Can you see us? Secret Branch of Government

Hi there, Anne! Thanks for the warm welcome!

After posting that I went looking, I still can't seem to find it, a book by a guy, I can't remember his name but he's known as the Sprout Guy....HAH, finally found it. Wheat Grass - Nature's Finest Medicine - Steve Meyerowitz

I have to agree with what he says, what I was alluding to in that last post. Creatures of light, or energy, plain and simple, is what we are IMO. Ya know, the spirit, it's energy, right? Well, so is light. It makes all things grow. Ingesting that is the best we can do for ourselves, one would think. If you follow my logic. Heck, I believe we should spend time in the light, not lock ourselves in a room or rely on lousy flourescents.

Anyway, the corporations have taken patents on all the stuff the farmers grow, the farmers have no choice to use the seeds which begets the pesticides made by the same company. It comes full circle when the next year they have to give the seeds back because they are no good and buy new ones. Vicious circle they created. Heck, there was an article in Playboy, believe it or not, a few years ago that summed it all up in a few pages. I don't remember all the details, my mind is a bit spotty nowadays. I'll check into those links, soon.

I could ramble forever, there's so much. Not now.

Originally posted by TheLoony
Um, er, AHEM!

Newbie here. Not sure how I came across this site but I ended up on the mailing list a few weeks ago and decided to join in, if only a little. I'm not sure how much I will post on here but I'm here, now, so I'll leave my few cents.

Sees, thanks for a great thread! I cannot argue with what you have said. I do believe we all have some kind of power, gift, whatever you would want to call it. We just have to find it. So, I can't pooh pooh it when you say you are a seer. I believe I may have seen things, maybe projected out of my body. I don't know what happened. Weird stuff. Humans only use a small percentage of their brain, am I correct? What about the other part, hmm? So it's possible anyone and everyone could awaken to this higher power, so to speak, if they could access that part of their brain. Whatever, I don't know.

I do believe we are creatures of light. I hope, not something designed by aliens or some stuff. My point here, is food. It was brought up here, a page or two back. Chemicals and GMO's have totally tainted the supply of food, it's no wonder people can't wake up. They are eating junk that has no substance. Fast food may be the most awful thing ever perpetrated on humankind. I'm not the greatest eater, but I do my part and try on my limited budget to eat as healthy as I can. It's extremely hard. I juice a lot. I can't afford organic fruits & veggies, but it still is better than most pre-packaged anything. They are unable to because they are "drugged". They sure don't want us to think. Give them food that has no nutritional value, keep the populace drugged from childhood, let them live in constant fear and there is no way out. They are unable to respond because they have no feelings, no energy to create them. Just shells of humans.

Hi and welcome loony! I agree that we are creatures of light! Now, to do with the food situation. I drove 18 wheelers for 16 years, and much of the stuff that I hauled was produce. From California to New Jersey, and one thing that I noticed years ago, was the fact that the farmers on the west coast were using contaminated water to water their fields. I wondered even then what kind of effect this would have on the end product. I saw them in almost every field that I picked up from. So, there is no wonder that people get ill from it eventually. I don't know what kind of cumulative effects it will have on people, but I am SURE that there are some.

When I visited Texas, I was appalled at the situation of the cattle. They have no grass to eat, they are fed grain. They stand in manure all day long that is almost up past their ankles. This is filled with the urine and feces of these animals, and I'm SURE there is disease, for every single corral like this that I saw, I was able to see many sick ones among the healthy looking. And stink? OMG.

So, I am very surprised that there is food that passes any kind of inspection. Especially governmental. And don't even get me started on the conditions that I saw in the plants that process the cows and chickens, such as Kahns in Cincinnati, and the huge Tyson Chicken in Springdale Arkansas. If people really knew how their food was processed, there would be a lot more vegetarians. But then they get bombarded with pesticides, fertilizers, and contaminated water, so I do see a major food crisis coming. Get ready for it!

Originally posted by Quazi176
Now everytime I look up in the sky and I see those damn chemtails I'm going to think about what you just said. Some people don't think chemtrails are anything. If you watch them, you can SEE that that are different than normal jet trails. Makes me wonder if the connection is there.

Hi Quazi176! Don't just look up! You know how easy it is for them to spray it from the car exhaust as well. In New York, when the government was seeing how quickly things would spread, they used many techniques, and this was one of them. They just sprayed it out of the trunk of a red convertible! Also, sprayed some from men walking with briefcases. What they sprayed at that time was not a contagion, so they say, and they learned that that was a great way to introduce chemicals to the general public. So, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. I do know that last week they had a lot of people freaking when their 'pesticide' was sprayed from airplanes on them!!

Originally posted by annestacey
Hey there Loony! I get very excited when I come across others who have an intense interest in the food supply situation. I get so aggravated now when I see commercials advertising fast food, processed food, and prescription drugs. It just makes me sick because it's so obvious that this scam is being pushed down our throats (no pun intended).
The Hundred Year Lie is a book that discusses the increase in illness and diseases associated with the synthetic chemicals introduced on our population started about 100 years ago. The website has 5 pages of the "slippery slope index" that is kind of a summary of the information in the book. This is fascinating and very scary stuff.
www.hundredyearlie.com...
[edit on 1-6-2007 by annestacey]

Hi Annestacey,
It's all intermingled and connected. So it does go well in this thread. It reminds me of back in the 1960's, when Mexico had a weight loss pill that was all the rage!! You only had to take one, and it made you lose weight, and really quick, but then you kept losing weight, until you went to the hospital and found what was inside that one pill. It was a tapeworm. By the time doctors had to surgically remove it, it was eating so much of the person's food, they were getting NOTHING of it!! That just goes to show you how gullible and vulnerable we as ordinary people are, that trust that because it is medicine, it is good for us!!

Originally posted by TheLoony
Anyway, the corporations have taken patents on all the stuff the farmers grow, the farmers have no choice to use the seeds which begets the pesticides made by the same company. It comes full circle when the next year they have to give the seeds back because they are no good and buy new ones. Vicious circle they created. Heck, there was an article in Playboy, believe it or not, a few years ago that summed it all up in a few pages. I don't remember all the details, my mind is a bit spotty nowadays. I'll check into those links, soon.

I could ramble forever, there's so much. Not now.

There is a documentary called "The Future of Food" that sounds like what you're talking about. It was on Google and then disappeared, then it was on YouTube and seemed to have disappeared from there as well. But here is the url to the website and you can order the documentary from there.

www.futureoffood.com...

Originally posted by seesinclouds
From California to New Jersey, and one thing that I noticed years ago, was the fact that the farmers on the west coast were using contaminated water to water their fields. I wondered even then what kind of effect this would have on the end product. I saw them in almost every field that I picked up from. So, there is no wonder that people get ill from it eventually. I don't know what kind of cumulative effects it will have on people, but I am SURE that there are some.

When I visited Texas, I was appalled at the situation of the cattle. They have no grass to eat, they are fed grain. They stand in manure all day long that is almost up past their ankles. This is filled with the urine and feces of these animals, and I'm SURE there is disease, for every single corral like this that I saw, I was able to see many sick ones among the healthy looking. And stink? OMG.

So, I am very surprised that there is food that passes any kind of inspection. Especially governmental. And don't even get me started on the conditions that I saw in the plants that process the cows and chickens, such as Kahns in Cincinnati, and the huge Tyson Chicken in Springdale Arkansas. If people really knew how their food was processed, there would be a lot more vegetarians. But then they get bombarded with pesticides, fertilizers, and contaminated water, so I do see a major food crisis coming. Get ready for it!

This just really upsets me. People in the U.S. are so fooled. They think that we live in the best and safest place in the world but yet we are being poisoned and sickened on a daily basis! All the medications that people are on are just making them sicker and the FDA and USDA just allow it to continue. The media is only starting to report on these issues... I guess that is a start... but is it too late to change things? I feel like I want to scream it to the whole world and I feel so helpless to do anything except try to take care of myself and my own family. But how long can I do that?

Originally posted by annestacey
This just really upsets me. People in the U.S. are so fooled. They think that we live in the best and safest place in the world but yet we are being poisoned and sickened on a daily basis! All the medications that people are on are just making them sicker and the FDA and USDA just allow it to continue. The media is only starting to report on these issues... I guess that is a start... but is it too late to change things? I feel like I want to scream it to the whole world and I feel so helpless to do anything except try to take care of myself and my own family. But how long can I do that?

Well, there was a time when medications in the USA had to go through rigid trials and everything. Now, you see everyday on tv, the commercials that say, "may cause bleeding stomach ulcers or even death in some cases". I don't think that this would fly years ago. Now, you see all of the class action law suits against a number of medicine makers, and different medications being yanked off of the shelves everyday. Just recently it was baby cold syrums. Kind of reminds you of the old days when they would sell bottles of snake oil and tell you that it would cure a multitude of ailments. I think I would prefer the ailment I started with.

I also think it would be a step in the right direction to make sure that the ones that are supposed to be enforcing regulations in the packing plants, don't give the plants up to a 2 week notice that they are coming to inspect. What do they expect to find after they warn them??

And, I find it funny, that when drug dealers and cooks make meth, they use a chemical which they steal from the farmer's tanks, called anhydrous. In Cincinnati, if a house is found to have been used to make the meth drug, it is torn down to the ground, as it has been found to leave a residue, that cannot be cleaned up, and it makes people very ill. The farmers use this on their crops, from corn to whatever! Follow behind a tractor that is pulling one of these tanks, and it smells of ammonia so bad that you have to roll up your windows. So, what's up with that???

Anne, are you talking something with Deborah Garcia? I found a movie with that title on Google, I'll watch it in a few. looks like what you were talking about. I didn't go to the link I just looked it up and VOILA! Gonna watch it in a few minutes. Thanks!

Sees, yeah, water. Can't even trust rainwater to water the plants, what with all the stuff they are dumping on us.

A thought. Why is it that I can see all the connections, what is going on around us? I'm pretty much a normal Joe, maybe a little over average intelligence but nothing special. If I'm so smart then why am I working for just over $8/hr. at my age? Lots of factors in that one, a discussion for another time. Part of it is I won't sell my soul to Corporate Amerika for money. Screw them.

I'm off to watch the flick now.

Originally posted by TheLoony
Anne, are you talking something with Deborah Garcia? I found a movie with that title on Google, I'll watch it in a few. looks like what you were talking about. I didn't go to the link I just looked it up and VOILA! Gonna watch it in a few minutes. Thanks!

Yes that's the one. I'm glad you found it. Hey post the link here for the others to check out as well!

Originally posted by TheLoony
A thought. Why is it that I can see all the connections, what is going on around us? I'm pretty much a normal Joe, maybe a little over average intelligence but nothing special. If I'm so smart then why am I working for just over $8/hr. at my age? Lots of factors in that one, a discussion for another time. Part of it is I won't sell my soul to Corporate Amerika for money. Screw them.

I feel the same way but my working situation is a bit different. I am educated and have been working as a software developer for the last 15+ years but I have become so disgusted with companies and watching how they screw everyone to make more money for themselves just got to be too much for me. So I left my job to run my own web development company and I'm hoping that it works out because I really don't think I can go back to "corporate amerika" and keep my sanity.

www.youtube.com...

Not sure how to post a link here. That should do for now. It's split up into parts. There also is an interview with her about the subject which I just got done with. It's truly scary. Haven't even seen most of the movie. I knew much of this stuff but I needed to have it bashed into my head again. Some stuff I didn't know - how fertilizer came to be is one. Many thanks!

Originally posted by TheLoony
www.youtube.com...

Not sure how to post a link here. That should do for now. It's split up into parts. There also is an interview with her about the subject which I just got done with. It's truly scary. Haven't even seen most of the movie. I knew much of this stuff but I needed to have it bashed into my head again. Some stuff I didn't know - how fertilizer came to be is one. Many thanks!

Yes. Fertilizer and pesticides are all made from highly dangerous chemicals and the FDA tells us they're harmless.

Can we stop this planet so I can get off?

Originally posted by seesinclouds
Yes, Cincinnati has turned very dangerous. I know that I roll up my windows when going down there.

Ok, so what do you think that all of these things that are happening to you are trying to tell you? As I stated before, I do not believe in wild coincidences.

I don't believe in wild coincidences either. I will tell you this seesinclouds..........this is something I have dared not explain to anyone because they would write me off as another nutcase.............I feel like I have some kind of "presence" if you will............almost someone supernatural who guides me. Have you ever heard of the Indian boy who goes with you when you are driving in your car on a trip?? It is an old superstition but everytime I have averted some kind of weird danger on the road I attribute it to my "indian boy" who rides with me.

Did this "man" that you ran into that helped you 'take' anything from you?

I did not "run" into this man. I sought him out, I was out one day and found him. It was a total fluke, I wasn't looking for him, I didn't know him, something (instinct) guided me to him. He did NOT take anything from me nor did he ask me for anything. He was a kindred spirit. That is all I can tell you. I have looked for him since then and he is nowhere to be found.

Do you know anyone in Ft. Hood? Are you considering doing something more structured, like joining the army? For safety?

This whole nightmare began when I was going through a divorce. I was set up by my ex and his Ret.Lt. General father who had pentagon connections and still did "Consulting" work. His brother is CIA. Hell no I'm not thinking of joining the army. When I first moved here to Austin and called to get cable/internet service, someone from the Ft. Hood area (over an hour drive from here) came to install it. I had problems from the beginning, called my ISP who sent another tech out from Austin. He looked on the line outside, my box outside, in the attic and then went to the wall where he found something unusual.

Why are you estranged from your family? Your brothers? Sister? What is the problem with your father?

None of my family have believed in my fight for all the things that happened to me. I was a whistleblower in a big Medicare/IRS fraud case and I got set up big time after that. I quit talking to any of them after all the bizarre stuff in TX started happening to me because I knew I was dealing with some seriously deranged powerful people and I began to wonder if they would go after them. I was also shamed by two of my sisters for being a whistleblower. My parents have been deceased 25 years, I don't recall mentioning my father.

It's strange that the lady held up a CD of Christopher Cross. I once saw him in concert when he first started out at the super dome.

I know....especially since she pulled up right next to me and was real obvious about it. I like his song....Ride Like the Wind. Maybe there was some message there I still haven't figured out.

I hear your cry for help, and do sense danger around you. What is the matter? It seems rather urgent for some reason. If it is too long to read on here, U2U me.

Sees......I used to sense the danger more accutely than I do now, for some reason the "real" threat seems to be over as if whoever sought to do me harm has been caught or something. What I feel now is that people are "watching" me.........I don't know who they are, a lot of people know where I work because it is Public........it feels to me like a lot of people know what I am going through but they are afraid to approach me. Maybe I am being paranoid, but I have a very good reason for it. I may take you up on the U2U....I don't know what it is though.



[edit on 2-6-2007 by Jillian_Bacardi]

Originally posted by seesinclouds


As far as money goes, and the apprehension you feel over it, be patient. I see that you have alot of creativity

Originally posted by seesinclouds

Originally posted by Jillian_Bacardi
Hell hath no Fury.................you can only push a person so far, they have pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed.
I have only defended myself.

Remember, no extremes. Sometimes, before we do anything drastic, (push back) we must just walk away. Far away. At least then, the push is not so shocking, you will be free, and you won't be in 'their' clutches. I believe that it was Jesus, in Matthew, that said, "If they persecute you in this city, flee thee to another.

You are right, everytime something new comes along to trip me up.......I get angry. This has been like a neverending nightmare. I can tell you this.........I am getting rid of my last remaining assets. They can't take anything else away from me.

It is almost a relief. Maybe they will leave me alone now.

Originally posted by Jillian_Bacardi
I don't believe in wild coincidences either. It is an old superstition but everytime I have averted some kind of weird danger on the road I attribute it to my "indian boy" who rides with me.

This Indian boy 'guide' that you mention, does he happen to look like the spirit captured here?
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This is a pic of me in a cave in the southwest. There were many caves in this range, and I felt led to this one, by a mountain ram, that stood in this same spot moments before my pic was taken there.

He was a kindred spirit. That is all I can tell you. I have looked for him since then and he is nowhere to be found.

I am very interested in this man! How did he help you? Did you sense a color associated w/ him?

He looked on the line outside, my box outside, in the attic and then went to the wall where he found something unusual.

What did he find?

I quit talking to any of them after all the bizarre stuff in TX started happening to me because I knew I was dealing with some seriously deranged powerful people and I began to wonder if they would go after them.

The Gov thinks of people in 3 ways...liars, idiots, or trouble makers. With you having a connection via the father in law to higher gov office, you could be considered a troublemaker by them. Once being labeled that way, you very possible could be 'watched' by them.

I like his song....Ride Like the Wind. Maybe there was some message there I still haven't figured out.

On that same CD, I believe there is a song with lyrics about getting caught between the moon and NYC. The next line is, "I know it's crazy, but it's true".

I may take you up on the U2U....I don't know what it is though.

At the top of these pages, is a link that either says, Member Center, or U2U. This will take you to an email system, through this site, for messages just between us. If it says u2u, it means that you have a personal email to you. It should, as the other nite, I sent you one, and it hasn't been answered.

Originally posted by Jillian_Bacardi
And even though I have resigned myself to losing the last asset I have, my home, my biggest worry is not for me but what am I going to do with my dogs??? I guess you would have to be an animal lover to understand my commitment.

I am an animal lover, especially a dog lover and understand exactly what you are saying. Having said that, I have found that many landlords will accept them, provided you pay extra each month for them, as well as extra deposit. If my dog can't live there, I won't either. You have such a sweet soul, and having that, there will always be those who try to use it against you, or to try to put out the light that shines from you. You care about the ones who cannot speak for themselves, and it brings out your strength and anger. Rightfully so. Rock on with your Sweet Heart. Let it shine. People aren't used to having sh#t shoved back in their faces. Keep calling it as you see it, for you see more than they ever could. They want to turn the blind eye, not get involved. They have always wanted to kill the messenger.

The only light haired woman I can think of is the bitch from hell power-hungry manager of the store I work who tried to fire me. Other than her, I can't think of any other light-haired women since this is TX.

Keep your eyes open for the next month. Watch for this light haired woman. And don't trust her.

Lastly, read your u2u. The offer still stands. Just a complete change of pace, attitude, and latitude! lol Seriously though, if you have nothing, they can take nothing from you. Hugz to you. I love your soul.

Oh, and Jillian, the dogs are welcome as well.

Jillian, I'll send some positive vibes your way. I do hope all works out well, for you and your dogs. Meaningless words.

Sees, good job on making that offer. I would have, actually tried but can't send messages. Stupid of me, my place is tiny, but I sometimes just can't sit by and watch things happen.

Anne, I watched that flick. I am a stocker at a Kroger grocery store and last night I really felt reprehensible, putting that garbage out on the shelf. One of my sections is the soap/cleaners/insecticide aisle - I had a different "view" of all that last night. I have been wondering what smelling all that crap will do to me. Fabric softeners are really noxious, some boxes have leftover that flies out when the box is broken down - how much of that am I really ingesting? And why do we need all that junk? From one of your links I found this quite interesting:

www.newstarget.com...

Every little part of our lives needs to be reexamined. "Better living through chemistry", ahem, NO! If we never needed them before why do we need them now? And looking at the hundred year lie I see we are getting sicker than we used to be. Land,air,water, it's all contaminated. Using all those chemicals and washing them down the drain cannot be good at all.

The food issue is almost too much to bear. Looking at the produce section at my store I'm just in awe of what's not there. Whatever happened to red tomatoes that actually taste like a tomato? Last year I worked produce for Sprouts Farmers Market(there's a lie right there in their name) and most of the produce came from Mexico and Peru. Why? I'm not quite sure why that is, I can speculate but I'm no expert. It doesn't really matter, as the movie points out the seeds will end up everywhere, no matter how hard they try to keep them apart, away, it will happen. Then let the terminator gene get out and all will be done with. No more food. Kill every growing thing, possibly.

Ugh. Yeah, stop the world, I'm with you on that one. Or just find me an island in the middle of nowhere, maybe a cave.

Originally posted by KTK
Jillian, if you lived in australia i would let you stay with me. Though the zionist mafia is rife here as well.

Im interested in what you know as this is the only way to find out the truth. People make a big deal about trusting official government, scientists,doctors etc for proof. Proof of what? only what they want you to know. Our media is part of it. Even toy companies(i have banned bratz dolls for my daughter,its teaching girls to be whores for materialism). Im still trying to figure out this whore agenda. Maybe they are trying to breakdown the nuturing side of females early so that they become paris clones. I feel that the sexualisation of children is part of this bigger picture i just cant figure out how. This subject need its own thread.


I always find that truth is stranger than fiction. Anyone that has joined the dots and figured out the real evil in the world would be supporting both of you.

KTK...........thank you so much for the offer. My dream is to visit Australia one day.......if I do, maybe we can meet up. I am concerned about the sexualization of children also......people have been desensitized by all the porn, graphic sexual images all around us.......it is nothing anymore.