I stand by War On Terrorism and Love United States

Originally posted by redseal


The last thing we need here is a mod "denying ignorance"!!

Isn't that the purpose of the site? You would prefer that the mods promoted ignorance?

Originally posted by redseal
The war on terror is not 3rd gen nukes planted in the world trade center for insurance money!

The world trade center has nothing to do with a war been wagged against Iraq, but Oil is.

Corporate agenda?? Why am I paying 3.50 a gallon for gas?? First it was "IRAQ for oil" now its corporate agenda since the previous has seem to run a muck! When one idea fails just try another!!

The money to be made in Iraq and its rights to the Iraqi oil has nothing to do with us americans citizens, we are the ones to be giving our lives and blood with our troops so this administration and his cronies can benefit and profit, it has nothing to do with you or me, we will be paying high gas prices while others reap the profits.

If you have not learn how the division of class works in this country then you are truly incapable of understanding what is going on right now with our corrupted government and its war purpose.

Sad.

BTW do not use my spelling to justify your ignorance English is not my first language even when I am a born American.

This is typical rebulican vs. democrat rhetoric.

Your are so full of it that only ignorance can justified your comments.

Originally posted by redseal

So far, that is the last thing he has done, his war on terror is nothing than a corporate agenda, and even his own political party are against what he has done so far. . .

Corporate agenda?? Why am I paying 3.50 a gallon for gas?? First it was "IRAQ for oil" now its corporate agenda since the previous has seem to run a muck! When one idea fails just try another!!

Id say both corporate and oil agenda's are one and the same. Though the corporate agenda isnt limited to simply oil, cant forget that soon to be "reserve army of cheap labour" known as the iraqi civilians. Iraq was as much about securing Oil interests (just as in the first gulf war), as it was about securing another stronghold for the global capitalist accumulation system.

[edit on 23-5-2007 by InSpiteOf]

Originally posted by redseal
Hey you got those numbers yet??

The last thing we need here is a mod "denying ignorance"!!

So lets see those numbers, if they are true!

Here you go mate. Check it out:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

See what a few words will do here!

Arayanwatcher, I hope you are still following this thread!

The second you stand up and say you are a proud American, everyone here will try to bash you down to their level!

And its a shame that alot of them are americans them selvelves!!

Makes you wonder why they still live here?

Love it or leave it folks, you cant have it both ways!!!!

OH by the way, INTREPID you got me, kudos on that!

now when you say you support the "war on terrorism," what exactly does that mean?

Terrorism is a technique, or rather a word to describe the methods and motives of certain events. That being said, I understand how you could be against the concept, but how do you wage war on a concept?

You can fight the methods - for example, disarming bombs, raiding biochemical labs, etc. however, that does not address the motives. And since bombs are not inherently evil, or terrorist, simply disarming a bomb is not fighting terrorism. Much like killing a terrorist is not fighting terrorism - the terrorist is a person, which is not inherently evil either.

Again, how can you wage war on a concept that is open to vast interpretation? Who gets to define terrorism?

Originally posted by redseal
The second you stand up and say you are a proud American, everyone here will try to bash you down to their level!

as if being a proud american makes you better than anyone else.

And its a shame that alot of them are americans them selvelves!!

it's a shame that americans voice critical opinions of their own country? isn't that how the civil rights movement started? isn't that how slavery ended? isn't that how women got the vote?

Makes you wonder why they still live here?

simple answer: to try and make things better

Love it or leave it folks, you cant have it both ways!!!!

if you want to be narrow-minded about it, go ahead. i'd prefer to love it when it deserves to be loved and try to change it when it doesn't.

You assume that those who question, who want meaningful change in our nation's course are bashers.

NGC - No,I don't assume that honest citizens who want meaningful change in our nation's course are bashers but I have always questioned and will always question the source of their information before they take on our motives as a nation earnestly. Saying things like - This is for oil-is an extremely simplistic way of looking at things.Isn't it? Democracy gives us many rights but it doesn't mean that we start using our freedom of speech and expression to deride our own brethren of every decision they make and every action they take. Abolition of Slavery was a meaningful change for me. I hope you agree.

now when you say you support the "war on terrorism," what exactly does that mean?

Scientist - For all practical purposes War on Terrorism can be defined as a war against people who kill,rape,maim,destroy,force others for religion,politics,race,property or any such agenda. I hope this is of some use. Let me know

your americana rhetoric is beautiful

runetang - Thanks. But my comments are not mere rhetoric.They are the true patriotic feelings of a true American expressed in words.

AryanWatch - Sorry about the high-jack. I was shocked to see my name thrown around like this. Your chosen board name concerns me though. I wonder if you might explain why you selected it? It might make it easier to read between the lines on your initial post? Its easier to debate or agree when I understand what possition you are coming from. AryanWatch sets off alarm bells for me? Does it mean what it implies?

Blaine - Thanks for extremely relevant questions you have asked Here are the answers - I have selected this board name because I truely believe that Aryans are a totally discredited race hated by the world bacause of the actions of one or some individual.I see a very strong parallel in the Islamic world. So do, rest suffer. I have always been interested in where Aryans are headed as a race. Aryan+Watch is my way of expressing the fact that I'am into research of the Aryan race and it does not imply my being 'for' or 'against' them in any way.

Redseal, you are missing and important fact, Bush is not America bush is an elected official that his job is to work for the people of America.

Marg6043 - Wow,this is a wonderful point you made. This is like hiting the nail on the head. It pretty much sums up why I started this thread.
When you get confused between a political agenda of a political party and start assuming it as the nation,you are in for nasty surprises.

I'am totally apolitical(read my profilepage) whether it's Bush or someone else, the fact is - It is an elected government. And what they do or how they are perceived in our country is our combined responsibility. Bashing them in public forums and use hate tactics for political reasons won't help much.

Originally posted by AryanWatch

now when you say you support the "war on terrorism," what exactly does that mean?

Scientist - For all practical purposes War on Terrorism can be defined as a war against people who kill,rape,maim,destroy,force others for religion,politics,race,property or any such agenda. I hope this is of some use. Let me know

not directing this as a flame or anything,but we have done those things mentioned in your definition. I wont even go into things done to other countries,like the most of the south american countries. I'll name a few we've done here.

Valerie plane- CIA operative in charge of stopping nuclear proliferation. Ousted because her husband had some things to say about the circumstances of us going to iraq.

Tuskegee experiment-

For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,”1 their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

More thorough list - Secret US Bio Experiments

1990 More than 1500 six-month old black and hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

Do not get me wrong,i am gratefull for the nation i live in.I would have joined the marines already if it wasnt for family history of heart problems. I may be able to get around that though,not as serious as it seemed. But i'll be the first to acknowledge when my country is at fault. Sadly, we are when it comes to a lot of things.The only way to fix something is to recognize that something is wrong.

[edit on 5/24/07 by spanishcaravan]

I think its insulting that you would even compare the current government to the likes of people like Thomas Jefferson or any of the founding fathers of this great nation. I fully support the WOT when it is not being abused or applied wrongly to people who were not part of the war of terror.


I agree fully that we should be in Afghanistan, which was where we should have been concentrating on from day one instead of wasting finances, manpower, and military hardware on a lie. I also believe that Israel is part of the problem and should be dealt with just like Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the rest of them, however you cannot just go after a select few and leave out the others and expect the rest to comply. Its got to be all or none.


I also believe there are many who are attempting to make this situation into a 2nd holy crusade because of their religious beliefs. I find nothing patriotic about that nor do I find anything patriotic about supporting that cause.

Well you know, if you love your country, and support the War on Terror, why are you writing on ATS? Why arent you in Iraq or Afghanistan fighting your so-called enemy? Why dont you go over there, and let the thousands and thousands of soldiers who have seen what this war really is, and wanna come home...let them come home to their families. You go over and replace the ones who dont wanna be there, if you support it. I mean its just that simple.

If you still hold on the the little image that America is the land of the free, home of the brave, take a look around you, and see what America is today. See what it has become.

The government does not represent the people, in fact the peoples interest are put LAST, anyone can see that now I would hope, I mean even the media does.

We have our leaders secretly making pacts with Europe to push us into the North American Union, and here at home they are making partnerships with Mexico and Canada for the NU, but are hiding it under the name the SPP. Even Lou Dobbs of CNN reports on this.

CNN Lou Dobbs on North American Union

North American Union Already Starting to Replace USA


So yea, your government is off destroying America as you know it, you wont even be America anymore if all goes as planned, you will be living in the North American Union. This fact alone, should have you scratching your head wondering what the hell am I thinking still clinging to the old line that governments are there to help and keep America safe. They have effectively destroyed America. Turned them into a bunch of dumbed down, overweight, entertainment fed, self centered, jibbering, ignorants...who believe they are free and support their tyrannical government who walks all over them and other countries. Its a shame. Have they stolen your eyes too?

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[edit on 24-5-2007 by LightWorker13]

Well you know, if you love your country, and support the War on Terror, why are you writing on ATS? Why arent you in Iraq or Afghanistan fighting your so-called enemy?

LightWorker13 - I'am writing on ATS because:

1. ATS has a wide reach ( See ATS Stats)

2. I choose to do so.

I'am not in Iraq or Afghanistan because:

1. You don't need to be in the battlefield perpetually to fight your enemies. You can do that differently if you apply some brains.

2. I feel any war has a huge psychological tactic going behind enemy line and this needs to be fought by the aggressor both at home and in the enemy territory. I'am doing the former one.

3. I know I can serve my country better by being here and doing what I do rather than being on the battlefield.

I hope these points answer your questions to some extent.

I fully support the WOT when it is not being abused or applied wrongly to people who were not part of the war of terror.

ThePieMan - I fully agree with you. Even I have same thoughts. But there is a slight problem you see - The terrorists don't come out proclaiming that they are one. They use every imaginable tactic to conceal their identity.Most of the times they don't come out in the open battlefield to fight our soldiers.Most of the time they usse family homes as their hideouts.They use schools as training camps. They use human shields to protect their sorry a**. And when this happens,we have to work around it.

I think its insulting that you would even compare the current government to the likes of people like Thomas Jefferson or any of the founding fathers of this great nation.

Where have I made this comparison? This comment of yours is very generic. Nobody is saying Bushfire has the charisma and vision of Thomas Jefferson. But we should not mix our political feelings and start generalizing it for the entire nation.

im fine with hunting down binladen but what im not ok with is when the US drag us into a war and now wont pull out even though where done in iraq.

britishnproud - You gotta be kiddin me...right? Your country is not a kiddo to be cajoled and let into something as big as War On Terrorism. No? Wat is your definition of 'being done in Iraq' ? So you mean your country in Iraq was just because we 'pulled' you in? Unbelievable.You sure don't want your guys at top to hear that there are people there whothink like this

Turned them into a bunch of dumbed down, overweight, entertainment fed, self centered, jibbering, ignorants...who believe they are free and support their tyrannical government who walks all over them and other countries. Its a shame. Have they stolen your eyes too?

LightWorker13 - Whom are you describing by using all those beautiful words? This reply of yours is soooo provoking that I cannot describe in wordsBut you know what...?This only talks about how low you can get to put your point across. Jibbering?