North Korea 'test-fires missiles'

North Korea 'test-fires missiles'

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North Korea has fired several short-range missiles toward the Sea of Japan, according to officials quoted by Japan's Kyodo news agency.

Last July Pyongyang tested a long-range and some medium-range missiles, triggering an international outcry.

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[edit on 25-5-2007 by UM_Gazz]

It seems that North Korea is trying to gain more attention from the international community by firing a series of missiles into the Sea of Japan.

North Korea is demanding a release of funds before it stops its nuclear weapons program, but the US is refusing to until the program is stopped.

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[edit on 25-5-2007 by infinite]

Well, I'm glad to hear it's not nuclear weapons this time, the way it was last year.

Seems to me North Korea does this every time they want attention about something.

They must need attention again.

And then some people are outraged about Japan moving towards bringing into law the extending of its military with offensive capabilities instead of the complete pacifist defensive way its currently written in their constitution.

Iran or Iraq couldn't even dream yet of directly and large scale attacking their supposed enemy (the US) because its to far, and yet the US is attacking them at will.

Now Japan has this complete loon living next door (Kimmy boy) who is rapidly closing into having nuclear strike capabilities in Japan.

Japan being the country in the world that got hit by not 1 but all of the nuclear strikes ever executed.

China will keep DPNK from going upwards, but noone but an offencive capable Japan can keep them from going to them.

Originally posted by infinite
It seems that North Korea is trying to gain more attention from the international community by firing a series of missiles into the Sea of Japan.

I say we give em exactly what they're looking for, attention. Let's pepper their country with our troops from Iraq; send them on some R&R. They can have a nice North Korean picnic. Either that, or simply blow their missile pads up, and tell them to knock that ridiculous stuff off.

Come to think about it, I like the latter better. It would be faster anyway.

TheBorg

China has a lot do with this.

The Chinese are not secret about their dislike for Kim Jong, but will not pull out full support because North Korea will collapse as a State resulting in a power vacuum. Which China doesn't want on her doorstep.

Next Japan. The question is, would Japan make a move if the safety of its nation is at risk? this is what many fear. A war between North Korea and Japan.

And one cannot forget that North Koreans are brainwashed. Meaning that you simply cannot invade, like Iraq, it would be a bloodbath.

Originally posted by TheBorg
Let's pepper their country with our troops from Iraq;

so, how does one invade a country in which the population is brainwashed and told that invasion from America is coming? the people are basically waiting and the country has been designed to repeal an invasion. This is why the US will NEVER take military action against North Korea.

Originally posted by infinite
And one cannot forget that North Koreans are brainwashed. Meaning that you simply cannot invade, like Iraq, it would be a bloodbath.

Which is why we made the B-52 and B-2. They specialize in just such a situation. I call it Operation Ground Pounder. Let the planes lead the way in, and then follow in behind with a minimal number of foot troops to polish up what little is left.

TheBorg

Originally posted by TheBorg
Which is why we made the B-52 and B-2. They specialize in just such a situation. I call it Operation Ground Pounder. Let the planes lead the way in, and then follow in behind with a minimal number of foot troops to polish up what little is left.

man,
you should be a general in the army instead of posting on a internet forum.

no offense, its not that simple. This isn't command and conquer. American forces are based in South Korea, thats a stone throw away from North Korea. South Korea will be on the receiving end of a North Korean strike as well. Don't forget that. Plus there are numerous, secret, invasion tunnels in Korea that the Communist government built.

North Korea has one of the largest armies in the world and I doubt your view of a "walk in the park" strategy is plausible.

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In addition NK has thousands of conventional artillery pieces placed right across the DMZ. And those guns have Seoul and other South Korean cities well withing their range. I serously doubt that USA is willing to see 1000-20000 instant civilian casualities in a friendly nation, due to US agression. And believe me, those guns are locked and loaded and manned by fanatics that will not hesitate to shoot.

For the record, I never said that it'd be a walk in the park. I believe, however, that if they're going to keep pushing our buttons, sooner or later, we'll have to respond. They're doing these things to see just how far we'll let them go. If we keep this up, they might soon be knocking on Hawaii's door demanding that we leave. Let Japan be the ones to remind them of what happens next.

All I'm saying is that we stop pandering about with the rest of the world, and start holding groups accountable for their actions. If someone screws up, then they should suffer consequences equal to their actions.

TheBorg

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[edit on 25-5-2007 by TheBorg]

Originally posted by northwolf
And believe me, those guns are locked and loaded and manned by fanatics that will not hesitate to shoot.

5 stars

I bet you £10, that there is someone sitting on those guns now waiting for the order to pull the trigger.

Remember, the Korean War never ended. Its on a very long ceasefire.

Quickest way to solve this problem: authorize Japan to develop nuclear weapons, I bet from the word go it would take them a year at the most to have nuclear capability with a range sufficient to wipe Pyongyang off of the map. And the best part is that Japan wouldn't ever have to fire a single missle, the effect of being hemmed in on almost all sides by those who don't appreciate their stupidity would keep NK in check, hell the people might even grow a backbone and sort things out themselves.

Originally posted by Helig
Quickest way to solve this problem: authorize Japan to develop nuclear weapons, I bet from the word go it would take them a year at the most to have nuclear capability with a range sufficient to wipe Pyongyang off of the map. And the best part is that Japan wouldn't ever have to fire a single missle, the effect of being hemmed in on almost all sides by those who don't appreciate their stupidity would keep NK in check, hell the people might even grow a backbone and sort things out themselves.

Man, you know nothing about history do you?

I suggest you read up on Chinese history, and what Japan did to their country in WW2, then look at the problems caused because of the Japanese annexation of Korea from 1910 - 1945.

Japan with nuclear weapons is like throwing a lit match into a leaking petroleum refinery.

After that maybe you ought to realise that the Japanese people would never sanction the development of nuclear weapons in their country because of certain events in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

As for Borgs idea - how many missile does the US test on average a year? Should other countries be bombing your launching facilities and invading you for it?

Well since the missile launches were a part of an routine military exercise the best thing to do in this case would be to ignore the child that is seeking attention . In the mean time a full economic blockade needs to imposed on North Korea and more political pressure needs to applied to China and Russia in order to get those two countries to cut off aid to North Korea.

If needed one it is operational the US missile defence system could be deployed in the region.
Once all aid is cut off to North Korea the state will collapse and millions of people will have been liberated and democracy will have been spread.
I don't understand how the US can plant an army in the Middle East in the name of global security and yet take no measures against North Korea which would only require a min in resources deployed in comparison.

[edit on 25-5-2007 by xpert11]

Aren't there ABM capable warships sailing around NK? Or at least between NK and Japan. And F-22s Deployed to Kadena should be quite a deterrent if Kim-boy decides to start refuelling his ICBMs again, but to strike before a launch is imminent would be a foolish sacrifice of innocent lives.

Now I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'll leave the morals up to those who feel the need, but there is a simple reason that the western powers are no longer able to win a war.

We spend more effort worrying about civilians than we do about our own troops.

We did 'carpet bombing' in Germany, and that made the real difference in how long the war lasted there. We nuked Japan rather than fight on conventionally, and lose troops.

We can no longer win in any conflict where the enemy is willing to fight no holds barred and we are not.

And we may be in danger of moralizing ourselves into extinction.

Originally posted by TheBorg
All I'm saying is that we stop pandering about with the rest of the world, and start holding groups accountable for their actions. If someone screws up, then they should suffer consequences equal to their actions.

It that applied to the US, there wouldnt be much left of it. You want rules applied to other countries but not your own.

You are a typical keyboard warrior, beating your chest but unwilling to take part in the action you preach.

Its very easy to speak tough behind your monitor, isnt it?

On the NK, subject, I think they have every right to defend themselves after all, an attack by the US is far more likely than NK attacking anyone else, everyone should stay out of it unless they invade another country, same with Iran.

OT:
You are incorrect on the WW2 carbet bombing, had those bombloads that were directed to residential targets (Dresden for example) targetted to industrial targets the war would have ended 2-4 months sooner than it did.

Quoted that estimate from Memoirs of Albert Speer, german armament minister.

Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by Helig
Quickest way to solve this problem: authorize Japan to develop nuclear weapons, I bet from the word go it would take them a year at the most to have nuclear capability with a range sufficient to wipe Pyongyang off of the map. And the best part is that Japan wouldn't ever have to fire a single missle, the effect of being hemmed in on almost all sides by those who don't appreciate their stupidity would keep NK in check, hell the people might even grow a backbone and sort things out themselves.

Man, you know nothing about history do you?

I suggest you read up on Chinese history, and what Japan did to their country in WW2, then look at the problems caused because of the Japanese annexation of Korea from 1910 - 1945.

Japan with nuclear weapons is like throwing a lit match into a leaking petroleum refinery.

After that maybe you ought to realise that the Japanese people would never sanction the development of nuclear weapons in their country because of certain events in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

As for Borgs idea - how many missile does the US test on average a year? Should other countries be bombing your launching facilities and invading you for it?

This activity is exactly why we (the US) are testing an anti-missile system.

As for your comment on "how many missles does the US test": I'm not sure you can make that correlation. Apples to oranges. North Korea can not be viewed in the same way historically or presently in the same way as the United States. Unfortunately, the world does not work like a socialist or democratic society, and all participants and sovereign citizens are not created equal. The reality is countries exist in a fashion that is rather like a Darwinian progression. A modified Darwinian progression, actually, because ultimately sentience kicks in, but there is a pecking order.

And North Korea is pretty low on that list, no matter how many missiles, conventional weapons or other threatening hardware it may be in possession of.