior of the athletes has deteriorated and, at the same time, (B) black athletes have charged onto the scene, we can't necessarily say that B caused A...

Because we can look at just about ANY segment of society (where blacks haven't increased in numbers) and see the same thing... In the military, schools, government, entertainment... standards have been lowered, people behave with less accountability and integrity, corruption abounds. And it's not because of black people.

It's basically because these segments ALLOW it to happen. The professional sports team WANTS the athlete on their team, so they overlook the behavior and the standards go down. If the teams insisted that every player either abide by the standards or get kicked off the team, you'd see higher quality behavior among athletes of all color.

This reminds me of the recent story and resultant flap over the strict NBA dress code and how it was seen as a racist action against blacks. But if we look at the image Michael Jordan presented as opposed to some of the newer players, we can see it's not about the black players, it's about standards on behalf of the league... and how they have been relaxed to include some good athletes who aren't willing to give up their gangsta. (In my opinion, of course).


Allen Iverson, left, is emblematic of hip-hop culture's influence on NBA players in the post-Michael Jordan, right, era. (AP, Reuters)

Opinions on the NBA's Dress Code
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In researching this subject, I came across a very different and interesting point of view. A book called Darwin's Athletes: How Sport Has Damaged Black America and Preserved the Myth of Race (by John Hoberman) charges that the entity of "sports" and people's fixation on it, is actually at least partially to blame for black America's continued lower level of achievement.

Book Link

This is a review from the book page on Amazon.com:

DARWIN'S ATHLETES focuses on society's fixation with black athletic achievement. Hoberman argues that this obsession has come to play a troubling role in African American life and our country's race relations. Rich, flamboyant superstars lend credence to age-old prejudices, recycled "scientific" theories denigrating black intelligence, and stereotypes of black violence. This portrayal of black identity encourages a disdain for academic achievement already too widespread among black males. Darwin's Athletes is a powerful indictment of modern sport's racial spectacle.

A small excerpt from the book:

The black activist and sports sociologist Harry Edwards has been the only consistent critic of this syndrome, calling black society “a co-conspirator” in the exploitation of its own children by a white-dominated sports establishment.

I tend to agree with Edwards' assessment. The 'blame' for this phenomenon can't be placed on blacks alone, but they certainly aren't powerless victims, either.

Thoughts?

Edited to add a few words of clarification and a link.

[edit on 8-7-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

For the curious: here is the article found on thestoriesyoucannottell.blogspot.com:

It's harsh, I don't completely agree, sports are entertainment as well, people like to see their entertainers a certain way, etc. - but thought I could throw it in here for discussion:

from thestoriesyoucannottell.blogspot.com
Black athletes are ruining professional sports.

After reading some of the stories here and after some consideration, second guessing and guilt for even contemplating writing this, here in LAX I sit, waiting to fly to another interview with yet another egotistic superstar black athlete that is about to do his part in ruining his sport.

Which leads me to the story I cannot tell. More like a personal confession of sorts. Something I cannot share with anyone else in this industry as I would be fired, blacklisted and probably run out of L.A.

---cont'd

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[edit on 8-7-2007 by chissler]

---cont'd;

Nascar? Blacks can’t afford it so blacks won’t be ruining NASCAR anytime soon. Thank God.

Soccer? Not enough camera time for blacks for them to ruin it. If blacks can’t get, “all up in the camera for the peeps in the hood”, then they want no part of the sport. Besides, in soccer you have to run all the time and even though ghetto blacks are used to running around all day, in sport they don’t want to have to work that hard.

Tennis? It started happening with the ghetto fabulous Williams’s. See their outfits? Soon enough. they’ll be on center stage, wrapped around the brass pole. Can you say, “Shower! Shower!”? Make sure to have $1’s for the tips fellas!

It’ll never happen in Golf. The only reason Tiger ever had the chance to play was because he was white-washed enough to be allowed in to the clubs. Earl Woods was smart, dressing Tiger as a little white boy. Do you really think Tiger Woods would be “Tiger Woods” if he dressed like the thug Allen Iverson? Not at all.

Hockey? It won’t happen there. Blacks can’t afford skating lessons, hockey equipment and ice-time. While Anson Carter looks like a complete idiot with his dreads/braids sticking out of his helmet, the other blacks are around white people enough to know their place.

BH brought up some good points...the above quote is of course, just an opinion, but it's an opinion I've ran into many times...I sit on the fence on this one. Yeah....and naaah.

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[edit on 8-7-2007 by chissler]

Mod Note: Please Stay on Topic



The topic of this discussion is not rap or black athletes.
For those who may have gotten off track, here is a link to the OP:
www.abovepolitics.com...

Aargh..sorry! Just thought that tied in with "black image", which, I thought was one of the sub-topics of this thread. Ooops.

Great OP, OP!

I agree with you 100% on the effects of words and titles, and how they can influence one's mental image. Though I don't agree that all people who call themselves black are affected to the same degree.

In the context of the American black, I also agree that the title of black, unfortunately has strings to the the violent and seperatist ideology of Carmichael and the likes. It's a pity to me really, that circumstances have created the need for the black community to embrace it. The militant ideaology surpassed the passive ideaology of MLK, and it may have been engineered that way (this is a conspiracy site afterall) in-part with his assassination. More on this in a couple of paragraphs.

The meanings of word can change, and do, but I think the word black will never be able to have a positive cannotation - not without changing the entire history of the word, which is impossilbe to say the least. Yes, the word can be descriptive of physical, or other innocuous traits, but relieving it of it's historical and esoterical negative meanings is a feat unattainable by even the divine. Black and white is inherently descriptive of good and evil and always will be, as long as humans possess a dichotomic intellect - and we will.

The n word is a good example. It has been embraced by the community for longer the black word, and we all know, it's meaning hasn't changed a bit. Nor has it's offenseable attribute.

I am not black, never will have the opportunity to be, so I don't know anything for sure about it, but I do believe in the power of words and titles to manifest thoughts, emotions and actions in people. IMO, black was and is not the best word to title oneself with.


I believe that the seperatist ideology of the '30's -'60's is in part, maybe a large part of the black communities slow progression into the capitalist opportunities afforded in this country. The dominant culture is percieved as white, so for a non-dominant culture to percieve itself as black surely perpetuates the division. Since black and white are pretty much polar extremes to each other, I can easily understand how this may in effect, seriously hamper the hope of the two cultures assimilating as one American culture.

I have in past threads attempted to get some posters to admit to the fact that assimilation is not what they want. Maybe it's best, as some things are best left unspoken, but this is what I believe. That some members of the black community, and it may be alot of members, are hoping for and working towards a black dominated society. Whites not included - and this is why so many blacks who are successful in this country are labeled as Toms and sell-outs. Their success is not looked upon as a positve motivator to their communities, but rather the opposite. I can't grasp any other reason for this other than what I stated above. Mostly in part, because when I ask, I can never get a straight-forward answer.

Anyways, good post Satanque, and I look forward to reading more from you.

Originally posted by nextguyinline
Though I don't agree that all people who call themselves black are affected to the same degree.

Great observation! I don't agree with the OP, mainly because his/her hypothesis is one sided and somewhat hateful. IMO, what could have possibly been a foundation for a fairly intelligent discussion was flawed with accusations.

In the context of the American black, I also agree that the title of black, unfortunately has strings to the the violent and seperatist ideology of Carmichael and the likes.

Here, let me note that the separatism between Blacks and Whites in this country did not begin with Carmicheal "and the likes"...this deep separation was violently imprinted on America centuries before Carmicheal was even born.

The meanings of word can change, and do, but I think the word black will never be able to have a positive cannotation - not without changing the entire history of the word, which is impossilbe to say the least.

You may have noticed that another poster pointed out that some words mean different things in different languages; well, to me and the Black people that I know, no one considers the word black anything more than a color. That's all it is. A descriptive color; and for those who see more than a descriptive color, that is something that comes from their own minds. There are people who can find something negative in just about anything; don't you know some of them? This usually comes from their personal life experiences...and has nothing to do with others, especially an entire race of people who they don't even know!

The n word is a good example. It has been embraced by the community for longer the black word, and we all know, it's meaning hasn't changed a bit. Nor has it's offenseable attribute.

I agree with you on that...yet, you can find psychiatric wards full of sick people whose parents called them crappy words while they grew up...not good at all to use abusive words. But, once again, a very old word bestowed upon a people by American whites, not by themselves.

I have in past threads attempted to get some posters to admit to the fact that assimilation is not what they want.

For many Blacks, myself included, it is difficult to consider assimilating into such a brutal and heartless society. For American Blacks and Native Americans, who received the brunt of this American Beastiality, the incidents won't stop coming. Just when you think it's okay to go back into the water...

This reminds me of the high school bully who made our lives miserable...do you join him in terrorizing others? Or do you try to get help against him and organize opposition? If generations of people continue to be forced to organize opposition, sooner or later you will find that being like the Bully is not a desired attribute. Don't you agree? Understanding this and equating this to the Black Experience in America is similar to you walking a mile in this man's shoes...

That some members of the black community, and it may be alot of members, are hoping for and working towards a black dominated society. Whites not included

The Bully is not desired in civil society, but no, getting rid of the Bully is an impossible dream...the Bully must learn to live in a civilized manner, so the opposition can cease...even though many Blacks are battle-weary, many whites deny the presence of the Bully, though they luxuriate in the "spoils" brought home by the pilferings of the Bully (whether from America or other countries, e.g. Iraq).

- and this is why so many blacks who are successful in this country are labeled as Toms and sell-outs. Their success is not looked upon as a positve motivator to their communities, but rather the opposite.

To me, successful Blacks are people who have surmounted enormous obstacles to achieve, and it's a great positive. I consider myself successful, and have not trampled anyone for my success. Remember that success is defined in many ways, such as:

-Material goods
-Love, Family & Happiness
-Prestige, Respect
-Peace of Mind, Clarity
-A Sense of Objective and Success in a Chosen Field

To possess all or any of the above, no matter whether you call yourself Black or White, Red or Yellow, this would be a good thing, and may cause others to envy you.

In any small White town, groups of Whites whisper about another person who goes to the "city" and does well...calls him a "big shot" and snickers behind his back. Why must plain old human nature, envy, negative stuff always be directed towards those who call themselves Black?

Jealousy is human nature and cannot be specific to Blacks. Some people are motivated by another's success, and some are jealous...simple as that. Here is no basis for extended discussion.

By the way, the worst "assimilators" in my community and in communities all across America are the people who:

-go after Material Goods by selling drugs; these are American capitalists who are known all over the world, whose business comes before humans, whether the product is dope or bananas! These drug dealers have indeed assimilated...

- and don't forget the Prestige "assimilators", millions of young people who dress and act like people in music videos-- music produced by people like Zach Horowitz. These young people mimic and act out the "devil may care" attitude-- featuring sex, drugs, "bling", and expensive cars...ALL things that arrogant Americans are known for worshipping...a cultural horror. But, nevertheless, intrinsic to America and it's image overseas. They too, have assimilated to worship and cling to that elusive "American Dream".

These two groups mindlessly abandon the hard-working ethic and struggle of their grandparents, a community that is grounded in church attendance, the quest for academic achievement and success in America--all to chase vulgar dreams presented to them by Illegal Drug Importers and guys like Zach Horowitz, CEO of Vivendi (music) Corp--a Dream that has been detrimental to our communities...and, a type of assimilation that is not acceptable to Blacks like myself.

How dare the Original Poster take the senseless activity of these two "assimilated" groups (a minority within a minority) to label all Black people and say we are "Crazy"?

In a nutshell, a rose is still a rose...by any other name, Black is just a color, and will never be more than that.

[edit on 12-7-2007 by CSIfan]

Firstly, I would like to apologize to truthseeka for something I said to him:

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I understand stating your opinion, but you've been one of the most active people in this thread and you have NOT ONE additive thing to say, except to bolster those who agree with you.

That is not true at all. He added a LOT to this thread and I was wrong. I'm sincerely sorry. It was a stupid thing for me to say.

Originally posted by CSIfan
For many Blacks, myself included, it is difficult to consider assimilating into such a brutal and heartless society.

So, it sounds like you think ALL of American society is brutal and heartless. Is that true? I don't understand why you see yourself as outside of American society in the first place. Sometimes you speak as if you're part of society and sometimes you speak as if you're outside it. I'm confused... Can you talk a little more about how you see yourself and your place in American society? Because it sounds like you hate it.

The Bully is not desired in civil society, but no, getting rid of the Bully is an impossible dream...the Bully must learn to live in a civilized manner, so the opposition can cease...

Can you help me out here? Who specifically is the bully in this analogy?

Jealousy is human nature and cannot be specific to Blacks. Some people are motivated by another's success, and some are jealous...simple as that.

Very true. Great point.

How dare the Original Poster take the senseless activity of these two "assimilated" groups (a minority within a minority) to label all Black people and say we are "Crazy"?

It's just his opinion. He dare state his opinion? Why shouldn't he? Have you ever heard someone say, "White people are crazy"? I sure have. I KNOW you have. You've probably said it yourself! "Those white folks are CRAZY"!

Here's the T-Shirt

Here's a White Guy who says White People are Crazy

You can look all over the net and find where people ("black" people) are calling white people crazy and a lot worse. Why is it such a big deal for some dude to say that black people are crazy? I don't get that.

In a nutshell, a rose is still a rose...by any other name, Black is just a color, and will never be more than that.

To you. But what I think you're missing is that not everyone thinks like you. Can you step outside your brain for a second and realize that to some people, "black" is more than a color? To some, it's an insult.

African American, but not Black

I am African American, but I am not black, my skin is not the color of obsidian. It is a shade of brown. And I don't appreciate being labeled by a color. I am beyond definition by color. We are all beyond this sort of categorization.

Phew, thanks for the response CSIfan, I was worried I killed this thread.

Originally posted by CSIfan
Here, let me note that the separatism between Blacks and Whites in this country did not begin with Carmicheal "and the likes"...this deep separation was violently imprinted on America centuries before Carmicheal was even born.

Yes, quite true, it started precisely when that first man raised his hand with the highest bid.

But I was relating to the recent decision of the black community to embrace the black title, in the terms that the OP laid out - and how that title in and of itself may still carry inherently, the seperatist ideals of the mid-century black militants.

You may have noticed that another poster pointed out that some words mean different things in different languages; well, to me and the Black people that I know, no one considers the word black anything more than a color. That's all it is. A descriptive color; and for those who see more than a descriptive color, that is something that comes from their own minds. There are people who can find something negative in just about anything; don't you know some of them? This usually comes from their personal life experiences...and has nothing to do with others, especially an entire race of people who they don't even know!

Yes, I did read those posts, and to me, as well as you and others, it was an obviouse point - but we're not talking about brazilian blacks, spanish blacks or russion blacks. We don't call cigarettes fags in this country. Then again, your absolutely right, and everything is manifested in one's mind only - but we can't dismiss the fact that not of all us have the awareness or the ability to resist mental influences, whether cultural, societal or lingual. In the end, we are all simple beings, it's the journey that we incessantly make complicated.

The n word is a good example. It has been embraced by the community for longer the black word, and we all know, it's meaning hasn't changed a bit. Nor has it's offenseable attribute.

I agree with you on that...yet, you can find psychiatric wards full of sick people whose parents called them crappy words while they grew up...not good at all to use abusive words. But, once again, a very old word bestowed upon a people by American whites, not by themselves.

Nothing can be bestowed, that isn't accepted. Which is precisely what I think the OP has done - rejected those words that make him feel how he doesn't want to feel. Regardless of whose mouth they're uttered from. Can't fault a man for that.

For many Blacks, myself included, it is difficult to consider assimilating into such a brutal and heartless society. For American Blacks and Native Americans, who received the brunt of this American Beastiality, the incidents won't stop coming. Just when you think it's okay to go back into the water...

Perhaps a shortcoming of mine, but what I read here from you, is not a brutal and heartless society, but rather whites. Let's face it, white people are crazy, but the black community has hardly set a better example. Bottom line is all people are crazy. Wealthy majorites are proven to be heartless and brutal and poor minorities are proven to be heartless and brutal. It's a power struggle, and the same up-down and down-up rhetoric has never changed. Probably never will.

This reminds me of the high school bully who made our lives miserable...do you join him in terrorizing others? Or do you try to get help against him and organize opposition? If generations of people continue to be forced to organize opposition, sooner or later you will find that being like the Bully is not a desired attribute. Don't you agree? Understanding this and equating this to the Black Experience in America is similar to you walking a mile in this man's shoes...

I agree wholeheartedly. Herein lies the difference between the type of opposition offered by MLK and the opposition offered by Carmichael. MLK didn't want to rid himself of the school, he wanted to educate the bully. Carmichael wanted to burn the school down with the bully inside. You touch on this perhaps intentionally or not below.

The Bully is not desired in civil society, but no, getting rid of the Bully is an impossible dream...the Bully must learn to live in a civilized manner, so the opposition can cease...even though many Blacks are battle-weary, many whites deny the presence of the Bully, though they luxuriate in the "spoils" brought home by the pilferings of the Bully (whether from America or other countries, e.g. Iraq).

I think it's safe to say, if the roles were reversed, their would still be a bully and bullied. Sudan, Venezuala, China..take your pick, this behavior is hardly owned exclusively by whites.

To me, successful Blacks are people who have surmounted enormous obstacles to achieve, and it's a great positive. I consider myself successful, and have not trampled anyone for my success. Remember that success is defined in many ways, such as:

-Material goods
-Love, Family & Happiness
-Prestige, Respect
-Peace of Mind, Clarity
-A Sense of Objective and Success in a Chosen Field

This, and everthing you said below it, is spot on. The views and opinions of labeled Toms is apparently as diverse as anything else. I suppose I'll never really understand it, I just don't have the proper perspective - but nevertheless, I feel for successful (as defined by our society) black americans. They must be some of the loneliest people in this country.

In a nutshell, a rose is still a rose...by any other name, Black is just a color, and will never be more than that.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. To me, and apparently the OP, black can mean much more than just a color.

[edit on 12-7-2007 by CSIfan]

Satansque,

I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree with you here. It does indeed seem like everytime a group of younger black teens get together Mr. Violence finds himself in the middle of that group.

I believe the problem is, most young black people have chosen to live the stereotype instead of living the life of a respectable human being.

Since you lived through the days of being judged because of the color of your skin, I"m sure you take pride in the fact that you are "colored" AND the fact that you are a decent member of your society.

Unfortunately, people like TruthSeeka seem to go out of their way to live that stereotype of the hardcore thuggish "gangsta" that wishes he could be "Scarface". I find it pretty pathetic to disgrace ones own heritage that way.

I'm pretty sure that the real leaders of the civil rights movement that actually WANTED and YEARNED for their equality (and FOUGHT equally as hard for it) wouldn't have appreciated the total lack of self respect of most young black people today.

Thank you for posting this and showing your pride in your self and your race. Self respect is one of the few things we own that can't be taken from us, only thrown away.


I would shoot you some applause if I were able. Instead, you get the star.


Jasn

There have been some pretty good posts on this thread and also what I consider some pretty bad posts on this thread.

Nonetheless it has been a long read and now I am going to put in my two cents to give some information for the consideration of the readers and posters on this thread.

First and foremost...to define ones self by ones race is to me a pretty dumb idea. I cannot understand the rationale for this with the exception that certain peoples/races can be identified and cultivated as a easily emotional control group. By this I mean that a group can be controlled and cultivated/harvested as a voting block by a particular political party. Guaranteed, malliable, controlable, predictable votes at election time.
Fractionating by race is the tool to acomplish this feat.

Someone posted or alluded to this concept as being more fractionating rather than uniting. I agree with this. This should be obvious. This same tack is being tried with Mexican Americans today and for the same reasons. My prediction in this is that these two groups will come into conflict in the future to see who will be the biggest "Victim" for votes and government handouts at the pleasure of certain political partys.

I am going to demonstrate how race is a dumb idea and used or misused to deceive us into thinking a certain way or manner as have some on this thread already posted.
This requires much more than a "victimization" view of history to understand this concept and also one not likely to be taught in public schools dependent on the political will/financing of those needing this vicitim view of history.

At one time I surfed the Yahoo rooms in the chat for intelligent, viable, reasonable content. Dont bother trying this ..it is mostly glands and alot of wildlife in there. This is one of the computer experiences which drove me to seek out something like ATS.
ONe of the rooms I stumbled across..was a white power room. I sat back and watched the wildlife carrying on and realized that these folks were as nutty as many of the coloured radicals.
In attempting to explain some things to them...they became as vehement and passionate as some of the posters here.

What I tried to explain to them about history and race was that the so called white peoples/races...before 1500 AD...anywhere in the world..lived as poor and in some cases poorer than most other people/races...anywhere. Almost all of them had only one suit of clothes..and that was on. not much need for a closet or dresser. If they even had a second set it was the Sunday go to meeting type and seldom worn. They were not likely to travel more than 20 miles from thier homes ever in their lifetimes. This was the so called superior white race??? Surely you jest??

My point in all of this which is missing from most history books is that the white man or white race always had his race..so before 1500 AD it helped him not at all..anywhere in the world. A few people in these white feudal nations had a little the rest had almost nothing. This was the status of the famed white man in 1500AD.

Obviously what happened to the white man cannot be attributed to his race. That is my point in all of this. When I see people boasting of thier race I want to puke..no matter who it is. What changed the white man was not his race..nothing to do with it for he always had his race. The sad thing here is that so many have fallen for the placebo of race and spend some nine pages debating a sugar pill...a placebo.

Not very bright people.

Both coloured and white have fallen for this....en toto. Not bright.

What I believe and to which the OP is refering is the colour of a persons heart...not the colour of their skin.

I also believe the OP is trying to explain that education helps us who use this format of education to expand our vocabularys, our understandings, our wisdoms away from mere four letter words into a larger arena where the thought, understanding, and discriptive possibilitys are endless. I agree with the OP here. Race is not a excuse or justification for ignorance.. in any race.

For a person to constantly beat on the race drums tells me that person is a racist...no matter who or whom is doing it.

I do not spend time or energy boasting or taking pride in my race. I think this is a ignorant point for someone to make. However ....If this is all you have ...it is a pitiful point on which to boast or in which to take pride. Bon Appetit! I think people are so much more than race. You just have to teach yourself to spot it. It takes some work..education even!!! Wow!! Imagine that!!??

Do not allow yourself to get stuck on the RACE PLACEBO. For many peoples out here..it is the very best they can do.

And yes..as some here have clearly indicated..the media are pimps in this race placebo prostitution while shilling for their fractionating political partys. Teach/educate yourself to step off of this treadmill too.


Thanks to all for thier posts,
Orangetom

This is a question for satanque, When you came up with your religious stance did you do any readings from previous religions in terms of a basis for your stance now.