Where are we in the bible?

Originally posted by BO XIAN

The number of days from the time that the rebuilding of the Temple was ordered during the Babylon captivity until the coming of Christ was precisely predicted--as I recall--to the day.

Please provide a source for this info.

If I remember correctly, from the Bible and a couple other texts, the
time of our Lords coming is known by no man.

And, how can you "precisely predict" ? It hasn't happened. How can
a prediction be precise, when it hasn't happened ?


Lex

His second coming is known only by The Father--not even the Son.

However, the first coming is what I was referring to.

I've read a couple of calculations different ways--coming out precisely. I'll see if I can look one of them up. Might take some time.


Check out EVERY PROPHECY OF THE BIBLE by John F Walvoord pp254 & 255., (C) 1990, 1999 by John F Walvoord Cook Communications Ministries, Colorado Springs, Co 80918 All rights reserved.

"If 444 B.C. is accepted as the beginning date of the 490 years, the 483 years would culminate in the year A.D. 33 where recent scholarship has placed the probable time of the death of Christ. In interpretation the Bible authorizes the use of the prophetic year of 360 days. The 360 days are multiplied by 483 years, or the 490 years minus seven. The computation comes out at A.D. 33. The concept that the prophetic year is 360 days is confirmed by the 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3; 12:6), with the forty-two months (11:2; 13:5), and with a time, times and half a time, or 3 1/2 years (Dan 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 12:14) This interpretation permits the 483 years to run their course. The intervening time between the 483 years and the last 7 years was provided in the prophecy itself as would be seen in examination of Daniel 9:26-27.

I suspect there are sites on the net that lay it out clearly but I'm doing several projects today and won't likely look it up for some days yet.

I cant give you the revelation but i know that it was related to the reconstruction of the temple.That would mean that the Dome of the rock in jerusalem would have to be destroyed for the great rebuilt temple would HAVE to occupy that space.Sounds implausible because the mosk now there is one of islams holiest sights but there it is.Also is said the anti christ is to reign from the rebuilt temple.

Originally posted by BO XIAN

It seems to me, the 200 million are demonic forces or supernatural--other--forces of some kind.

What about this thread of mine - maybe it is symbolic???

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by sobolwolf

Originally posted by BO XIAN

It seems to me, the 200 million are demonic forces or supernatural--other--forces of some kind.

What about this thread of mine - maybe it is symbolic???

So it seems that the next thing that is about to happen according to the bible is that an army of 200 million is coming, whether the forces be demonic, supernatural or symbolic.

We will then have:
9. The troops would cross the Euphrates.
10. People would be forced to receive the mark of the beast (perhaps the National ID that the dept. of homeland security is requiring all Americans to get is related).

Pastor John Hagee of Cornerstone (?) Christian Church says the 200 million will be Red Chinese.

Originally posted by Prokurator
I've heard of great things predicted in the bible .....

Yep. Like this one - Matthew Chapter 24

Get your bible and read along. It's far too much to quote here. But let me say that it's all the 'end of the world stuff'.

Then you get to Matthew 24 - verse 34 -

"Amen I say to you that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done."

That was 2,000 years ago ... and that generation DID PASS and the world didn't end and Christ didn't return. It was suggested a few posts ago that 'the generation' didn't start until the temple was built or until Israel was created (or something) .. that might be right but I dunno about that ... it looks pretty straightforward to me and it (the bible) looks wrong.

So, my advice (though you didn't ask for it) is not to take bible prophecy as literal and don't take it as gospel (pardon the pun).



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Originally posted by Prokurator
I've heard of great things predicted in the bible and that once they are fulfilled we will have the second coming of the Messiah. So what predictions in the bible have been fulfilled, i.e. on what page are we now and what prophesy should be fulfilled next. Does anyone know?

the book of revelations should be interesting to you. What page we are at now, well many believe the current NWO/Vatican are deliberately fulfilling some of the predictions from the bible. If you were to go by the bible then we are in the endtimes and the second coming isn't so far away, but that only comes after the NWO have complete control of the planet. They almost have complete control of the planet today, and if you were educated in how the world is really run and who is running it, you would realise the evil and corruption has invaded almost every aspect of our daily lives.

Originally posted by Xfile
I know that it was related to the reconstruction of the temple.That would mean that the Dome of the rock in jerusalem would have to be destroyed for the great rebuilt temple would HAVE to occupy that space.Sounds implausible because the mosk now there is one of islams holiest sights but there it is.Also is said the anti christ is to reign from the rebuilt temple.

a temple built of gold, and the new capital of the vatican.

Who is the anti-christ??? Anti-christ doesn't mean anti-Jesus, it means "in Place Of" Christ. Well who is on this planet claiming In Place of Christ, and also claims to be infallible. Yes, the Pope in the Vatican, and it is for sure that jesus didn't give the Pope those powers, the vatican claimed those powers for themselves. The Vaticans power over the world is far more extensive than most people realise. The Vatican is really the continuation of the Holy Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire is the continuation of the Roman Empire, with the church added and Pope replacing Ceasar. You have heard of the New World Order. The Old World Order was the Holy Roman Empire.
The goals of the NWO is a 1-world government/religion, with Jerusalem as the capital and the Pope head of the religion of the NWO.

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Deep subject. One could say that Genesis(bruised heel, serpent's bruised head) is as relevant as Revelations. ALL is pointing to God's will being done. That being said, if Christian, there's more relevance in the New Testament than say Isiah, as the Old Testament was pointing towards the Messiah. The New Test. pointing towards end of days. I think that we are coming to the inclusion of ALL scripture in our time.

That's the Cole's notes version.

Originally posted by golddragnet
The Vatican is really the continuation of the Holy Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire is the continuation of the Roman Empire, with the church added and Pope replacing Ceasar.

I'm afraid that that string of hyperbole doesn't fit with history.

The Roman Empire existed concurrently with the Holy Roman Empire. It was based for much of the first millennium in Constantinople. And note that it was the Western Church that created the concept of the Holy Roman Empire, and that the Pope was not its emperor, nor its ruler.

The history of the generation of the "Holy Roman Empire" is rather interesting (a misnomer in so many ways, as it was not an "empire" as such - the Emperor was elected not hereditory; he was crowned, but not annointed (i.e. he ruled by permission, not by right); the Emperor had no authority in matters arising in any of the countries of Christendom; and the Empire had no geographical claim to territory per se - at least not for several hundred years later when it ossified into being the same thing as the German kingdom(s)). It's far too complex to go into on here, but the wiki articles aren't a bad place to start, which tell us that Voltaire commented that it was "neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire". However, the articles say almost nothing about the reasons and background for its founding. These articles all concentrate on the concept of the Empire as the Germanic thing which it turned into, and they do not write about the intent and causes for the creation of the "Empire" in the first place.

en.wikipedia.org...
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en.wikipedia.org...

The establishment of the HRE was to some extent intended as a counter to the *still existing* Roman Empire in the East (it had existed there unbroken for the previous 500 years when Constantine took up the religion and moved capitals). There were issues of juridiction in Rome itself, and the Pope appealed to the asisstance of Christian monarchs to bring order back. A political move by the Roman Church in some ways to strengthen not just itself in and of itself, but also to defend Christendom and all its values, and to try to address the issue of the patriarchate/Emperor in Constantinople.

However, this is a complex topic, and as that third wiki article sums up:

The reasons for the coronation, the involvement beforehand of the Frankish court, and the relationship to the Byzantine Empire are all matters of debate among historians.

But I do urge interested parties to do the reading - in books, not online. The "dark ages" period between the fall of Rome and the First Crusade are fascinating to read about. But proper reading. Not conspiracy trash.

Cheers.

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"Sometimes I wonder if we are destined to witness Armageddon."- Ronald Reagan, Friday, May 15, 1981
The Reagan Diaries, pg. 19


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Originally posted by d60944
The Pope was not its emperor, nor its ruler.

He became its ruler. Whatever way you chose to look at it, or how it evolved, the Holy Roman Empire was a follow on from the Roman Empire. I am not and hadn't intended to go into the whole evolvement of the Vatican and the Holy Roman Empire here.

In the 1300's a Pope openly declared to the public that he was Ceasar.

The power of the Vatican today is alot more powerful than it appears on the surface. The SMOM control all the worlds banking, insurance, medical cartel and so on. The SMOM Knights swear lifelong allegiance to the Vatican.

Are you suggesting the Pope isn't the ruler of the Vatican, so what is the declaration of infallibillity all about? Your reply missed the point of what I was posting in an effort to sound clever.

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Bo,
Do you have a link to where you got that info ?

I have a gut feeling about it, but would appreciate a link for confirmation.

Thanks in advance,
Lex

Thanks for your kind query.

I woud love to do what I could to provide a link.

But I have absolutely no clue which post you are referring to; what you want a lnk, too???

Actually, I don't think I've linked to much on the web. I think I've posted from my memory and from one book, other than the KJV.

What's the topic, issue, fact you'd like a link to?

That's been the classical opinion--that it would be the Chinese.

However, the Hindus in India have been killing plenty of Christians recently. And, they could likely mount quite an army, too.

Either one joined with the -stans Jihadi's would constitute quite an army.

But logistically, I understand it's impossible to move 200 million troops much of anywhere--particularly over those distances . . .

unless . . . one is using several to a fleet of UFOs the size of Los Angeles.

But my reading of the Scripture these days is that the 200 million army will be literally from hell. I don't think hell has a logistics problem as long as God is allowing such.

But it was interesting, even in the 1800's China was pegged as the King of the East with the 200 million army. China was still quite 'sleeping' then.

But the Scripture says kingS of the East--plural. And I don't recall that verse being close to the one about the 200 million. Bt it's been a while since I read all Revelation in sequence.

My question is why is it every generation feels that it is the last? All see the prophecies coming true but they don't. Jesus is always right around the next corner, until we turn it, Then he's around the next.

Perhaps, just perhaps, life isn't about a coming saviour but about how you live it day to day.

For hundreds of generations people have waited for a saviour who didn't come. Maybe it's time to think of living your life as if a saviour never will come. Maybe it's time to forget about a saviour and start giving thanks for the life that has been given you.

If some saviour comes, thats fine with me. If they don't show up, thats OK too. I don't worry about what may be, I just give thanks to the creator of all things for the life I have been granted.

If you cross a bridge before you come to it, you have to cross it twice.

The only reason anyone looks to scripture is to confirm in some way that they are on the right path. They somehow need words from two thousand years ago to tell them that the God they believe in is the right one.

Stop looking at the words and start trusting your heart.

God does not reside in a book and never has. God is within your heart and only you will know when he is there.

Love and light,

wupy

As I understand it from some of the interviews I've seen wih Michae Reagan, his dad ws quite a fascinated student of Biblical prophecy. And, did believe that we were in the END TIMES.

Given the things he must have known about what the puppet masters were up to vis a vis globalism . . . I suspect he had good reason to feel certain that we are in the End times.

I wonder what Nancy believes. . . . given the astrologers etc. Silly lady.

Originally posted by BO XIAN

"If 444 B.C. is accepted as the beginning date of the 490 years, the 483 years would culminate in the year A.D. 33 where recent scholarship has placed the probable time of the death of Christ. In interpretation the Bible authorizes the use of the prophetic year of 360 days. The 360 days are multiplied by 483 years, or the 490 years minus seven. The computation comes out at A.D. 33. The concept that the prophetic year is 360 days is confirmed by the 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3; 12:6), with the forty-two months (11:2; 13:5), and with a time, times and half a time, or 3 1/2 years (Dan 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 12:14) This interpretation permits the 483 years to run their course. The intervening time between the 483 years and the last 7 years was provided in the prophecy itself as would be seen in examination of Daniel 9:26-27.

This is the info I'd like a link for.

Thanks,
Lex

related to the reconstruction of the temple.That would mean that the Dome of the rock in jerusalem would have to be destroyed for the great rebuilt temple would HAVE to occupy that space.

Certainly the Temple has to be rebuilt. That is one still outstanding END TIMES milepost that's pending.

There are arguments as to whether the Dome of the Rock would have to be moved. There's a lot of evidence that the Holy of Holies was NOT there. Actually, that none of the Temple proper--not the holy area and not the holy of holies--was on that turf--but there on the mount--and that the rebuilt temple could also be put there with room to spare between it and the Dome of the Rock.

I tend to agree with folks who do not believe that God would allow a rebuilt Temple to honor Him to share space with the Dome of the Rock championing a demonic moon god.

We shall see. Lots of scenarios could probably occur within the Biblical predictions.

But if one hears in the news that the Dome has been obliterated in a quake or by a bomb or whatever . . . make sure the mountain hidaway is well stocked.

If one hears that the Temple has begun to be rebuilt--same . . .

If one hears that the Anti-Christ--satanic world leader is on the scene and ready to hoodwink the Israeli's with a new Temple as their awaited Messiah--it's likely you missed the Rapture and need to insure that you are prepared to be martyred and AVOID the mark of the beast to gain eternal life.