Are you ready? New Drone pics.

IMO, I also think that this set of pictures is a copycat attempt by someone jumping on the drone bandwagon. These pics are not related to the original set of pictures.

A few more inconsistencies with the current set of 5 pictures,
which are overlayed over each other:



1. I think, if this thing rotates as fast as it seems to, then there should be some motion blur at the edges of the arms.

2. Notice how the drippy thing sticking out of the drone at the bottom is aligned at a perfect plumbline?

How does one align a picture so perfect, with a shaky handheld camera within a few seconds, that all drippy thing are exactly paralell?

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As far as lawsuits go, I do not understand the reasoning. There are several people who have mentioned suing, and there have been several reasons given. I would like to know what case you think can be made. I use "you" here generically. Don't take it personally.

Reason 1: Although the drones have not been seen by very many people, pictures have been posted on ATS and it has been discussed on C2C as if they were real. This COULD have caused a mass panic where people COULD have been hurt or maybe lost some business, therefore we should sue because these things COULD have happened.

Counterclaim: But there has been no panic. Distribution of the drone pics has been on places like ATS, hardly mainstream.

Reason 2: Several people have devoted hours of time to reseaching the drones. If they turn out to have been a viral marketing campaign then a lot of time has been wasted on this. People deserve compensation for their time, therefore a lawsuit is justified.

Counterclaim: If you go back to the first page of the first thread on the C2C Drones you will find numerous people pointing out that the drones are fake. This includes people like David Biedney and jritzmann who are acknowledged experts in the field of imagery.

Yet you chose to continue to believe and to continue to research the issue because you have an 'open mind' and thought 'the jury was still out.' When it was pointed out that the craft are aerodynamically impossible you hotly contested that they could have an anti-gravity drive, therefore any aerodynamic criticism was invalid. You continued to chose to believe. When it was pointed out that the lettering on the craft was in no known language or lettering, either fictional or not, you either proclaimed it was Japanese katana or ancient elohim and you knew how to read it, or you dismissed the issue and continued to believe. Some people, such as Linda Moulton Howe, actually proclaimed a labeled fake drone on YouTube as real! Maybe she should be sued for stupidity.

Now, I don't think any lawsuit has a snowball's chance. A criminal prosecutor will not take the case; he'd lose his next election. A plain civil lawsuit would not be feasible. You want money because you foolishly wasted your time? What lawyer would take you on contingency? Third, a class-action lawsuit has to be certified by a judge, and it takes more than three people to have been 'harmed' to do it. That's even more unlikely. In other words, the suit-happy among us won't get to first base with this. You're deluding yourself. A moth has a greater chance of becoming an energy anchor being than this suit has of getting off the ground.

However, on the off-chance that a lawsuit is actually brought to trial, I would certainly love to be a witness on the corporate side to show how silly the whole idea is. I will commit to paying for an airline ticket anywhere in the USA, plus pay for my own lodging in any city in the country and offer to be a witness entirely at my own expense for the opportunity of pointing out that the falsity of the drones was known on the first page of the first thread. In other words, not only will I personally critcize the idea of a lawsuit, I will be an active opponent of any such lawsuit. You, sir, have opposition. (However, I think I won't be packing just yet.)

I will also be able to show that the ATS community as a whole explored several possibilities before concluding the drones are a part of a viral campaign, and that though some individuals wound up looking more foolish than they would have liked, ATS as a whole did exactly what it proclaims to do: Deny Ignorance.

Now for the end game.


[edit on 6/18/2007 by schuyler]

lawsuits on the grounds of stupidity, were it feasible, would certainly be a growth industry, here in the US.

I agree, no court would consider this one.

The 'drones' are just what they are, pictures of something, faked or otherwise, and if we want to take the time to examine them, then it's our time we waste. Or not. If they did, by some snowball's chance, prove to be artifacts of some sort, then everyone here would want their name attached to the 'discovery'.

"You pays your money, and you takes your chances."

Well the way I see it that this if were to be a viral marketing, is rudely targeting peoples believe system. Like all believe systems ufology has it's extreme cases and we know there are alot of those. To them this might be the first signs of impending invasion, they might as well gone out and bought emergency supplies with their last savings and kids college funds or something. As I said before, if this were a marketing strategy and they would choose the religious audience instead, noone would be surprised of a lawsuit. This would be a bad abuse of believes, and even though the world is filled with targeting marketing that playes on peoples believes I'd say this would cross the line.
Btw, the images alone, they might as well be art, but the accompanying testimony, that's were the deception would cross the line.

But they haven't sold you anything. So they told you a lie. How can you prove even that?

They said they saw something, and that they took pictures. They freely gave the pictures, or copies, to others. If we look at the pictures, it's our own choice, nobody made us.

As I said before, if this were a marketing strategy and they would choose the religious audience instead, noone would be surprised of a lawsuit.

Sure and if they would target.....hm.....let's say "the Rap industry", everyone would laugh. No Sir, i strongly disagree in equating aliens with religion or putting it even in the same category.

Also i don't see a good marketing effort in targeting ATS, i mean, we're quite on the crazy side, but not that influential as we would deserve

I agree... i think a lawsuit is frivolous.... What are the damages caused?

Anyone who feels they have wasted their time on this has done so on the own accord.
Since these 'drones' have not appeared on major network news causing panic in the streets, I don't think there is a case...

Its like taking your kids to an R rated movie, and then trying to sue when they have nightmares... Or suing because Playboy models don't look good in real life...

What ever the origin of the drone images (I hesitate to call them "photos" anymore) I think that at some point we will be inundated with similar style hoaxes and will miss a possible 'real' ufo. Maybe thats the Cointelpro style disinformation being spoken about recently.

Who knows?
Doc Moreau

P.S. Do we have any more proof of anything besides that there are some images with some crazy mechanical thing pasted into them, and a whole bunch of possible red herrings?

1) I'm not seeing how the craft is "lining up" in those overlaid pictures. It looks like it bobs around to me. Also I don't get the points people are making about the leaves being the same in every picture. If it's not windy, what do you expect? Leaves don't just move around on their own.

Also, we're dealing with some damn lo-res pictures here, has anyone tried to get higher-res scans out of LMH? She says she has actual photos, so she should be able to provide a hell of a lot more detial than she's given us so far. Conclusively claiming that two pictures are identical based on 72 dpi scans is pretty bad. ATS should have higher standards than that.

2) Anyone who thinks we could sue over this is insane. No one asked you to "research" this. I dunno about anyone else, but I come to ATS for entertainment and (to some degree) "education" on non-mainstream topics. I don't come here beacuse it's my job or because I have some obligation to do so. If you think your time has been wasted, you've got no one to blame but yourself. That mean ol' hoaxer came into our houses, put a gun to our heads, and forced us to look up Klingon fonts all day!

Seriously, does personal accontability just not exist anymore? Grow up.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Well the way I see it that this if were to be a viral marketing, is rudely targeting peoples believe system. Like all believe systems ufology has it's extreme cases and we know there are alot of those. To them this might be the first signs of impending invasion, they might as well gone out and bought emergency supplies with their last savings and kids college funds or something.

First, it's not illegal to be rude, and that's an opinion anyway. Secondly, you are speculating wildly. The operative word is MIGHT as in "MIGHT have bought emergency supplies." You're just making this stuff up. You don't know that this has happened. It also MIGHT be the case that NO ONE has purchased emergency supplies after seeing drone pictures. Besides, what's wrong with having emergency supplies on hand? You mean, you don't? Why not? That sounds more rational to me than paying for an English degree.

Found this on C2C, linked to Earthfiles. Could this be a new toy belonging to NASA?

A new twist on the story?

Indeed, I was looking at the e-mail section of earthfiles and saw a letter with some pics. Take a look at this pic.


Under the image on the site it says. "Early concept of the Magnetically Levitated Ducted Fan, courtesy NASA".

Another pic, under the pic it claims it's a small-scale levitation model rotor, courtesy NASA.



Heres the third pic. Small-scale levitation model stator, courtesy NASA.



I'm not sure what to make of this, but heres a link... www.grc.nasa.gov...

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Originally posted by Mekanic
Found this on C2C, linked to Earthfiles. Could this be a new toy belonging to NASA?

A new twist on the story?

And it can have a link to any of the 140 sites google returns.
All he has found is some junk (binary) characters matching his query. People are stretching this too far now

ooohhh look! the guy has added more crap onto his mobile that he's building. Nice modern art. hope you don't plan on hanging it in your living room. THat is one ugly UFO. Personally I'm not too hip with the transmission gears or whatever that he glued onto the side of the stupid thing. I mean he should have just left it like it was a week ago. Much cleaner lines...prettier. He seems to have made the same mistake lots of artists make by not putting the work down. he instead keeps adding to it, diluting it making it not such great art anymore not that it ever was good art to begin with.

Originally posted by rocksolidbrain

Originally posted by Mekanic
Found this on C2C, linked to Earthfiles. Could this be a new toy belonging to NASA?

A new twist on the story?

And it can have a link to any of the 140 sites google returns.
All he has found is some junk (binary) characters matching his query. People are stretching this too far now

I agree... this is stretching it quite a bit. It actually looks like the binary make-up of an image, like when you try to open an image file with notepad.

Yeah, now it's just getting silly. I think we need more pictures of the underside on the current beefed up model. Googling random characters is not really going to provide much... I think it's just a coincidence that it pointed to something related to Nasa.

It could be a hoax, it could be a viral ad campaign and it's actually a flying vending machine for a new Pepsi commercial or...it could actually be a government drone designed to monitor citizens. It's not unlikely, since the government doesn't hide the fact that it has and uses drones.

Regardless though, none of those scenarios alarm me in the slightest.

I know my own impressions tell me this this is certainly no UFO, so if it's a man-made drone I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I've seen flying objects that were equally as weird created and tested by our government.

So Kudos to the "Man" for his drone upgrade!
Happy spying.

p.s. It's probably a hoax tho.

Whoever it belongs to, provided it's real, as close as it lets people get, I think it could be captured.

A couple of model rockets, some rope and a good strong net.

Then, if it is alien, you're rich, and if it's government property, you're rich.

Ya know, that link I posted above about the Magnetically Levitated Ducted Fan, was written by Dawn C. Emerson. He/she has an e-mail address on that page, perhaps some one should shoot an e-mail with the pics of this "Drone", and ask about it. We just don't know if we'll get the truth, or even a response.
Heres the e-mail if someone wants to give it a shot. [email protected]


[edit on 18-6-2007 by Slash]

The longer we keep posting these pictures, the more of ATS's resources are being devoted to making us an unpaid corporate shill.

Let's leave the marketing to the suits, guys.

Guys, don't kid around! This thing is serious! Didn't you see those manacing spikes? Its dsigned to sort of float down over vitims and either poke them with poison darts or drop its ring over them like a cigar cutter end circimcise their heads. I for one am very scared of this new DoD project. But it's also very coolly stylized and strangely beautiful, ike gothic clockwork of old, and fills me with a strange desrie to go work for DARPA.