Police, SWAT Team Surround Ed Brown's Property

Originally posted by 11Bravo

Peaceful men dont have guns, and I believe Mr. Brown is an athiest.

Heh?... So everyone who has a gun, rifle etc is not peaceful?...it is just a gunho waiting to snap?...

I don't agree with you on that.

BTW, everyone who is claiming the income tax is illegal...how do everyone of you think that the streets, can be fixed? or the highways, how do every state pay for estate employees? How do federal employees get paid? And yes, even the military....

I guess everyone of you think that a country, as large as the U.S., doesn't need protection, it doesn't need to clean up the streets, or maintain the streets, etc, etc...

Or maybe most of you think that money grows on trees?.... Yep, i think that's it....

Well I stated a few pages back how the US DOT collects in excess of $1 billion of their 2007 budget just in the $0.42/gallon consumption tax on gasoline and diesel.

Each state also has their own consumption tax as percentage/gallon or a flat cents/gallon rate (depends on the state). Driver's License Fee's, Plate Fees, registration fees, and tolls. Police citations (speeding, no seat belt, DUI, etc.) Those are all state and local collections depending on who issued.

Federal import and export duties. Federal, State and Local taxes and fees on utilities (phone, electric, natural gas), Sin Taxes (alcohol, cigarettes), property taxes (state, local, local schools--in some areas), titles and deeds. And the biggest revenue of all Sales Taxes (state, local).

Another source of income on Federal, State, Local...Court fines and fees. How much money so far? No private citizen knows.

Now we can start in on Income Tax that goes to Federal, (State, Local and local schools in some areas---does not apply in all state and local governments, but it does where I live.) Amazingly enough, Ohio Income Tax law states that I only have to file if I have to file a Federal form, yet it does not make me automatically exempt from the school district income tax. It has been over 60 days and I am still waiting on the State refund.

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
Even though Bush's Amnesty for illegals coming into the USA was shot down, Congress still wants to debate it further before July 4th (Bush is trying to rescue it).

Getting pretty far afield from the thread. Besides, I don't have a can big enough for all the worms contained within this statement, MidnightDStroyer.

I think a link to another thread is in order here...In short, the US Marshal laying siege to the Browns has been ordered by the Tenth Circuit Court to back off.
It seems that somebody who knows the difference between Law & Code (& who knows jurisdiction of duty) has been paying attention.

We just may regain our Constitutionally granted Rights after all...

The main question is, "Will it be in time?"

[edit on 16-6-2007 by MidnightDStroyer]

I am in NH at the moment, and a few houses down from Ed Brown's property. You can't see the house, only the driveway, and I wouldn't want to see any further.

At night sometimes you can hear people shooting...they must think somebody is coming.

It is kind of nerve-racking...the guy isn't going to go down easily...

Good thing I'm leaving soon.

[edit on 1/7/2007 by enjoies05]

Originally posted by Muaddib
BTW, everyone who is claiming the income tax is illegal...how do everyone of you think that the streets, can be fixed? or the highways, how do every state pay for estate employees? How do federal employees get paid? And yes, even the military....

I guess everyone of you think that a country, as large as the U.S., doesn't need protection, it doesn't need to clean up the streets, or maintain the streets, etc, etc...

You ain't from around here are ya?
You need to go back and research.
I'm sure someone else will deny your ignorance.

Cheers for Ed and all the other Income Tax Protestors!
Cheers for a FairTax and the repeal of the 16th Amendment.

Dear Fellow Americans,

I think YOU should know this;

Income Tax Illegal Fraud

Income tax a fraud? Aaron Russo is the music and show business entrepreneur who has stepped out and produced a radical movie called "America: From Freedom to Fascism" which has received standing ovations in theatres from all around the country during its preview period.

Aaron Russo takes things quite a bit beyond where Michael Moore did, and attempts to explain in full detail that the there the US income tax is a fraud and that there is nothing in the tax code that says you have to pay tax on your labor.

Looks like mister Ed Brown is right.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Or maybe most of you think that money grows on trees?.... Yep, i think that's it....

Someone with 30,000 PTS points hasn’t heard any libertarian arguments? I find that hard to swallow.

You know the answer to your question, you just don’t agree it will work.

But thanks for the waste of time.

Originally posted by Muaddib
BTW, everyone who is claiming the income tax is illegal...how do everyone of you think that the streets, can be fixed? or the highways, how do every state pay for estate employees? How do federal employees get paid? And yes, even the military....

I guess everyone of you think that a country, as large as the U.S., doesn't need protection, it doesn't need to clean up the streets, or maintain the streets, etc, etc...

Or maybe most of you think that money grows on trees?.... Yep, i think that's it....

What's this? The income tax doesn't pay for these things, other taxes do though. The income tax has been around only since 1913, how the heck do you think we paid for those things before that?

Don't worry about it though, because you obviously don't mind the government robbing you blind...

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by 11Bravo

Peaceful men dont have guns, and I believe Mr. Brown is an athiest.

BTW, everyone who is claiming the income tax is illegal...how do everyone of you think that the streets, can be fixed? or the highways, how do every state pay for estate employees? How do federal employees get paid? And yes, even the military....

I guess everyone of you think that a country, as large as the U.S., doesn't need protection, it doesn't need to clean up the streets, or maintain the streets, etc, etc...

Or maybe most of you think that money grows on trees?.... Yep, i think that's it....

Hmmm what to think, I think this clearly shows that American Schoolsshould teach Civics and Govt. Let me answer your questions for you with a movie, and a few links to groups. I would tell you quckly that The streets are paid for by gas and tire taxes, NOT ONE DIME of the income taxes goes to the roads or schools or anything except to pay off the debt to the international bankers, that is a FACT. To your question if we think money grows on trees, I think one can only say YES, do you know how money is made? The Fed gets an order for 10 billion dollars, the fed tells the mint to print it and they do on PAPER, paper that has some WOOD in it, wood is from TREES. Now since they don't back the currency with anything one could sayUS Dollars literally grow on trees these days. This is where the infation taxcomes in. Do you know that the congress has the authority to print the money itself and INTEREST FREE? Why did they hand their authority over to agroup of international bankers and put us under debt through interest? Rothchilde said "Let me control a nations money and I care NOT who makes her laws".

PLEASE look at this doocumentary and the following links, and learn the truth...

Google Video Link

Freedom to Fascism

Cracking the Code

Freedom Force

PAC

The information in these sites will BLOW YOUR MIND, but is all documented, proven, an known to many. The Cracking the Code Book will, if you use it get you back every penny you have paid in income taxes and medicare and social security, by filing the right papers. The Documentary above is incredible, Aaron Russo (The Rose, Trading Places, Another 48 Hours, borught led Zepplin to America) goes on the hunt for the answer to one simple question. Is there a LAW that regular people have to pay Income Taxes, and if so show him the LAW. This information is being disseminated now and that is why you are starting to see protests like the Brown's, it is also the reason that you see many politicians saying lets scrap the tax code and IRS. Not the Ron Paul scraping which would get rid of the Federal Reseve too though. Those politicians want to codify taxes they are taking now, They seek to change it because they know that under the current LAW, most are not LIABLE to Income Taxes, they want to change that and make YOU LIABLE.

Edited to add this ***On the Military pay, the defense budget every year = the taxes they get from BUSINESS TAXES. Business taxes are legal and can be enforced of the Constitution and amazingly those EQUAL the defense budget every year. Tarifs on products coming into this country before 1913 paid for the governments costs. Everyone has been lied to and it is hard to beat that kind of perpetual brainwashing from every part of socieety as well as the HERD/PACK mentality.You know, "Everyone else does it that way or thinks that way" people.

[edit on 7/1/2007 by theindependentjournal]

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
Rothchilde said "Let me control a nations money and I care NOT who makes her laws".

Best part.

And I could not have said it better.

All I can say is,

Amen Brother!

PLEASE look at this doocumentary and the following links, and learn the truth...

I do not think he will - or maybe he might, and then label it a socialistic anti-American propaganda.

May I also add another documentary - well just the final, Third Part of it?

Google Video Link

THE REAL TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT
A FINANCIAL ELEMENT IN THE LARGE CENTERS
HAS OWNED GOVERNMENT SINCE
THE DAYS OF ANDREW JACKSON!

Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. president 1933

Ummm...I've noticed that this thread has derailed from "Cops surrounding Ed Brown's House" into "(Il)legality of Income Taxes: I'd like to suggest that Income Taxing issues continue in one or more of these threads:
America: Freedom to Fascism - Federal Reserve and Taxes
A March on Washington DC : This "march" had Income Taxes as its primary focus.
Decades-Long US Government Conspiracy: Income Taxes is one of many issues of Governmental violations here.

Here are some links to Income Tax Researchs & Court battles:
1040 Checkmate?: Some well-researched info on the 1040 Tax Form.
Joe Banister: He Challenged The Income Tax And Withholding Laws -- And He Won: An example of what good research can do for The People.
The Crime and the Cover-up. Mr. President, Tear Down This Tax!: Even the Government's own agents have started stepping forward with the truth about the Income Tax.
IRS: Gut Schulz v IRS. DOJ: Court's Opinion Threatens Tax System: How the IRS uses illegal methods to enforce that which is not legal in the first place.
U.S. Court of Appeals Rules IRS Cannot Apply Force Against A Tax Payer Without A Court Order: More about IRS shenannigans.
New Damning Tax Research Released: A general overview about Income Taxes, containing lots of links to real nitty-gritty research.

However, in the interest of keeping this thread on-topic (that is, about the siege of Brown's home), there's some background info on Ed Brown's situation for people to chew on a bit.

[edit on 3-7-2007 by MidnightDStroyer]

UPDATE:

Shots Fired At Browns Probable Attempt at Provocation

30 to 40 shots were fired outside Ed and Elaine Brown's house last night in what was a probable attempt at provocation to goad the Browns and their supporters into a violent response.

Alex Jones spoke to Elaine Brown at around 11:30pm last night and confirmed that what sounded like automatic weapon fire was heard coming from a wooded area behind the house.

Another supporter of the Browns who was staying on the property in a trailer was also startled when his mobile home was violently pounded on in the middle of the night, but the perpetrator escaped.

Yet another provocation.

And the siege goes on...

DOUBLE POST

[edit on 29/7/07 by Souljah]

Geee, why is that US Marshal & the SWAT units even still hovering around the Browns' property anyway? Haven't they received the Cease & Desist Order yet? BTW, that Order was introduced to the Court on June 15, but ATS has the thread Paul Mitchell files notice on US Marshal in the case of Ed and Elaine Brown about it.

Excerpted from the link at Supreme Law Firm: Edited to make the imbedded links usable with ATS Forum Board Coding

DEMAND TO CEASE AND DESIST
Accordingly, formal demand is hereby made of you and all of your associates, accomplices and accessories of whatever description, to cease and desist immediately from any further attempts to apprehend the Browns or to trespass upon their fundamental Rights or private property in any manner whatsoever.
NOTICE OF INTENT
If you willfully violate this lawful NOTICE AND DEMAND TO CEASE AND DESIST, this is our formal NOTICE to you of our intent to lodge a VERIFIED CRIMINAL COMPLAINT, ON INFORMATION specifically naming you as a principal in a conspiracy to engage in a pattern of racketeering activities in connection with the Browns and in connection with any other attempts by your office to enforce a non-existent liability for IRC subtitle A “income taxes”, in violation of 18 U.S.C. 1962.

[edit on 29-7-2007 by MidnightDStroyer]

Originally posted by Souljah
UPDATE:

Shots Fired At Browns Probable Attempt at Provocation

Yet another provocation.

And the siege goes on...

here are a few more links to go along with that story...

www.wearechange.org...
showedthelaw.blogspot.com...
questforfairtrialinconcordnh.blogspot.com...

there are a few videos and audioblogs in regard to the situation...

Originally posted by m3rlz
here are a few more links to go along with that story...

...And some related threads right here at ATS:
The thread I linked in my previous post: Paul Mitchell files notice on US Marshal in the case of Ed and Elaine Brown
Feds Say No Raid on Ed and Elaine Brown
New Hampshire man, Ed Brown, refuses to pay federal taxes - willing to fight for it.
ed brown media conspiracy

U.S. Marshal: NH Tax Evaders (Ed and Elaine Brown) Arrested