Can you see us? Secret Branch of Government

Originally posted by seesinclouds
Oh, and Jillian, the dogs are welcome as well.

You are one of the nicest men I have ever communicated with online. I have answered your message..........I found it.
Looney..........thanks for the words of encouragement.

The TB post, it is quite unusual to say the least..it took the feds a while to catch this guy and he is a lawyer, you would think he would know better........I have been following the story, will add more comments later.

Hi Loony,
I know this probably doesn't fit well with the link you provided, but did you know that forensic scientists can use fabric softener to rehydrate the dead skin on a finger, almost make it like it was fresh again, enough to get fingerprints off of it? Wonder what that would do for my wrinkles!! lol lol lol

Originally posted by Jillian_Bacardi
You are one of the nicest men I have ever communicated with online.
The TB post, it is quite unusual to say the least..it took the feds a while to catch this guy and he is a lawyer, you would think he would know better........I have been following the story, will add more comments later.

Hi Jillian...
I am a woman, lol. Understandable mistake. lol

On the tb thing, turns out his father in law is in the CDC. Think he has been getting into the little jars? Perhaps he didn't want him married to his daughter anymore?

Originally posted by seesinclouds
but did you know that forensic scientists can use fabric softener to rehydrate the dead skin on a finger, almost make it like it was fresh again, enough to get fingerprints off of it? Wonder what that would do for my wrinkles!! lol lol lol

News to me. That's ok, use the chemicals on a dead person, fine. Just don't use them on me. I don't need to ingest any more. I did enough in the 80's.

Originally posted by seesinclouds

This Indian boy 'guide' that you mention, does he happen to look like the spirit captured here?
img5.ranchoweb.com...
This is a pic of me in a cave in the southwest. There were many caves in this range, and I felt led to this one, by a mountain ram, that stood in this same spot moments before my pic was taken there.

No, he doesn't look like him he is younger. It is hard to explain but I have had an Indian boy since I was like 18 years old. He is a spirit, almost ghostly because you don't see him as clearly as a picture but he has been with me a long time. I don't feel his presence as often as I used to but he is always there on long trips I take............like the one when I move to Texas. I hadn't "felt" him in a while and I am always happy when he goes with me on a journey. He is a happy spirit..........wild, carefree. I would guess him to be 8 years old maybe, long hair, he never wears a shirt, always is on the right side, over my shoulder or a tad behind me, never in front. He is always looking straight ahead but he loves me. He laughs.

This sounds really weird which is why I never tell anyone. The only other person who has heard/felt an Indian spirit is my best and oldest friend who lives in Wash State.

hello everyone



I cant u2u so ill have to communicate through here. I want to bring up the earth changes sees sees. Will these counteract the governments black ops?



I know that if i had parasites on my body i would wash them away, ive always known the earth is its own entity. Even without using any insight common sense would dictate this.

In a way im hoping for this cause it seems to be the only way for humans to take check of themselves and re evaluate whats important.

I suppose this is the part where i become selfish and ask whats the go for us down here. What areas will be safest? What direction should my family go in? I figure there has to be a part of oz uneffected. Im also hoping the govs underground safty bunkers get flooded or ripped open from fault lines.What countries are more at risk? And more importantly whats the best way to prepare?

Although i often think what would be the point surving it when the only other survivers are those red neck survivalist types and the hidden government.

Hi KTK,
I see the earth changes as going hand in hand with the government plans. Their plans have already started being put into action. Any damage done by the earths shifting and changing climate will only help them in their mission. Basically, as you said, it will irradicate most of the 'parasites' from the face of it. But not all. And at that time, 'they' will be poised for action. And who will be able to stop them. They have what they need to replant or reseed the earth, if it is still reseedable. And they have stockpiles of food, deep in the ground, that would feed armies!! Back in the 1970's, the discovery of their stockpile of cheese was purely accidental, and they were forced to start the food programs passing it out. They were not happy about it either! Trust me, they have stockpiles of food, and you would never find it. They are ready.

As for where to go when this all happens, I don't know why, but I have been drawn to the Northern New Mexico area all my life. I have gone there because of this very strong pull, however, once I get there, it's like, "ok, what am I supposed to do now?" As far as just using my head, not any seeing, I think it would be best to be on the northeastern most part of any existing desert. I don't think I would be anywhere near any large body of water at all. I also don't think I would want to be anywhere around a mountain when it happens. And I hope that it does not happen during the winter time. And I think that wherever I was, I would want to have my own stockpile of food, such as canned beef, beans, and those little packets of chicken and tuna that are sealed for life! As for where to stockpile it, you would have to have it in a bunker that would not be torn apart by the shifting ground. If it shifts only a few inches, we will indeed be in trouble. But I see it shifting many miles in the blink of an eye. So, unless its in space, or way down deep below the earths crust, I don't think that many stockpiles will be of any use. And if it does happen in this way, I don't think you'd much care anyway.

Hi to all the brave souls on here.

First off let me just say this has been a really good thread to read and quite devoid of all the normal harsh comment’s. I had decided not to post on this site again due to seeing innocent people being beaten down for being open. But reading this has prompted me to put my little piece in.
Specially to you sees in clouds and I must admit upon reading your first post on this thread and what you were proposing or dreaming/vision was not as far fetched as some might tend to think, in fact very possible as you will see from the links I posted below and from what you have already discovered yourself (nice work by the way). I have no issue believing you do what you say. I myself have a friend who is a medium (able to contact sprits amongst other things, she is very good) and I trust her completely.


What some people have said/posted on this thread makes a lot of sense. I have known there was something wrong for a while but reading and listening to what people say and seeing things for my self confirms this belief.
The world is wrong (or at least we are not living in harmony with her) but I think most of you know this or else you would not be here seeking answers; looking for people who understand what you see and feel. I am one of those people 2. My own experiences include having seen a ghost/spirit and do not doubt me on that (will explain some other time but for now I just want you to know how I arrived at my current beliefs and views and why I believe the things I do). I have also had a U.F.O. sighting in the daytime again don’t ask as not enough room to type lol these experiences and more confirm to me that there is so much more to life than meets the eyes, more than we are allowed to know. I wish I could say more but just do not have the room or time.

Here are three links I have come across which I thought might be relevant here.

www.rense.com... Make up your own mind but me thinks not good.

www.bariumblues.com... Relates to chem trails again judge for yourself.

www.holyhealthy.com... Some interesting stuff here.

No one has mentioned the honey bee issue; look into it if you don’t know about it. I believe its just the tip of the ice-berg nature/food issue.

There is just too much going on in the world to put in this post but either way these issues are only dividing us when we should stand together; work together. I myself have had an idea. I will not say here what it is but rest assured I am working on it.

What I wanted to ask you sees in clouds is have you any idea what will save us from this end? Do you think this vision a certainty or avoidable?

The reason I ask this is because recently I have begun to believe it might be too late to stop this or bring them down. My reason being is that we the so called free people of the earth have sat back living out our daily lives allowing governments and god knows who else to develop these crazy weapons and advanced technology so that if we (as in all) of us even think about throwing our hands in the air and saying enough is enough; they will turn the very things we funded to be built against us. Our own history says enough about what people can be capable of.
I hope my feeling is wrong but I don’t think so.

Also I myself have only had about 5 or 6 dreams that I remember over the last few years and they have always been helping people escape from the darkness, I have been there in my dreams but I never know who I am saving, they are so deep. Only my friend knows about this (any thoughts on that?).

Hope you find those links interesting and would like to hear what you think regarding my question.
Oh and I am glad you never gave up on the thread sees in clouds plus cam I add u to my friends list please?

Originally posted by WeAreOne
What I wanted to ask you sees in clouds is have you any idea what will save us from this end? Do you think this vision a certainty or avoidable?

I think it is unavoidable and will happen with a certainty. It is too late to stop them. The whole thing has already been set into motion. This thread, seems to be bringing a number of different pieces to the same puzzle. And you're right in saying that the technology will be turned against us. It was for that purpose that it was created in the first place. So, I do not think you are wrong in your assumption.

Also I myself have only had about 5 or 6 dreams that I remember over the last few years and they have always been helping people escape from the darkness, I have been there in my dreams but I never know who I am saving, they are so deep. Only my friend knows about this (any thoughts on that?).

Could mean a couple of things. 1) You could feel that people are totally asleep in the darkness of reality. Asleep to what is going on. And since you obviously have had a peek into what IS going on, you feel almost helpless to help people see. And your message may help people, though you may not know whom. OR, 2) You didn't mention if you were Catholic or not, but it puts me in mind of "Our Lady of Guadalupe, Intercessor of the Unborn" and prayers that are supposed to be said, to save the unknown and unborn souls, who may be in danger of abortion. In saying the prayer that goes with it, "Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I love you very much. I beg you to spare the life of the unborn baby that I have spiritually adopted who is in danger of abortion." That is the prayer. They go on to say,"During your earthly life this spiritually adoped child of yours will be known only to God but in the world to come it is hoped that you will meet the child whose life was spared by your prayers and spend eternal happiness with them."

You have been added to my list of friends! Thank you for the links!

Hidden cheese in the 70s? I have never heard about this, mind i was only born in 1979 and i dont live in the us so it may have skipped me.



Heres a far out notion that may relate to survival.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Its a bit much to get your head around but if you have seen what the bleep and follow the elites are satanists threads then the notion will be familiar.


Is it posible to nail this manifetation stuff for survival?


Ive always put it in the black box mind you i believe your basic material prayers are black as well.


Id cop the karma for food. Ive always wondered whether i should learn energy healing and the like for the just in case scenarios and to give a middle finger to the pharma companies.



Sees funny you mentioned north east of any dessert, it almost my spot where i wish to go. Though i was going to be sitting on the range that divides the sea from the desert. Is that still a mountian and why are you worried about mountains?


Are the earth slips related to what they call planet x, nirubu or wormwood in the bible? there are many threads about this planet making a return and causing a pole shift.


Is this a "natural" cycle that can be traced back to all the ancient flood myths(even our Aboriginals have flood myths)



So many questions



p.s i love this thread

Well, they just started the city wide roundup of criminals in Cincinnati. This just on channel 12 breaking news....the team is called SOFAST, and they literally called it a 'round-up'. See, these things are coming about quickly now!! I told you!! Below is the newscast given just moments ago!

www.local12.com...@video.wkrc.com&navCatId=5

Originally posted by seesinclouds
Well, they just started the city wide roundup of criminals in Cincinnati. This just on channel 12 breaking news....the team is called SOFAST, and they literally called it a 'round-up'. See, these things are coming about quickly now!! I told you!! Below is the newscast given just moments ago!

www.local12.com...@video.wkrc.com&navCatId=5

After you see the video, can you see how most of the population will rally behind this effort? Henry Kissinger once said,"To get the support of the majority of the people there has to be a threat, or even a perceived threat."

Originally posted by KTK
Hidden cheese in the 70s? I have never heard about this, mind i was only born in 1979 and i dont live in the us so it may have skipped me.

Yes, you are too young to remember it. Guess I'm giving away my age! lol A member of the media back in the 70's stumbled upon a massive government stockpile of cheese and other foods. Once the news of it broke, people were up in arms over it, as there were many people here in America, who were hungry! Hence, the government programs that give food to the hungry people, through government programs. But this was not the original plan. This food was NOT being stockpiled to give away to the American people. That was never the intent.

Id cop the karma for food. Ive always wondered whether i should learn energy healing and the like for the just in case scenarios and to give a middle finger to the pharma companies.

You'd be surprised what a starving person would trade for food. And a person would give up most of their rights for safety.

Sees funny you mentioned north east of any dessert, it almost my spot where i wish to go. Though i was going to be sitting on the range that divides the sea from the desert. Is that still a mountian and why are you worried about mountains?

I believe that the deserts were once sea floor. You can see how far inland the water came the last time, just by looking at the map. As far as the mountains, imagine a pile of rock sitting on a table cloth on top of the table. When you pull the cloth over a couple of feet, what happens to your pile of rocks? They don't just sit there like a wine glass. They all fall down and scatter. But in this case scenario, maybe a falling rock wouldn't be the worst way to die.
Are the earth slips related to what they call planet x, nirubu or wormwood in the bible? there are many threads about this planet making a return and causing a pole shift.
I believe it has to do with our magnetic pole. I'm not sure, but I think it is scientifically described as a 'rubber band theory'. I believe that it is a natural cycle, and we can do absolutely nothing to stop it. Imagine a golf ball being our world. Do you see a safe place to hide on it? The only safe place would be far down in the center, below the ball covering.

Hi All ..

I have been reading this thread with interest, i wanted to ask seesinclouds if she can interpret any of my dreams etc .. i'm really sorry for going off topic (i think its off topic) .. i did try to u2u but i haven't sent enough posts as yet .. anyway .. briefly ..

When i was a small child i used to have a reoccurring dream, i was stood right next to, what i can only describe as a bomb or the front of an aircraft.. it was huge.. nothing ever happened in the dream but i was so so terrified, i just know whatever it is, it is very very bad. As i got older i used to have a reoccurring dream where the skies were filled with brights lights of different colours, shapes and sizes but far up in the sky, they weren't lights that were being shone there, they were more ufo/flying vehicle in nature.. again nothing happens to me and this one isn't so terrifying, its quite a sight.

When anyone close to me passes away i dream of them pretty soon after like last night, i had a "quick" dream of a friend who passed away 3 weeks ago, she was collecting glasses in a local club i go in with friends (a job her son does now) we hugged and then she went away smiling.. i had started last night by trying to concentrate on my hands as i felt sleepy (as you had told someone elso to try).. i was attempting astral travel (i have tried before and have never been successful) .. before i know it.. i'm dreaming of a cat .. i'm petting it and its purring when all of a sudden it viciously turns on me leaving my hands with deep wounds and red with blood.

Finally .. i have an American friend whom i'm going to visit soon, she's always gone on about New Mexico and how she wants to go there with me some time, she's never been there and feels drawn there .. i saw you also felt drawn there..

About me.. i'm of sound mind, i work and have a loving family and kids.. i have always felt tested emotionally in life, i believe something isn't right in the world, times seem to be getting more and more difficult and it feels like the governments are wiping out the middle class.. i'm starting to disbelieve in most things i see in the news and it is mostly war anyway..

Anyway ... once again .. sorry if i have gone off topic and sorry if my post is meaningless, thank you for reading this and hope you have some take on my dreams etc.. sorry to post to everyone and sorry for the length, i would have preferred to u2u sees.. peace to all .. satellite1

Very weird coincidence .. when i finished that last post, i noticed it was 4000 characters exactly.. not intentional.. and another thing i see of late (coincidences with numbers) .. also in other threads i have read..

second thoughts .. i don't think it was .. lol .. i'm tired .. ignore me ..

Originally posted by satellite1
When i was a small child i used to have a reoccurring dream, i was stood right next to, what i can only describe as a bomb or the front of an aircraft.. it was huge.. nothing ever happened in the dream but i was so so terrified, i just know whatever it is, it is very very bad. As i got older i used to have a reoccurring dream where the skies were filled with brights lights of different colours, shapes and sizes but far up in the sky, they weren't lights that were being shone there, they were more ufo/flying vehicle in nature.

This thread, is unusual in its very nature. It speaks of things unseen, but sensed. Therefore, your posts fit right in here. If everyone brings pieces to the puzzle, it may be able to finally show the big picture. As far as the dreams: Perhaps as a child, you could sense things that you couldn't see. Also, as I stated before, only when we are asleep, are we able to escape the confines of our bodies, and the limited use of the brains within them. As a 'loosed' soul, you can see what is going on that is normally hidden. The real surprise, is that you were still able to remember it and the feelings that it gave you, once you awoke.

When anyone close to me passes away i dream of them pretty soon after like last night, i had a "quick" dream of a friend who passed away 3 weeks ago, she was collecting glasses in a local club i go in with friends (a job her son does now) we hugged and then she went away smiling.. i had started last night by trying to concentrate on my hands as i felt sleepy (as you had told someone elso to try).. i was attempting astral travel (i have tried before and have never been successful) .. before i know it.. i'm dreaming of a cat .. i'm petting it and its purring when all of a sudden it viciously turns on me leaving my hands with deep wounds and red with blood.

The reason I said to concentrate on your hands, is so that you will have a connection between the 'other' realm and this one. And something funny and wierd, is that there always seems to be something, in the shape of a usually 'safe' animal in there, trying to stop you from 'consciously' entering. In your case, it is a cat. The very first time for me, it was a man in a bunny suit. Safe and not so scary. Until you came close to him, and saw the malevolence in his eyes. That is why I asked to know who or what you saw while in there. Funny, it attacked your conscious link!

Finally .. i have an American friend whom i'm going to visit soon, she's always gone on about New Mexico and how she wants to go there with me some time, she's never been there and feels drawn there .. i saw you also felt drawn there..

Perhaps more people than we know will end up there. As I stated, once I get there, I usually end up wondering why I am there. Maybe, when the puzzle is finally altogether, we will know, and meet there. Again, thanks for your addition to this thread. We need all the pieces. Even if you only hold one. The consciousness of everyone is connected. I will be interested in your further experiments with the astral travel thing. Please keep us posted as a welcome member of 'our group'. Sees in Clouds

Hi seesinclouds .. thankyou for replying to my post..

With regards to astral travel .. i have always been interested in this, more out of "does it really work?" and wanting to try for myself.. so for the last few weeks, when i go to bed i have tried to just relax and concentrate on my breathing and blank out any thoughts.. to be honest i find it hard relaxing most of the time but there was one time when i had been "relaxing" for about an hour, i felt awake but knew i was near sleep too.. i was still concious.. it was weird but i was sure i wasn't asleep... anyway .. i tried to turn my head.. i was turning it very slowly to the left .. i knew my head was physically in the same place but i felt i was moving it to the left, i felt strange and tingly..also itchy, my eyes weren't seeing anything but the backs of my eyelids/darkness .. i couldn't do anything else and soon physically sat myself up and just looked around.. i was wide awake and feeling a little dissapointed.. i feel if i was almost near astral travel i allowed the tingly itchy feelings to over come the relaxation and "wake" me up.. but i will keep trying.. logically you could say that maybe i was really asleep and it was a dream or i was imagining it .. maybe i was really on the verge of astral travel .. i can't say but i will keep trying and look for new ways to relax etc..

kind regards - satellite1

Hi Satellite1,
So, what do you think it would feel like to you, if you were conscious at the moment your soul was leaving your body? I suspect it would feel exactly how you described it. Tingly and all. I have u2u'd you.

Hi again

First off Thank you sees in clouds for your interpretation of my dreams and putting me on your friends list; I am honoured lol.
You hit the nail on the head with number one. It does boggle my mind why so so so so few people truly see what is going on in the very world around us; just like they are asleep (this concerns me deeply as I wonder how long until I myself fall under this spell). Everything is so wrong, the world should be different; the way we live and what we teach our children, there is no reason that we cannot live at one with mother earth and all her peoples and life forms while applying technology in good ways but NO we have what we have. We should be caretakers of this beautiful planet we are gifted to live on.

As to your second point, my religion is all religions (dont mean to sound big headed) as they all represent different aspects of the one or source. But I must admit that what you mentioned did strike a mark and it too pains me deeply(my personal beliefs though are something else, something I wish I could share with you, as from what you said a few pages earlier in the thread was very close to what I believe and I think that you might understand). You certainly have a gift lady.

I think it is unavoidable and will happen with a certainty. It is too late to stop them. The whole thing has already been set into motion. This thread, seems to be bringing a number of different pieces to the same puzzle. And you're right in saying that the technology will be turned against us. It was for that purpose that it was created in the first place. So, I do not think you are wrong in your assumption.

Now this makes me sad; that you agree it is going to happen regardless of what we do. I so wish I could put up some argument against it but the world is so full of chaos that I find it hard to believe otherwise. The technology is the main problem; they hold all of the keys.
I have been working on a personal project, the reason I tell you this is because even though I feel at times overwhelmed by all the different things going on in the world around me; I refuse to go quietly; I refuse to accept defeat. I may be wrong but is it also wrong to not even try and try I will.

I have another link for you here; it’s a thread from ATS regarding the impending food shortages; worth a read.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Some other things I wanted ask you; I you don’t mind.
Is this was a one off viewing/vision or has it happened many times? Could it be a possible future outcome? i.e. one of many possibilities.
This may sound strange but regardless of the things you have read and listened to about all this government/shadow stuff. Do you feel within yourself that we/human race are without a chance?


Thank you for your time.

satellite1 I know how you feel and on the mexico thing; it does make sense that some of you people should go down there and have a look.
There have been lots of u.f.o. activity down there recently, look for yourselves on the net.