President Bush's Watch Stolen or Not? While Shaking Hands - Live Video

Sauron you are right about the watch. As to the question of why secret service allowed Mr. Bush to go through the public there, the answer is simple: He is dearly loved in Albania. In fact he is on three of their monetary exchange pieces with his 'likeness' on them, and he is revered as a political hero. There are actually a quite few countries where President Bush is safer walking down the street than here in the U.S. In fact, because of our dynamics, probably most. Bush has done much for the country of Albania. And he is a hero there. The 'Love' is obvious in the faces of those in the crowd, and Bush knew he was safe.

Originally posted by gekko
Case closed??? As it stands, I can see no conclusive evidence either way.

Did you watch the bottom video in this post?

Originally posted by theutahbigfoothunter
He is dearly loved in Albania.

You're not getting it. Yes, we know Albania loves him. But why would his security just trust that? Would they not be suspicious of a plant in the crowd? If not, they're not doing their job!

The USA loved JFK, too.

Black people loved Martin Luther King.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Did you watch the bottom video in this post?

I see what you mean. No one can be sure, but you're probably right.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by theutahbigfoothunter
He is dearly loved in Albania.

You're not getting it. Yes, we know Albania loves him. But why would his security just trust that? Would they not be suspicious of a plant in the crowd? If not, they're not doing their job!

The USA loved JFK, too.

Black people loved Martin Luther King.

Did anybody read my post? Is not him that people love, is USA. And stop with that BS about Albania beiing an myslim country. By origine we're all cristians. Unfortunately 500 years under otoman occupation islam was forced to the population. In other words is just a frase myslim. That percentage considered myslim don't give a damn about religion. Besides 50 years comunisem the religion was prohibited. Now you have 70 % agnostics and not religious people. The rest are catholics and orthodoks .

Originally posted by Telos
Did anybody read my post?

I did. And I see what you're saying. You're saying that Albania, as a country, loves the USA. That doesn't necessarily translate to EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Albania can be trusted to love and admire our president. ESPECIALLY from the perspective of those whose job it is to keep him safe (the Secret Service). They get paid NOT to trust people. They swear their lives to protect him. They aren't going to take the chance of sending him into a throng of people NO MATTER WHO they are. And they shouldn't.

And stop with that BS about Albania beiing an myslim country.

The World Factbook says it's 70% Muslim. That's where I got my information. Can you show me a credible source that refutes this?

It doesn't really matter to me what religion they are. What matters is the perception of the Secret Service.

Wikipedia

Today, with the freedom of religion and worship, Albania contains numerous religions and denominations; however, within a muslim majority that may amount to 75% of the total population.

Regardless the actual percentage, the president doesn't even act like that IN HIS OWN COUNTRY of people who elected him. Not even when all the people are screened. It isn't logical that he would act like that in a group of strangers in a strange land, no matter how much they love the USA.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Regardless the actual percentage, the president doesn't even act like that IN HIS OWN COUNTRY of people who elected him. Not even when all the people are screened. It isn't logical that he would act like that in a group of strangers in a strange land, no matter how much they love the USA.

I'm with Benevolent Heretic, and others here. I doubt they SS relax even when they have George down home on the farm. IMOP, I can think of only one conclusion, the photo op was just that a staged photo op.
Please I'm not discounting the fact that there could/is respect for the POTUS.
But come on, just letting George loose?


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Originally posted by Sauron


Now I think the real story here is as others have mentioned, Why did his security team let the POTUS loose in the crowed. How did they come to believe it was safe to do so?

Remember President Bill Clinton's visit to India and he went to the crowd and was mobbed by the crowd before the Secret Service could react and reorient themselves to protect him. It was during his visit to the two states, Pakistan and India.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic


I did. And I see what you're saying. You're saying that Albania, as a country, loves the USA. That doesn't necessarily translate to EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Albania can be trusted to love and admire our president. ESPECIALLY from the perspective of those whose job it is to keep him safe (the Secret Service). They get paid NOT to trust people. They swear their lives to protect him. They aren't going to take the chance of sending him into a throng of people NO MATTER WHO they are. And they shouldn't.

According to who? Can't you accept that your american viewpoint is not the only one and not necesarely the right one?

Today, with the freedom of religion and worship, Albania contains numerous religions and denominations; however, within a muslim majority that may amount to 75% of the total population.

I'm repeating. Statistically that's the right number. Realisticly nobody gives a damn about myslim religion. Being myslim is only something unfortunately inherited from turk occupation. When you ear myslim keep in mind there is no way a comparison with arabic countries or real myslim countries. Islam there is not a tradition and is not a modus vivendi. Far from it is only a cyst left in the country after Ottoman Empire left in 1912.

Regardless the actual percentage, the president doesn't even act like that IN HIS OWN COUNTRY of people who elected him. Not even when all the people are screened. It isn't logical that he would act like that in a group of strangers in a strange land, no matter how much they love the USA.

I know is hard to believe and looks far fetched but other then my words and explaination can't give u more. As albanian I understand and o me doesn't look strange at all. In the capital city, Tirana there were more the 200.000 people cheering for him. You can fake a group of persons, maybe a few hundreds but no hundred of thousands of people. I wish I knew that this controversy would have come up so I could have suggested to everybody to follow the satelite channels and to watch it with your own eyes.

Take Care.

Originally posted by deltaboy
Remember President Bill Clinton's visit to India and he went to the crowd and was mobbed by the crowd before the Secret Service could react and reorient themselves to protect him.

It was during his visit to the two states, Pakistan and India.

Well Delta I must have missed the part about Bill Clinton in this thread, could you point it out to me,



[edit on 13/6/2007 by Sauron]

Originally posted by deltaboy
Remember President Bill Clinton's visit to India

Put very simply, we're living in a different country and a different world than when Clinton was our president. Bush's War on Terror and Bush himself, have drastically changed the way the world views us. (except for the entirety of Albania, of course)

And... Mr. Bush is no Bill Clinton.

Two Presidents' Trips to India

Clinton in India:



Bush in India:

Bush's watch wasn't stolen. You can clearly see that he turns to the side and takes it off.

What IS strange is that the secret service allowed him to get so close to these folks. Anything could happened .. as in assassination. Or perhaps 'someone' (those that really run the world) has decided it is time to allow that? There isn't much more time for the Zero Year Curse to take place.

He's lucky all he lost

was his Timex. hee hee

Originally posted by FlyersFan
What IS strange is that the secret service allowed him to get so close to these folks. Anything could happened .. as in assassination. Or perhaps 'someone' (those that really run the world) has decided it is time to allow that? There isn't much more time for the Zero Year Curse to take place.

That very well may be, can I quote you on that?






[edit on 13/6/2007 by Sauron]

Originally posted by Sauron
That very well may be, can I quote you on that?

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sure, I guess so. It's just a thought.
Kinda' makes sense. At least to me it does.

I still say its being used as a mojo for Santerial rituals-= See, they need something personal in order to do him REAL harm.

3 pages of Bush watch stolen.

Lets just see if there's a hex coming up for that Timex.

I know, i know, if wishes were horses.......

Originally posted by dgtempe
I still say its being used as a mojo for Santerial rituals-= See, they need something personal in order to do him REAL harm.

3 pages of Bush watch stolen.

Lets just see if there's a hex coming up for that Timex.

I know, i know, if wishes were horses.......

Well 3 pages but what is the final verdict? Was it Stolen or not? Some people are absolutely sure it wasn't stolen and some say it was.

Can we really make a claim that it was stolen with the small clip of footage we have?

Realtruth, Did you watch the bottom video in this post?

That's why I'm going with the "not stolen" camp.

And a lot of this thread actually wasn't about the watch at all, but why the pres was allowed to be thrust into a mob of "strangers" in a strange land, when his security doesn't even allow that kind of contact with his buddies in Congress.

Hey! I wonder if that was even him! That would explain it!

[edit on 15-6-2007 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic


And a lot of this thread actually wasn't about the watch at all, but why the pres was allowed to be thrust into a mob of "strangers" in a strange land, when his security doesn't even allow that kind of contact with his buddies in Congress.

I agree with you and the rest this is amazing the SS let him roam around so freely in a foreign country, whether he is loved there or not.