Legal Affidavit: Walter Haut Discloses Roswell Truth (released after death)

Originally posted by yeti101
schuyler, i refer you to my previous posts, i wont waste anymore time on the charlatan friedman.

Ok. I did. Not only did I read every post one of your posts on this thread, but also on one other extensive 'smoking gun' thread where the only time you mentioned Friedman was when his words supported your point. The fact is, at least on the posts I read, you don't address Friedman as a hoaxer at all. Referring to your previous posts did not shed any light on this issue, I'm afraid.

On this thread, my point is that although Friedman does believe a saucer crashed at Roswell, as far as the MJ-12 documents are concerned (the ones that were sent to Cooper) he supports your position that they are fakes. So whether or not you want to waste time on him, you really have not proven he is a charlatan, hoaxer, or any other name you want to call him. I'm perfectly willing to listen to your aguments on Roswell, but you can't dismiss Friedman so casually. You're accusing him of being an intentionally bad guy. Now prove it.


[edit on 6/20/2007 by schuyler]

Hi Infinate, I do agree that National Security would come into play, but why even worry about what 40 or 50 people living in the area not military at the time saw or thought they saw. Surely if they had of said anything they would have been silenced immediatly. Didnt they tell Brazel to shut up and the local coroner to keep quiet. instead the Military puts it in every news paper and radio station in the area. Seems to me someone messed up initially. Anyway point taken and thanks for the insight.

I agree with Mr. Lear that the Military who witnessed the events would be scared to death to reveal anything they saw out of fear for thier futures. I am ex Army and was stationed at White Sands/ Holloman AFB and there are things i still cant talk about that i saw out there. I was a crew chief on a UH-1 and it was my flight crews job to fly the generals and big wigs to the various test areas. So i do have some knowledge of what is out there so to speak.

Is it just me or do there seem to be a rash of disclosues on Roswell and they all coincide with its 60th annivsary.?

This one states it will be released in two weeks which is right around the 4th and then we had This about the book written by a son of an individual who was there and they both mention the final discloure or something very similar.

Seems rather odd to me in fact it smells of ching ching let the cash register ring.

Originally posted by shots
Is it just me or do there seem to be a rash of disclosues on Roswell and they all coincide with its 60th annivsary.?

I agree the timeing is prob for some gain but even that shouldnt take away from what really went down 60 years ago. The people who do know what happened have been berated for the past 60 years, called liars and crazy etc. I say if they can make 10 cents for thier pain and suffering so be it. Why not profit a little. Everyone else on this planet does it so why not roswell to.

[edit on 20-6-2007 by geemony]

I hear what you are saying Shots, in the fact that there have been a couple of recent revelations made by both Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. and the release of the new Haut 2002 Affadavit.

I'm not sure about the money end of the deal, as I'm sure someone will make some off of it, but I do know that these documents were not be released until after his death. The full Haut document will be in July's UFO Magazine, followed by being in this or another post on ATS. Money certainly won't be made off of me or you, though I am grateful for new information. What I do find most interesting is that many peoples stories are starting to come together in verification that something crashed that day and it was not a weather balloon.

Originally posted by geemony

So i do have some knowledge of what is out there so to speak.

Thanks for your comments geemony. The White Sands/Holloman area has been cleverly downplayed for many years. I few years ago a friend of mine was flying his T-6 from back east to Van Nuys. On a Sunday he got to the range and decided to chance flying across it. He looked down and saw what he described as an 'honest to God huge James Bond dome'. Thanks for the post.

You mean other than having to deal with the same avalanche of ridicule that Adamski, Menger, Betherum and others did?

Please tell me you don't believe Adamski....the man published a fictional story that exactly mirrors his alleged encounter years before the encounter even took place!!!

As for the affidavit....

Read it closely...

At no time does he say he witnessed the debris. The only thing of value here is:

1. Blanchard ordered the press release - we knew this.

2. Marcel claimed the material was switched - Yeti is correct in that Marcel has changed his story on this depending on which account you go by. However, if the debris was mixed (some actual, some balloon), this would be supported, but that's reaching...even for me, a Roswell supporter. Dubose (one of the other three men in the photos) has also sworn about a materials switch and some being actual debris, so who knows?

3. His feeling that Marcel would not be mistaken on the origin of the debris - we knew this too, from both Marcel's record, and other officers' testimony.

There really is no new info here, and the timing is of course...just smacking of publicity stunt. Thanks to the poster for bringing it up though

"He looked down and saw what he described as an 'honest to God huge James Bond dome"


Hi John, I think that is the HELSTF facility. High Energy Laser Test Facility and no its not a secret anymore that its there, so i dont mind sharing.

Take care

The fact that they are selling a book means that they are out for the cash. Exploitation baby! if they really wanted to inform the public, they would have set up a web site.

Originally posted by geemony
"He looked down and saw what he described as an 'honest to God huge James Bond dome"


Hi John, I think that is the HELSTF facility. High Energy Laser Test Facility and no its not a secret anymore that its there, so i dont mind sharing.

Take care

Yeah. It's pretty hot, too.
They're developing chemical-based laser weapons. Scifi at its best!

First off, I'm not taking sides on this in any way. But, I have read through many posts here and on other threads about the "evil" of tying something to an event, especially one that has anything to do with filthy lucre.

Is there much of any action in the modern world that has no aspect of money somewhere? If we want to or not, money plays a role in just about all we do.

But more importantly, if I had some announcement that I wanted to get out to the masses, I would likely pick an audience that I thought might be receptive. In this case one that had a built in inclination to accept the idea of "hidden news". I certainly wouldn't round up a room full of skeptics, and get booed off the podium before I got started.

I think that it would be natural to find some venue that would attract a crowd of people that wanted to at least hear what I had to say.

As I said earlier in this post, I'm not taking sides on this issue, simply reading to learn whatever I can. I mention this as it is a side issue that comes up so often, and is not really of much value in deciding the merts of the items in question.

$0.02 please.

Originally posted by johnlear
You mean other than having to deal with the same avalanche of ridicule that Adamski, Menger, Betherum and others did?

Yeah, poor Bethurum. Here he was just a normal mechanic-type guy out in the desert who comes across a saucer (a "scow") whose captain is a Latin-looking bombshell who wears a short red dress, a short-sleeved black velvet blouse, and black beret trimmed in red, with big brown eyes and who has a blick shrit house figure who says she is from Clarion, a planet on the other side of the moon so we can't see it, populated by a peaceful people who are all Christians and attend Sunday church regularly. they also speak perfect English, albeit in rhyme.

And yes, this is documented in "Aboard a Flying Saucer," by Truman Bethurum, Los Angeles: DeVorss & Co., Publishers, 1954, 192pp., which I have in my collection. Jut re-read it last week, in fact.

An avalanche of ridicule, indeed. How dare they? He was such a nice man.

Yeah. It's pretty hot, too.
They're developing chemical-based laser weapons. Scifi at its best!

I once saw them light it up and from 100 miles away they blew up a target by bouncing the laser off mirrors that were positioned around the tularosa basin. Very cutting edge technology and that was nearly 20 years ago.

[edit on 20-6-2007 by geemony]

Originally posted by behindthescenes

Yeah. It's pretty hot, too.
They're developing chemical-based laser weapons. Scifi at its best!

Do you have a picture of the dome?

Originally posted by johnlear
Do you have a picture of the dome?

John here is a link to a picture of the site itself is that the dome you are speaking of at the bottom of the picture?

helstf-www.wsmr.army.mil...

helstf-www.wsmr.army.mil...

[edit on 20-6-2007 by geemony]

Originally posted by infinite8
What I do find most interesting is that many peoples stories are starting to come together in verification that something crashed that day and it was not a weather balloon.

I understand what you are saying and I fully agree. However is it really verfication of a landing or just more hype to make the cash register ring?

Had these taken place 6 or 12 months ago I might have said well great now we are getting somewhere, but when they all come out on the 60th anniversary Uh Uh, I smell something rotten in Denmark and it ain't fish.

There is one bright side though we get to see two versions winthin days it will be interesting to see how they compare if nothing else

Originally posted by Gazrok
As for the affidavit....

Read it closely...

At no time does he say he witnessed the debris. The only thing of value here is:

1. Blanchard ordered the press release - we knew this.

2. Marcel claimed the material was switched - Yeti is correct in that Marcel has changed his story on this depending on which account you go by. However, if the debris was mixed (some actual, some balloon), this would be supported, but that's reaching...even for me, a Roswell supporter. Dubose (one of the other three men in the photos) has also sworn about a materials switch and some being actual debris, so who knows?

3. His feeling that Marcel would not be mistaken on the origin of the debris - we knew this too, from both Marcel's record, and other officers' testimony.

There really is no new info here, and the timing is of course...just smacking of publicity stunt. Thanks to the poster for bringing it up though

Gazrok, the Affadavit that I posted was an old one, NOT the one that is to be released in 2 weeks. Yes in the old affadavit Lt. Haut does not make a claim of seeing the debris nor of seeing the craft. It is only in the details of the "to be released" 2002 Affadavit that we will see the details of what he really saw. He was afraid to come forward and state the debris he handled as well as the craft and bodies that he saw in Hangar 84. I do agree with you that he stated he did not see anything in the old affadavit.

Sad to say, but too much time has passed. Even if ten people came forward and said they say such and such, it wouldn't make much difference.

I'm not saying that it's not worth knowing, one way or the other. But no matter what is said, short of physical proof, nobody will much care.

It's the same thing as the JFK murder. If some 90 year old admitted on his death bed that the CIA hired him to be a backup shooter on the grassy knoll, the news would pass off the front page in a couple of days.

It wasn't that long ago that I heard of a guy who showed that one of Abe Lincoln's bodyguards was paid to be downstairs drinking when Boothe did the deed. He had a lot of "proof", though I too just read it lightly, and didn't research it. Nobody really cared.

If you can keep a lie long enough, nobody will pay much attention. A few people, like us, might be glad to know, but I doubt most people would do more than say, "OK, so?"

Originally posted by geemony

John here is a link to a picture of the site itself is that the dome you are speaking of at the bottom of the picture?

helstf-www.wsmr.army.mil...

I don't see any dome in this picture and in any case the dome my friend saw was in the mountains not in a flat area and it was huge, not just a dinky little tent with an airconditioner propped up on it.



And there was nothing else around. I will try and find the map he marked because he was very sure of where it was.