Putin says:" I'll Point My Missiles at Europe"

Originally posted by maestro46
Oh my God...I did not just see somebody throw Russia into a bunch with Muslims, terrorists and other nations which...might want to invade Europe??? Let me think about this one, hold on one sec...WHY WOULD THEY GIVE A CRAP ABOUT INVADING EUROPE?!?!?!?!?! How many times did you think that theory over? No I meant to say you're absolutely right. All the muslim and terrorist nations are on standby - their women are giving birth as fast as possible to increase manpower and kids with grenades in their diapers, all the males above the age of 6 are hand crafting bootleg AK-47s and RPGs, Russia is busy repainting the red star on all it's military tech and are massing on the eastern European border eager to crush the capitalists. The only thing in their way this whole time is the waving US flag and a missile shield...cause that's not even a tiny bit ridiculous.

Regards,
Maestro

[edit on 5-6-2007 by maestro46]

Well maby i should have been more clear but I was quite furious about the poeple that blame America, because it's in the best intrest of all that America and Europe have a good realtionship. And then i don't think that Russians are generally bad but Putin is just an Evil man he almost has undone everything that Gorbatsjov and Jeltzin did. Do you realy think that that man will leave if he looses an election he has allready murdered several people (well his secret service did) and a man that can do that is capable of everything so i don't think that anything he says is an empty threat. And than Iran why won't Russia support the Sanctions even the Chinese have more sence. And Iran and several other moslim Nations are on a holywar and America is just several thousand miles further away than Eruope if they plan to launch a missle or something. Bush might be not so smart but atleast he isn't an evil man.

Makes me laugh when people say Bush is not smart. He is smart just for making you think that. Bush plays up to his old Yankee doodle dandy image.. Bush is shrewd and ruthless. An immense figure and awesome modern day Politician. Bush has done things presidents could only dream about. The guy is a do-er not a talker.

Originally posted by Fowl Play
Makes me laugh when people say Bush is not smart. He is smart just for making you think that. Bush plays up to his old Yankee doodle dandy image.. Bush is shrewd and ruthless. An immense figure and awesome modern day Politician. Bush has done things presidents could only dream about. The guy is a do-er not a talker.

I agree with this statement in part, due to the fact that Bush how ever bad at public speaking he is, always seems to convey an air of authority and commanding respect. I would love to be a fly on the wall at the G-8 talks today. I bet a fight breaks out between Putin and Bush over the this missile deal. neither seems willing to back down on the issue so I guess the only option left is a cage match between the two, eh , my money's on Bush because Putin looks a little scrawny to me.

100$ to Putin if they fight, he does have a black belt in judo and speznaz un-armed combat training

But i seriously doubt that the talks in G8 summit would heat up to an shouting match. Both sides know that they are talking BS to the public. Missile shield is just a way to move US precense into the eastern europe and the Putins missile targeting statement was just empty words as the launch times to Russian nuclear arsenals are unchanged by it. (as they still have to open silo doors and power up the missiles, targetting codes are much faster to change )

oh boy

Putin's spokesmen has just referred to Britain as "some others" on reference to who Putin will be meeting at the G8.

Originally posted by yanchek

Muadibb,
can you please stop telling everyone that Polish and Czech gov. asked or requested this shield? Those two governments were aproached by US and requested an negotiations on this issue and that was confirmed in january 2007

Why should I when the heads of state of those two countries said so?..

Some members around here are claiming "it is the fault of the U.S.", "The U.S. is making them do it" blah, blah blah. Well that's not the truth.

I have already given two articles which confirm what I said. The U.S. presented the idea to these nations, and they agreed. As for the blackmail.

Czechs accuse Russia of missile blackmail

WARSAW (Reuters) - The Czech Republic said on Tuesday it would not be intimidated by Russia over plans to site parts of a U.S. missile defence system on its soil, and said attempts at "blackmail" by Moscow would backfire.
Czech Foreign Minister Karel Schwarzenberg said threats by Russian officials over the plans, which would involve placing a radar system on Czech territory and a missile battery in Poland, would only make Czechs more determined to defend themselves.

Russia's strategic forces commander, General Nikolai Solovtsov, said on Monday that Russia would be capable of firing missiles at the Czech Republic and Poland if the ex-communist states agreed to host the U.S. defence system.

asia.news.yahoo.com...

And the following from a Russian website.

Poland needs U.S. base to cede from Russian influence - PM

WARSAW, February 20 (RIA Novosti) - The deployment of a U.S. anti-missile base in Poland will guarantee that Warsaw will no longer be under Russia's sphere of influence, the Polish prime minister said Tuesday.

The governments of Poland and the Czech Republic reaffirmed Monday their readiness to allow the United States to base elements of its missile shield on their territories.

"We are talking about the status of Poland and about Russia's hopes that Poland will once again come under its [Moscow's] sphere of influence," Jaroslaw Kaczynski said.

en.rian.ru...

It is clear these countries "want the missile defense system".

The Russian government is the one making threats with "attacking Poland and the Czech Republic if they go ahead with this plan.




[edit on 6-6-2007 by Muaddib]

President Ronald Reagan's Evil Empire speech

Watched the video, thanks for the link infinite.

Well, in that video President R. Reagan did state that the Soviet regime told him they were still seeking "Global Revolution", and they would continue fighting for the "proletariat's battle"... which is reminiscent of many groups that these days are making the same calls.

Again, i know I have posted this in the past many times, but I do think it brings some enlightening information as to what is the real goal of the Russian government, which to this day it is evident on their actions and statements has not changed much, even if they don't say so in the same words.

Many former Russian military personnel who have defected to the west, and not just the U.S.have corroborated that "there is a master plan that the Krenlim has for the future."

Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.
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"Golitsyn predicts that the Soviet regime will be stabilized by the creation of spurious, controlled opposition movements and the use of those movements to neutralize genuine internal and external opposition, and that it will encourage communist parties to establish united fronts with socialist parties throughout the world thus increasing Soviet influence in parliaments and trade unions.4

Some of the techniques, according to Golitsyn, will be dissension within the bloc, unity of action behind disunity of words, a show of weakness before meeting with Western leaders or before major initiatives or negotiations, and the heavy use of disinformation.5 This disinformation will emanate from official Communist sources, unofficial Communist sources, and "secret" communist sources, much of it retrospective. It is to be delivered through Western newspapermen, scholars, officials, and the Soviet intelligentsia.

The final phase of the master plan, according to Golitsyn, is a disinformation and deception campaign of such magnitude that it would be "beyond the imagination of Marx, or the practical reach of Lenin, and unthinkable to Stalin. Among such previously unthinkable stratagems are the introduction of false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, the Soviet Union, and the exhibition of spurious independence on the part of the regimes in Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland."

www.umd.umich.edu...

And the above was published in 1984 and written before by Golitsyn, who was a high ranking Russian military defector.

BTW, the sudden increase in anti-americanism from the Russian government did not start because of this defense missile plan.

The following is an excerpt of an interview done to Russian military defector Col. Stanislav Lunev in 2001.

Colonel Stanislav Lunev is a former Russian spy. He is currently a consultant for the FBI and the CIA and writes a column for NewsMax.com. The highest-ranking military officer ever to defect from Russia to the United States, Lunev defected when Yeltsin came to power in 1992.

CNN Moderator: Welcome to CNN.com, Colonel Stanislav Lunev.

Col. Stanislav Lunev: Hello and thank you for inviting me.

CNN Moderator: Have Russian spy activities in the U.S. increased or decreased since the end of the Cold War?

Col. Stanislav Lunev: From the end of the Cold War, Russian spy activity against the West and the U.S. has decreased until the middle of the 90's, when it increased dramatically. Now, it would be comparable to the coldest days of the Cold War.
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Question from chat room: Does Russia still see the U.S. as an enemy?

Col. Stanislav Lunev: Unfortunately, the Russian government considers the United States as its main potential military adversary. The increase in Russian intelligence activity against America is directly connected to this point of view, and this view is much more popular than it was in the beginning of the '90s.

Question from chat room: How can Russia continue with what I consider deceptive spying and still ask the USA to support it financially?

Col. Stanislav Lunev: It's not Russia itself that is hostile to the United States. The Russian people like America and consider America an example for their democratic reforms and creation of a free market economy. It�s the Russian government that is hostile. This is a government which actually spends all the billions of dollars it receives from the United States on its corrupt Russian elite that have private accounts in Western banks.

The Russian government tries to explain to the Russian people that Russians are living so badly, not because of a corrupted Russian government, but because an enemy would like to destroy Russia like it's already destroyed the former Soviet Union, destroyed Yugoslavia and would like to destroy Mother Russia, too. "

www.cnn.com...

Anyways, I found the following article "very enlightening".

CIS: Referendums Seen As Kremlin's Master Plan

BRUSSELS, September 20, 2006 (RFE/RL) -- There is no evidence of direct Kremlin involvement in the September 17 referendum in Moldova's breakaway Transdniester region, in which voters overwhelmingly approved a course of independence with an eventual view to joining Russia. But the referendum -- and a similar vote upcoming in Georgia's separatist South Ossetia -- is widely seen as part of a broader Russian strategy to entrench its influence in the former Soviet republics.

Few observers think that the Transdniester referendum is only about Transdniestrian independence. Amanda Akcakoca, an analyst with the European Policy Center, a Brussels-based think tank, says it's also a gesture to Russia.

"I think the point is to show their short of undying support for Russia. To show to the world that they're unhappy with the situation they are in and that they continue to support and want to be part of Russia," says Akcakoca.

She adds that this, in turn, "gives Russia in return a very strong case for keeping its troops, armaments in Transdniester."

www.rferl.org...

Everything is going exactly how the Russian defectors said it would, "coincidence"?... i doubt it.

[edit on 6-6-2007 by Muaddib]

Bush is an idiot whatever some of you die hard republicans say in his defence. Every time he opens his mouth he digs a deeper hole for US foreign policy to climb out of.

I don't care what you have to say about a super sophisticated, "good ol boy from down on the farm" image.

It cuts no ice outside the US and every time he opens his mouth he alienates America from the rest of the world. I would be intensely embarrassed if he were my President. Maybe some of you guys don't perceive the US's image from outside because you spend all your time watching FOX TV ?

On the other hand, Poland and the Czechs are entitled to this defence system.

Moscow has it's own missile defence system so why shouldn't NATO ?



[edit on 6-6-2007 by sy.gunson]

Wow, that's a very constructive argument.

But this is a thread about what "Putin" has said...

Originally posted by Muaddib
Wow, that's a very constructive argument.

But this is a thread about what "Putin" has said...

I guess he's answering the posts at the top of the page where we were poking fun at Bush and Putin getting into a scuffle at the G-8 summit over this issue, anyway I enjoyed the post's from the Russian defector's comments concerning Russians faking democracy (the leaders that is) many have suspected this was the case for some time, good to see some evidence backing this theory up.


One problem I have is, if everyday people like you and me can put the pieces together on such a Russian plot, why on Gods green earth cant our intelligence officials get a clue??, why cant our government officials act like they know this is happening??? there are people paid alot of money to stay ahead of the curve on things like this but our government seems to be completely stupid toward the Russians and the Chinese both.

Putin is a former head of the KGB and is trying to bring the Cold War back. I agree with another poster who said that nuking Europe would be suicide due to the fact that the radiation would come back to him eventually and end up killing his own people. Also, he can't afford to lose all those gas and oil customers by killing them. Destroying Europe would be destroying himself. This is all just sabre rattling to gain himself a better negotiating position at the G8 summit.

Not saber rattling at all

Rather a new Europe is shaping up both inside the besieged G8 and outside as a significantly large gathering of European youth have gathers to make their point.

the real conspiracy of the 07 G8 summit is how a critical watershed highpoint in world events moment like we have just been seeing in the past few days could be so so under reported.

Now gentlemen i know how serious you all are and how you dearly believe in King and country or whatever your political mantra is...

so join with me now as i pray for our and your future Queen Paris Hilton in prison at this time.... Dear lord thou knowest what is important in this world and what is not and so now we pray for our future Queen Paris that she will get a grip of herself and might come through the experience knowing something more about the real world amen Lord hear our prayer.

That was real funny NZ, I hope you were not poking fun at my signature......I did it as a joke OK??

But you hit on a great point though, Tony Blair was fairly alarmed by Putins seemingly stiff "cold war" stand on certain issues, couple this with the fact that now Putin is telling Bush where to put the missiles, so as not to upset Russia. WHAT?? so now we let the russians tell us where to put our missiles?? What is wrong with this picture??

They(the media) seem to be playing off the whole G-8 summit, very little news of any substance being reported.....makes me wonder if Bushes stomach problem was a result of something said to him by Putin. I guess we'll never know.

Which one do you prefer?

Ronnie must be turning over in his grave as Communisn is definitely coming back into vogue in Moscow !

They are not pointing at Iran then? While the rest of the world tells Iran to shut up and do nothing now Russia along with Iran say, lets point at Europe and lets destroy Isreal so Europe does not get involved whist Russia is best friends with Iran since they helped build the nuclear plant.

Also biblically prophecy seems to be taking shape, as described and seen by the pattern its the non Christian related countries doing this, from a prophecy a long time ago before Christ and yet these countries have driven out the faith that was to become the threat that ends all.

Ezekiel 38 nations against Israel:

Ezekiel 38:1-6 The word of the Lord came to me; Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him and say: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army - your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops - the many nations with you

2500 years ago – modern nation
Rosh - Russia
Magog- Central Asia
Meshech- Turkey
Tubal- Turkey (also southern Russia and Iran)
Persia -Iran
Ethiopia- (Cush) Sudan
Put- Libya
Gomer- Turkey

Many peoples with you- Other Islamic nations

All I am saying is if this is right look out this is just one event with many roads leading to it. Yes you don’t have to believe but makes you wonder.

Some may argue that this Gog and Magog war is after the 1000 years of peace when Jesus rules the earth as stated in the Book of Revelations. But this war could still go ahead, if Iran still plays this poker game It’s a Nuclear Peace deal,. Remember this is not Armageddon but maybe small explosions of many to come.

Anyone recall the John Titor prophecy of Europe's major cities being destroyed by Russian missiles?