Mexicans showing how they feel

Evil? No, probably not. Rude? Oh yes, very much so. Fortunately, I now enough Latinos, and Latinas who are not, so your example doesn't much effect my opinion.

If this is an illegal immigration issue, why 99.999% of the time does it come back to Mexicans? The costs to become "legal" in this country is too much for them to pay. It is $100 alone for the basic formation service (that's 1,071 pesos). Then you have legal fees on top of all that. You also have qualification exams that you have to answer with 100% accuracy or you don't even qualify to begin the process. Also, the tests that you have to take are ridiculous! They have questions that even natural born citizens can't even answer (Jay Leno's skit "Jaywalking" is a perfect example). Immigrants aren't spoiled like most American's I know. 80% of the people I know want that cushy desk job where minimal movement is must. I urge you guys to take a survey with your friends or even strangers on the street and ask if they are willing to wake up at the crack of dawn and work in the sun for 10 hrs a day.

Another problem is outsourcing. What about all the jobs being outsourced to Asia and other parts of the world? For me, that's more of a contributing factor than illegal immigration. Everyone always needs a scapegoat and it's just unfortunate that Mexicans, not ALL illegal immigrants, are bearing the brunt of this. Someone stated earlier in this thread that a concrete wall, complete with electric fences and armed guards was the answer. Well if that is the stance some Americans hold, then they would have no problem doing the same to our northern border.

I get really tired of hearing that the illegals do the work that Americans won't. That is utter and complete crap...if the pay is even remotely decent people will do the work. The only reason the jobs go to illegals is because they are paid what amounts to slave wages, no promotions, etc...

If the produce growers, and by this, I mean the corporate farms, were forced to pay decent wages and the labor laws enforced you'd see an upsurge in legal Americans doing the jobs that now go to illegals.

No I wouldn't have an issue with fencing our northern border right along with our southern border. It's a stopgap solution at best, but a solution nevertheless. The real solution is for countries sending their citizens to our country illegally to start solving their own problems.

[edit on 2-6-2007 by seagull]

Originally posted by SBDAL
Someone stated earlier in this thread that a concrete wall, complete with electric fences and armed guards was the answer. Well if that is the stance some Americans hold, then they would have no problem doing the same to our northern border.

I have no problem with securing our northern border as well. By all means, secure both borders.

Speaker, let me tell you at least this much. I don't know you, where you live(d), who you surround yourself with or what your upbringing was like. I come from a hardworking backround and have been taught to work hard for what I get. I cannot say the same for about 80% of my friends. These guys grew up in $800,000 houses where everything and anything was either done for them or handed down to them. As a result of that, they grew up rather spoiled. I know these men/women personally, and have for many years and I can tell you with 100% confidence... if farm workers, construction companies or any other job that requires manual labor offered "decent" salaries, none of those 80% would take it. They would rather be in an air conditioned room, sitting in a chair. Don't get me wrong I love these guys and that aspect of their life has no negative effect on our friendship. In fact I tease them about their spoildness and they, somewhat, proudly acknowledge that.

Go to a local high school of yours and survey 100 students. Ask those 100 students, if given the choice to work for the summer in an office building or on a farm all day, which they would choose. The results might suprise you. Without delving too much into your personal life, can I ask what it is you do for a living?

So you support a wall across both our northern and southern border, complete with electric fences and armed guards? Why do you even need armed guards in towers? To shoot and kill these illegals? Is that the penalty they need to suffer for wanting a better life?

Why should Mexicans like Americans?

1. The US has four states that were stolen by violence from Mexico. Remember the Alamo? These states then ignored the legal system and land registration system put in place by Mexico and allowed land pirates to drive the estancias out of existence by the use of force. The indigenous people were then slaughtered like vermin.


2. There are nine dams on the Colorado River. These nine dams take up all the water and the Colorado no longer flows into Mexico. Of these nine dams, only eight provide any water to end users. The water in the ninth just evaporates or soaks into the surrounding land. Meanwhile many Mexican farmers have had to abandon their livelihoods and farms through lack of water. I suspect that the Colorado was deliberately stopped to remind Mexico just who is boss in North America.

Canada doesn't like the USA either. As a Canadian friend of mine says, "Canada would be perfect if only we could get rid of the neighbour."

Originally posted by hippichick
Why should Mexicans like Americans?

1. The US has four states that were stolen by violence from Mexico. Remember the Alamo? These states then ignored the legal system and land registration system put in place by Mexico and allowed land pirates to drive the estancias out of existence by the use of force. The indigenous people were then slaughtered like vermin.

Canada doesn't like the USA either. As a Canadian friend of mine says, "Canada would be perfect if only we could get rid of the neighbour."

Why are all of Canada's successful cities bordering America's border? basically all of them are. whether they are montreal, quebec, toronto, calgary, vancouver, ect. if it was not for America's wealth, Canada would not be what it is today.

why refer back to the alamo? and stole? please. why is mexico so special? if we went back into time and gave land back to those who first owned it, there would only be one or two civilizations left on Earth.

Originally posted by hippichick


1. The US has four states that were stolen by violence from Mexico. Remember the Alamo? These states then ignored the legal system and land registration system put in place by Mexico and allowed land pirates to drive the estancias out of existence by the use of force. The indigenous people were then slaughtered like vermin.

Actually Mexico was paid 15 million usd for those lands and also the United States assumed all of Mexico's national debt.



[edit on 6/3/2007 by DarkStormCrow]

[edit on 6/3/2007 by DarkStormCrow]

does america have the ability to round up these millions of illegals and send them back home? many doubt that they do. i think they can if they shift their focus away from the world's other countries and back to their own.

also, regarding canada's success nearing America's border, how could I leave out Winnipeg? Winnipeg is a great city, basically, smack dab on the border.

[edit on 3-6-2007 by LooseLipsSinkShips]

Originally posted by hippichick

Canada doesn't like the USA either. As a Canadian friend of mine says, "Canada would be perfect if only we could get rid of the neighbour."

I have a friend in Quebec that says Quebec would be perfect without Canada.

The polls have shown that since Bush, that the US has lost some of the Canadian good will. But that's expected with his harsh style. And Canadians do see Americans as being "arrogant". I can't deny that, I see the arrogance myself. I'm not sure what fosters it, but my guess is that our culture has become more violent and economically cutthroat. You ever work with people that are successful in their line of work, but seem to think they know everything because they are good at one thing? That's the feeling that I get in the US...too much balls over brains.

Still I think we are not the enemies you are portraying us to be:

If the U.S. was attacked by its enemies, 75% of Canadians support Canadian troops being deployed in America's defence. 18% oppose that.

If Canada was attacked, 84% of Americans support their troops being sent to help us. 12% are opposed.

poll

Pretty good numbers still for two countries that are at the worst point in relations that we have ever been.

Originally posted by LooseLipsSinkShips
does america have the ability to round up these millions of illegals and send them back home? many doubt that they do. i think they can if they shift their focus away from the world's other countries and back to their own.

Well, in all fairness, I have admitted that rounding up 12-15 million people would be quite a task. However, that does not mean that we shouldn't secure our borders to at least stem the tide of immigrants coming into this country.

This issue is so beyond Mexico to me that it's not even funny. While it is true that the majority of the illegals here are from South America, they certainly aren't all from there. I am certain there are some that are from Europe and Asia as well.

However, for me, look, given that the world is in the situation that it currently is in, I feel like it is pretty foolhardy to have the borders wide open. Regardless of what anyone wants to say, the borders are currently wide open for all intense and purposes. I think that a nation, particularly the United States, is playing with fire when they have such a situation, especially when one realizes that there are people out there whose greatest goal is to kill Americans.

[edit on 4-6-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Here is a good video on this.



"Does Mexico Hate The U.S?"



The interviewer made the case.

The stupid tv news guy forgot to say we love seeing our kids dressed in stupid witch costumes, celebrating halloween and visiting every neighbor house saying "trick or treat".

Oh by the way we love ronald McDonald too and this fat ***** named santa claus. I love the way he goes down our chimney every year... damn! I forgot I am poor and there are no chimneys at home.

"Because we are rich and they are poor" jajajajajajajajaja no mames
that guy read my mind. That is exactly why I want to go to the US!

No, seriously I will never go to the US not even to take a dump.

[edit on 7-6-2007 by Franz von Humboldt]

Originally posted by Franz von Humboldt

No, seriously I will never go to the US not even to take a dump.

[edit on 7-6-2007 by Franz von Humboldt]

Judging by your attitude, we don't want you here.

Originally posted by SBDAL
If this is an illegal immigration issue, why 99.999% of the time does it come back to Mexicans? The costs to become "legal" in this country is too much for them to pay. It is $100 alone for the basic formation service (that's 1,071 pesos). Then you have legal fees on top of all that. You also have qualification exams that you have to answer with 100% accuracy or you don't even qualify to begin the process. Also, the tests that you have to take are ridiculous! They have questions that even natural born citizens can't even answer (Jay Leno's skit "Jaywalking" is a perfect example). Immigrants aren't spoiled like most American's I know. 80% of the people I know want that cushy desk job where minimal movement is must. I urge you guys to take a survey with your friends or even strangers on the street and ask if they are willing to wake up at the crack of dawn and work in the sun for 10 hrs a day.

So say I can't afford a car I want, its ok for me to go into the lot and steal it from someone else because I can't afford it. I'm sure the judge would be in stitches after hearing that one. Completely false logic there. While I do agree it is expensive to become a citizen of this country, I don't think it should be cheap. Mexico's immigration laws are so much tougher than ours, its a huge double standard. No one makes them work those "10 hour days", # I work 10 hour days regularly, they get a job where they can. I can admire that, ambition to make ones life better but its coming at too much expense to our country. I'm not saying kick them out because it really isn't feasible and would do much more harm than good. But we need to take a hard-core stance on our border to ensure the problem doesn't get any worse than it already is. We, meaning US citizens, are paying these illegals way in the form of education(free lunch included in many cases as well), public transport, medical treatment and the list goes on. Obviously something needs to get done about it, the questions are what and how?

Some links pointing out the aforementioned double-standard of Mexican Immigration.
Mexican Double-Standard
Double Standard on Migrants
Mexico's Glass House- Need Adobe Reader for this

This one directly pretains to the topic of the thread
Double Standards

[edit on 6/7/2007 by ludaChris]

LudaChris, I agree. Trying to "kick them out" would probably be pretty futile. I think the only logical thing to do is to start securing our borders.

Originally posted by Franz von Humboldt

No, seriously I will never go to the US not even to take a dump.

Some how I think we'll survive your absence, Franz.

Originally posted by seagull

No, seriously I will never go to the US not even to take a dump.

We don't want your # here anyhow, and seeing as your so full of it, it would probably destroy the local sewage treatment plant.

Hate for US and the whole "taking back" their part of the country.... Why be here if they hate us and isn't Mexico big enough? Our land is rightfully ours now and has been that way.

Originally posted by dreamingawake
Hate for US and the whole "taking back" their part of the country.... Why be here if they hate us and isn't Mexico big enough? Our land is rightfully ours now and has been that way.

Rightfully ? I guess your idea of whats right is slanted or biased toward herding the Native Indians into reservations, killing their main food sources and renneging on treaties with them. I guess not alot has changed since those good old days.