North Korea 'test-fires missiles'

Originally posted by neformore
As for Borgs idea - how many missile does the US test on average a year? Should other countries be bombing your launching facilities and invading you for it?

Exactly, these hypocrites are quite happy for the US to have a massive stock of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons yet want to bomb other countries for daring to try and get these weapons themselves.

Whos more likely to wage war, NK or Iran on the US or the US on NK or Iran? I think we all know the answer.

Originally posted by Flyer

Originally posted by neformore
As for Borgs idea - how many missile does the US test on average a year? Should other countries be bombing your launching facilities and invading you for it?

Exactly, these hypocrites are quite happy for the US to have a massive stock of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons yet want to bomb other countries for daring to try and get these weapons themselves.

Whos more likely to wage war, NK or Iran on the US or the US on NK or Iran? I think we all know the answer.

No, I don't think we do know the answer. Care to expound on that point?

Weapons that hurt really really bad are no longer a deterrent for war. The only deterrent for war now is the ability to undermine your enemies in other ways such as financial espionage or, as in the case of the uranium enriching centrifuges in Iran, industrial sabotage.

The difficulty with dealing with Iran or North Korea is that they have become rather closed to the world in their legal dealings and are now dealing heavily on the blackmarket for things that the United States and other countries manufacture or can obtain easily.

Taking down a nation, if you are already powerful, is not as straightforward as bomb the crap out of the enemy any more. The vacuum effect of obliterating North Korea alone would leave China with a gaping wound along its border geographically and politically that would enable them to respond to other interactions with the US that are already tenuous.

North Korea with the ability to fire missiles and the possibility of nuclear weapons places them in a group of nations that also have those capabilities. North Korea seems to have little else as far as power (i.e., financial, political, resources, etc.)

Would you want a nation like NK to have the kind of leverage as Britain or the US to get what it wants without having earned its place among other civilized nations?

North Korea is not the equivalent of a Joe Schmoe, individual. It is a sovereign nation and is expected to behave in certain ways to other entities/countries. Why do people transfer human characteristics on countries that are comprised of millions of individuals as if each and every one of those people behave as a unit?

Scary enough, North Korea may actually behave in that way, but the people living there should be granted (from the perspective of US citizens) the rights of individuals, no?

Originally posted by newtron25
No, I don't think we do know the answer. Care to expound on that point?

I cannot help you if you arent intelligent enough to understand, it was a pretty blatant point.

Originally posted by newtron25Weapons that hurt really really bad are no longer a deterrent for war. The only deterrent for war now is the ability to undermine your enemies in other ways such as financial espionage or, as in the case of the uranium enriching centrifuges in Iran, industrial sabotage.

Cool, so when is the US going to dump its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons then if they arent needed to stop war?

Originally posted by newtron25
Would you want a nation like NK to have the kind of leverage as Britain or the US to get what it wants without having earned its place among other civilized nations?

They dont have to earn the right for nuclear power or weapons. They are building these things for themselves legally

Originally posted by newtron25.
North Korea is not the equivalent of a Joe Schmoe, individual. It is a sovereign nation and is expected to behave in certain ways to other entities/countries. Why do people transfer human characteristics on countries that are comprised of millions of individuals as if each and every one of those people behave as a unit?

Scary enough, North Korea may actually behave in that way, but the people living there should be granted (from the perspective of US citizens) the rights of individuals, no?

The people from the US are nearly as brainwashed as the North Koreans. They always believe the US is right and can do no wrong and are total hypocrites in thinking they should be allow all weapons but no one else should.

Hey look, I can stereotype too!

Originally posted by Helig
Quickest way to solve this problem: authorize Japan to develop nuclear weapons, I bet from the word go it would take them a year at the most to have nuclear capability with a range sufficient to wipe Pyongyang off of the map. And the best part is that Japan wouldn't ever have to fire a single missle, the effect of being hemmed in on almost all sides by those who don't appreciate their stupidity would keep NK in check, hell the people might even grow a backbone and sort things out themselves.

I have to echo other comments.

Giving Japan the bomb would be suicide, the last thing that area needs is more nuclear weapons.

Its highly disrespectful to say "hell the people might even grow a backbone" when most dissidents are placed into concentration camps and the North Koreans education system is basically a brainwashing machine. Somehow, I don't think the people enjoy living in mass poverty and facing famine, do you? Tell me, how do people rebel against the most oppressive government and fear driven state in the world?

Please do not show blind ignorance.

Originally posted by Flyer

Originally posted by newtron25
No, I don't think we do know the answer. Care to expound on that point?

I cannot help you if you arent intelligent enough to understand, it was a pretty blatant point.

Originally posted by newtron25Weapons that hurt really really bad are no longer a deterrent for war. The only deterrent for war now is the ability to undermine your enemies in other ways such as financial espionage or, as in the case of the uranium enriching centrifuges in Iran, industrial sabotage.

Cool, so when is the US going to dump its nuclear, chemical and biological weapons then if they arent needed to stop war?

Originally posted by newtron25
Would you want a nation like NK to have the kind of leverage as Britain or the US to get what it wants without having earned its place among other civilized nations?

They dont have to earn the right for nuclear power or weapons. They are building these things for themselves legally

Originally posted by newtron25.
North Korea is not the equivalent of a Joe Schmoe, individual. It is a sovereign nation and is expected to behave in certain ways to other entities/countries. Why do people transfer human characteristics on countries that are comprised of millions of individuals as if each and every one of those people behave as a unit?

Scary enough, North Korea may actually behave in that way, but the people living there should be granted (from the perspective of US citizens) the rights of individuals, no?

The people from the US are nearly as brainwashed as the North Koreans. They always believe the US is right and can do no wrong and are total hypocrites in thinking they should be allow all weapons but no one else should.

Hey look, I can stereotype too!

Actually, your point was blatant enough. However, it was also blunt and unsupported.

Now tell me that you actually believe half of what you typed. Instead of reacting, try thinking for a change. The fact is that you may highlight all the evils of the United States, and you may stereotype (although, your usage is weak at best with this word...perhaps hyperbole is more appropriate...look both of them up.) the way people think in the United States, but history will show that the greater amount of good affected in this world has been done by the work of people in the United States.

NOTE: I did not say by the United States Government. I am also qualifying this remark because the population of the United States is just a wee bit more than that of North Korea.

North Korea was formed after the Japanese occupation ended post WWII, and they drew that famous 48th parallel. Now, in 60 years, tell me what good has come from that country? Since 1959 (and you may Wiki-pedia this at your leisure) No. Korea has been progressing from communist country, to dictatorship to dangerous rogue nation.

The United States has done what in its over 200 year history, just by comparison? If you can't answer this one, perhaps you need to dust off your library card or start Googling to freshen up your facts.

Now, don't confuse this post as an endorsement for the current philosophies of the Administration. I don't buy into its desire to either squash an enemy without form or to capitalize on the opportunity to promote "democracy" in Iraq. That country is so unlike western countries in political structure that the task is like trying to teach a toddler how to drive a tractor trailer.

What I am saying is this: if you have either been appointed or you have assumed the role of international leader amongst nations, then you will be called upon to exert power and/or force toward nations that are not existing amongst the larger community in the proper way.

This is not "imperialism". This is not about the United States having all the weapons and no one else. What about North Korea arming itself suitably, instead of showing off weapons that can travel half-way across the globe? Here's another image for you: I am allowed to buy a gun for protection, and in some states, carry one with a permit. Why can't I just shoulder a fully automatic machine gun to take with me to the grocery store? It's just for my own personal safety and it makes me feel good, right?

Things that make you go...hmmmm?

You dont know to much about the United States "Flyer". Americans arent brain washed with anything. If you just looked at what went on here on a daily basis you would understand. There is millions of different view points of everyone. We have multipule Political view points (Republican,Democrat, Green, Independent) with all there own agendas.


We are aloud to have are nukes, because they arent in the hands of crazed terrorists or lunatic dictators. George Bush isnt dropping nukes on anyone and im sure he hasent even thought of it.
Was his plans of Invading Iraq flawful in many ways YES!

Flyer you want us to rid ourselves of these weapons. Then I would ask the same of your nation.

I guess England is still cranky from what happend so many years ago. But wait we also bailed your asses out of a situation in WW2 and helped liberate the world from Nazi Control which has spread throughout your countries and made a reach all the way into Africa.

Country I think that needs a kicking is Iran.........they will see what we can do shortly


Well thats enough for now

Originally posted by KonigKaos
You dont know to much about the United States "Flyer". Americans arent brain washed with anything. If you just looked at what went on here on a daily basis you would understand. There is millions of different view points of everyone. We have multipule Political view points (Republican,Democrat, Green, Independent) with all there own agendas.


We are aloud to have are nukes, because they arent in the hands of crazed terrorists or lunatic dictators. George Bush isnt dropping nukes on anyone and im sure he hasent even thought of it.
Was his plans of Invading Iraq flawful in many ways YES!

Flyer you want us to rid ourselves of these weapons. Then I would ask the same of your nation.

I guess England is still cranky from what happend so many years ago. But wait we also bailed your asses out of a situation in WW2 and helped liberate the world from Nazi Control which has spread throughout your countries and made a reach all the way into Africa.

Country I think that needs a kicking is Iran.........they will see what we can do shortly


Well thats enough for now

I second that, and add that North Korea is NOT Iraq. North Korea is a pro-active government. Iraq is a swamp with places where the mud is so deep that if we are not careful, we may find ourselves unable to pull out of the mud.

Originally posted by KonigKaos
I guess England is still cranky from what happend so many years ago. But wait we also bailed your asses out of a situation in WW2 and helped liberate the world from Nazi Control which has spread throughout your countries and made a reach all the way into Africa.

This has nothing to do with the second world war.

(And its the United Kingdom, not England. Plus, the Nazi's decided not to invade Britain and turned to Russia instead. In Africa and Asia, majority of the British colony were involved. It wasn't all America, so lets not be arrogant shall we?)

back to the subject at hand...

I do expect the Chinese to take a tougher stance soon, but I do not see the Russians changing their attitude. North Korea may not trust China anymore, but its certainly still very warm to Russia.

Country I think that needs a kicking is Iran.........they will see what we can do shortly

I take it you will be joining the army to give Iran "a kicking" or are you just one of these keyboard generals who doesn't want to get their hands dirty?


[edit on 25-5-2007 by infinite]

This is just more N.K.diplomacy at work as usual.Give us what we want now or...or...else!This is one of the most unstable regimes in the world today compliments of lil kim.A changing of the guard there would benefit the n.koreans,their neighbors and the world in general imho.

There is a theory that Korean reunification will happen within 10 years. Both sides want unity, but South Korea do not have that strong of a economy to take on North Korea (Germany is still paying the cost of reunification).

Japan is already a "virtual" nuclear power. They certainly have the fissile materials, technical knowledge and industrial capabilities to build a nuclear weapon in a matter of weeks to months if they really wanted to.

You guys from England, United Kingdom what ever the hell you call it knowadays are so damn stubborn get over yourselfs and stop looking to the United States for everything evil in this world. Every country has a past that they arent happy with but im quite happy with ours. Good old Boston Tea Party hahahahaha. If your nation is also so cranky about Iraq why havent they pulled out yet. Send your Prince, hes eager to die there too.

infinite i realized you dont understand anything with American society so go away with your insults against my country.

I hoped your realized was was talking about two different wars in my post.
Revo and WW2 and yes we did bail you out of WW2 dont think otherwise,

Yes, I realize other countries helped in the liberation thats why I put the word HELPED into my writing previously. But im guessing you took a blind eye to that because you sir are brainwashed.

with my thing about Iran...if my nation activated me to fight in the war I would go, there is something here in the United States its called the Selective Service and im signed up for it and if they need me I will go. But right now its not needed, we have enough troops for the current battle plan in Iraq and Afganistan.

Im know Internet General, i was just stating my point but again you dont understand I know. You actually seem to be an Internet General yourself pal, "AMERICA DISARM YOU WEAPONS...LEAVE IRAQ" blah blah blah blah

I'm glad we have our weapons, you never know we some lunatic country or fantics my SNEAK attack us again examples Japan (Pearl Harbour) and Terrorist (9-11: New York, Pennsylvania, Washington, D.C.)\

We dont threaten to wipe Israel of the map every chance we get!
We dont lob TEST weapons into the Sea of Japan or over Japan
We dont capture Foreign Soldiers on NATO Sanctioned Missions in Iraq Waters.

I know you iwill bring this up so let me toss it out there

WE do capture Iranian Soldiers meddling in Iraq helping the Enemy kill American and British soldiers.

Originally posted by KonigKaos
infinite i realized you dont understand anything with American society so go away with your insults against my country.

I don't think I ever said anything about the United States being evil, hmm not sure and I don't think I was discussing American society either. And I haven't insulted anyone, so please, you may be new but lets not try and draw attention to ourselves shall we?


[edit on 25-5-2007 by infinite]

Originally posted by newtron25
Actually, your point was blatant enough. However, it was also blunt and unsupported.

Anyone with any sense of logic knows the answer based on previous history and current events.

Originally posted by newtron25
Now tell me that you actually believe half of what you typed. Instead of reacting, try thinking for a change. The fact is that you may highlight all the evils of the United States, and you may stereotype (although, your usage is weak at best with this word...perhaps hyperbole is more appropriate...look both of them up.) the way people think in the United States, but history will show that the greater amount of good affected in this world has been done by the work of people in the United States.

No, stereotyping is the right word, I suggest you look up the words.

Originally posted by newtron25
NOTE: I did not say by the United States Government. I am also qualifying this remark because the population of the United States is just a wee bit more than that of North Korea.

North Korea was formed after the Japanese occupation ended post WWII, and they drew that famous 48th parallel. Now, in 60 years, tell me what good has come from that country? Since 1959 (and you may Wiki-pedia this at your leisure) No. Korea has been progressing from communist country, to dictatorship to dangerous rogue nation.

The United States has done what in its over 200 year history, just by comparison? If you can't answer this one, perhaps you need to dust off your library card or start Googling to freshen up your facts.

I dont care what good a country does if they are secular, the US has invaded countries left, right and centre, its got the biggest stock of WMDs, its the only county to use a nuclear bomb on people, we are talking about self defence, not who invented things. Going by your dumb logic, NK should be allowed the bomb if they got a cure for Aids or cancer then?

The US is way more of a threat to world peace than NK will ever be.

Originally posted by newtron25
Now, don't confuse this post as an endorsement for the current philosophies of the Administration. I don't buy into its desire to either squash an enemy without form or to capitalize on the opportunity to promote "democracy" in Iraq. That country is so unlike western countries in political structure that the task is like trying to teach a toddler how to drive a tractor trailer.

What I am saying is this: if you have either been appointed or you have assumed the role of international leader amongst nations, then you will be called upon to exert power and/or force toward nations that are not existing amongst the larger community in the proper way.

This is not "imperialism". This is not about the United States having all the weapons and no one else. What about North Korea arming itself suitably, instead of showing off weapons that can travel half-way across the globe? Here's another image for you: I am allowed to buy a gun for protection, and in some states, carry one with a permit. Why can't I just shoulder a fully automatic machine gun to take with me to the grocery store? It's just for my own personal safety and it makes me feel good, right?

I take it you missed the story about the 2 kids legally taking weapons to the library then?

Originally posted by newtron25
Things that make you go...hmmmm?

Yes, your completely faulty logic. Local guns laws have nothing to do with world politics.

Oh and learn how to quote.

Originally posted by KonigKaos
You dont know to much about the United States "Flyer". Americans arent brain washed with anything. If you just looked at what went on here on a daily basis you would understand. There is millions of different view points of everyone. We have multipule Political view points (Republican,Democrat, Green, Independent) with all there own agendas.


We are aloud to have are nukes, because they arent in the hands of crazed terrorists or lunatic dictators. George Bush isnt dropping nukes on anyone and im sure he hasent even thought of it.
Was his plans of Invading Iraq flawful in many ways YES!

Flyer you want us to rid ourselves of these weapons. Then I would ask the same of your nation.

I would say the same, especially the chemical and biological weapons which Im not sure we have anyway. My point wasnt serious, it was just representing his own stereotyping of a country back on him

Originally posted by KonigKaos
I guess England is still cranky from what happend so many years ago. But wait we also bailed your asses out of a situation in WW2 and helped liberate the world from Nazi Control which has spread throughout your countries and made a reach all the way into Africa.

Country I think that needs a kicking is Iran.........they will see what we can do shortly

Well thats enough for now

Yeah right, it chickened out of the war as long as it could until it had no choice to enter, the nazis never invaded or had control of my country. Learn your facts.

Let's can the attitude folks and get back to the topic, North Korea, just in case this has been forgotten.

Originally posted by Flyer

The self-appointed are given such weighty responsibilities, no?

I feel as though you are straining under yours. How did I do on quoting? Did I get the name right?

As for the attitude, North Korea needs more than 60 years of history, more than a cure for AIDS or cancer, and I believe you recognize what North Korea needs. What you are unwilling to acknowledge is that in this world there are, for better or worse, the weak, the powerful and the wannabes.

Oh, and the loud. There are definitely the loud, and probably by your estimation, the dumb. What you were doing was sarcastic, it was hyperbole and although you employed stereotypes in your description, it would by no means constitute stereotyping, which is an active continuous practice observed over an extended period of time by a person or group.

That's my own def., correct if you will. Stereotypically speaking, North Korea is a street thug with an inferiority complex. The United States is an overgrown bully right now with Dubya at the helm. Nuff said. There, I turned it back into the language of the thread...countries as people. Discuss.

Originally posted by intrepid
Let's can the attitude folks and get back to the topic, North Korea, just in case this has been forgotten.

What is your take, Intrepid? Don't just step in without adding. I'll bet you are a fan of communism and unbridled aggression that you can find in North Korea, hmm?

Originally posted by KonigKaos
You guys from England, United Kingdom what ever the hell you call it knowadays are so damn stubborn get over yourselfs and stop looking to the United States for everything evil in this world.
infinite i realized you dont understand anything with American society so go away with your insults against my country.

I guess this is why people think some Americans are brainwashed.

As for N.K., why don't just ignore it, wonder what it can do. I bet Kim is very happy when he read this thread, he got the attention he wants

Originally posted by darkhero
I bet Kim is very happy when he read this thread, he got the attention he wants

Are you saying that Kim Jong iL is a reader of ATS?!!?