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What Hijackers? Show me please.

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posted on May, 28 2007 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by esdad71
So you admit that there are no hijackers that are alive? Is that correct. You cannot play both sides of the fence and not get called.


You are getting less and less credible with your replies. It actually makes me feel like I'm making ground, so for that I thank you.


Is that your answer for everything I posted? "You cannot play both sides?" What are you talking about? That makes as little sense as your faith in the official story.

I didn't say they were dead. I said they didn't die in the Plane crash and provided proof from abroad and proof from our FBI. So what are you talking about>

You still want me to find them and bring them to the democratic convention? That is childish considering, like I said before, NO ONE WOULD care (except you) because everyone else heard the FBI's flimsy excuse whenever the reports started coming out about them actually being alive.

I think you have lost my friend. But thanks for your time.


AAC



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by esdad71
So you admit that there are no hijackers that are alive? Is that correct. You cannot play both sides of the fence and not get called.

Esad maybe you are right, they are not alive because they don't exist?

and they never did?



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by esdad71
Lastly, like I said before, if there was even a shred of evidence that any of these men were truly alive, they would be on FoxNews or CNN.


Huh... no...

Do you honestly think that the news media channels who are owned by the corporations would broadcast something that would indicate an inside job?

Wow... never gonna happen.

Heck... they don't even show to people that they have found a possible cancer cure in Canada because the pharmacy companies don't want people to know about it...

I think pigs will fly before the corporate propaganda news channels reveals anything that is remotely true.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 04:23 PM
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AAC, read what I said again. I said THIS part of the conspiracy. Meaning the whole there were no hijackers conspiracy, as this is what this thread is about.....
Take your time buddy




Originally posted by selfless
Huh... no...

Do you honestly think that the news media channels who are owned by the corporations would broadcast something that would indicate an inside job?

Wow... never gonna happen.

Heck... they don't even show to people that they have found a possible cancer cure in Canada because the pharmacy companies don't want people to know about it...

I think pigs will fly before the corporate propaganda news channels reveals anything that is remotely true.

So, which corporation would not want the hijackers to be known?
This just seems more like a random anti-corporation rant and not a real reason why the hijackers wouldn't be on the news.
Also, these hijackers haven't been on any secondary or alternative or international news media outlets too. Who's fault is that? And you better believe the world media would use every chance they have to crucify the U.S. gov.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
AAC, read what I said again. I said THIS part of the conspiracy. Meaning the whole there were no hijackers conspiracy, as this is what this thread is about.....
Take your time buddy





Thank you for clarifying what the thread I created is about.


This thread is highlighting the fact that the official story changed when CREDIBLE reports came out about some of the highjackers being alive. Now we are trying to understand how they had the list so early when there was a possibility that they may have stolen identities.

This leaves them just pointing their finger at who they wanted to be a highjacker on that plane. Get it? Take your time buddy.


AAC



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 05:31 PM
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One more question. With a lot of seats being empty and all the things that were going on in the plane and people being out of their seats, how did the flight attendents know what seats the hijackers were sitting at when they called and gave the seat numbers that were empty as being where the hijackers were sitting ?



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Thank you for clarifying what the thread I created is about.


This thread is highlighting the fact that the official story changed when CREDIBLE reports came out about some of the highjackers being alive. Now we are trying to understand how they had the list so early when there was a possibility that they may have stolen identities.

This leaves them just pointing their finger at who they wanted to be a highjacker on that plane. Get it? Take your time buddy.


AAC

lol
Your previous post had 1 paragraph dedicated to the hijackers and that was just a quote from prison planet, the rest of it was talking about 9/11 in general. That's NOT what I was talking about in my post before then, I was only referring to the hijacker conspiracy...



You seem to be avoiding the points of interest.

Such as?


Speaking of "avoiding"
Just went through the thread again and it seems the questions I asked weren't answered. No surprise.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
lol
Your previous post had 1 paragraph dedicated to the hijackers and that was just a quote from prison planet, the rest of it was talking about 9/11 in general. That's NOT what I was talking about in my post before then, I was only referring to the hijacker conspiracy...


I see you did not say anything about my post.

www.trackingthethreat.com...



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 06:39 PM
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The media is not controlled by the government. everyday mainstream media show how bad the polling is. How much the administration has screwed up. This information about hte so called non terrorists was available in time for the 04 Democratic convention to.

for clarification, they do not exist because they are dead. This is the same as the demo WTC arguement. Show us hijackers or proof of explosives and all arguements would go away. The post says show the hijackers, show track them down if they are alive.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Since AAC's questions have been properly answered.


I disagree.



1. Were all the passengers on the planes in on it too when they called reporting what they saw? Were the air traffic controllers in on it too when they reported what they heard?


If you have noticed from all the evidence I have provided... 1). FBI said they couldn't have prevented 9/11. Then it was found out that they had an informant living with the Hijackers. *FACT* 2). Israeli Massad Agents were discovered spying on the terrorist as they lived in CA and then they followed them to Florida. *FACT* 3). 5 dancing Israelis were caught vidotaping the callapse in NJ and they were high-fiving, FEDS found boxcutters, Passports, And large portions of Cash. They told Feds that Palestinians were their problem not them. *FACT* 4). Security handles sent the hijackers through after tripping the alarms. *FACT* 5) On atleast one of the flights the terrorist speak of having a bomb and going back to the airport for their demands.

I have never subscribed that on all 4 planes there were no hijackers. If you want my true belief, I think that only three planes were used that day, with no explanation with what the evil-doers did to the actual passengers on the pentagon flight. I think on the other flights secret intel allowed them to board, and I think that the most arabs never knew they would be dying that day (considering some bought tickets back to Saudi Arabia a few days after 9/11 *FACT*)

So I am just trying to form what I believed really happened. You don't have enough information to prove your points against the ones I have raised. You are just reiterating points of reference from the official story. THATS' EASY TO DO BTW.


5. Has anyone here flown before 9/11? Do you remember how...bad security was?


Wasn't that bad bud. And do you ever wonder why cameras were never installed into planes considering they have been in school buses since the mid 90s? I don't think you want to believe anything else.

BTW, I don't want my country to be sinister, Ia m just not blind enough to see their immature deception. The future will prove one of us right.


AAC



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by esdad71
for clarification, they do not exist because they are dead. This is the same as the demo WTC arguement. Show us hijackers or proof of explosives and all arguements would go away. The post says show the hijackers, show track them down if they are alive.


I have showed a site that states a hijacker is alive. Now where is your evidence that they are all dead ?



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by esdad71
The post says show the hijackers, show track them down if they are alive.


I truly hope that you are a teenager. Your arguements transcend the previous dialougue. It's almost clever how you avoid points of interest. You seemed to be acting like you won't entertain anything outside the official story.

The FEDS don't even know who the hijackers were and you're giving me this? So funny. How about you go question a FBI agent about the updated names of terrorists.

I'll be waiting for the response. Why should you? Because I've already proven that they were alive after 9/11 on credible sites (BBC). If they are mysteriously dead now is to no concern of mine, because their surfacing after 9/11 was enough to get the feds backpeddling. Can you now see this actuality? because this is the 5th time I've mentioned it?

Just asking.

AAC



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 08:37 PM
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AAC, why did you quote me?
Absolutely nothing you wrote addressed any of my questions....

btw, only one of your facts are actually credible facts (unless you can provide proof of the others) and that's:

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Security handles sent the hijackers through after tripping the alarms. *FACT*

But it's really an irrelevant fact as this happens thousands of times a day.



You don't have enough information to prove your points against the ones I have raised. You are just reiterating points of reference from the official story.

What?

I asked a few questions....
The "official story" (whatever that is) has nothing to do with anything.
And what points have you raised? You show me these points (credible points with proper citations) and hey, I have absolutely no problem doing research (something you guys need to learn to do
) and provide info on those points.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 08:41 PM
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Everything is alright, the government is your friend................... Not.






posted on May, 28 2007 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
I see you did not say anything about my post.

www.trackingthethreat.com...

I'm not sure what you want me to say....

Websites make mistakes like that, especially when they're poorly run and not frequently updated. In that link go to the bottom and click on either the google or yahoo searches for info on him. Even the conspiracy sites have him listed as dead....



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
AAC, why did you quote me?
Absolutely nothing you wrote addressed any of my questions....


Firstly you asked questions that were irrelevant to my views. Like you were assuming what I believed and trying to discredit portions of other peoples beliefs by asking question that you think I believe as well.

This is why I usually stay out of 9/11 debates. People like you keep reiterating the evidence that disways because that is what evidence that was put out in the official stories. Let me ask you this, why do you think the 50+ high-ranking government officials (that I posted above) are questioning the official story? Are they crazy too? Would you debate them too, even though they have access to more of the information?

Riddle me that?



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Even the conspiracy sites have him listed as dead....


You'll find that is pretty standard out there in cyber world. I find links to credible sources, and the page is no longer available. I just toss that in the 'suspect' file and move on.


AAC



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
Security handles sent the hijackers through after tripping the alarms. *FACT*


God, do you know how many times a day we did this when I was a screener? We probably had 100+ a day PER CHECKPOINT. A person setting off a WTMD or an ETD is NOT a reason to bar them from travel, PROVIDED they don't make some smartass remark about having a bomb, or a gun, or something, and that there is no threat found. We had several people a month that DID get stopped from flying for making a comment about a weapon, which may I add, can get you jail time and a HUGE fine if you do that at the airport.

Knives and box cutters were legal articles to carry on the plane, as long as the knife blade was 4" or shorter. Pepper spray wasn't, but you have no idea how hard it is to find pepper spray, especially in a cluttered bag. We found most pepper spray by accident.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 09:14 PM
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I am not a teenager and you are bordering on being a jerk off AAC. Seems that is someone doesn ot agree with your POV then you get slightly defensive. I am repeating the same thing becuase you have backpedaled. How can you not care about it in one case and care about it in another.

It is YOUR job to prove that they are alive, since that is what the thread is about. Until then, I will continue to reiterate the fact that they were reported by numerous news agencies that are as credible as the BBC (gotta laugh at that one too since they are scared to do anything to piss of hte Muslim popualtion in England)


link

This is a list of the hijackers

and this is how the FBI worked to solve who they were after the initial report.



To illustrate how these anti-money laundering provisions aid our efforts, it is necessary to understand how the FBI has been re-structured to address terrorist financing matters. Identifying and tracking the financial structure supporting terrorist groups is critical to dismantling the organization and preventing future attacks. As in ordinary criminal investigations, "following the money" identifies, links, and develops evidence against those involved in criminal activity . In the early stages of the investigation into the events of September 11, it was financial evidence that quickly established links between the hijackers and identified co-conspirators.

It was also in the early stages of the 9/11 investigation that the FBI and DOJ identified a critical need for a more comprehensive, centralized approach to terrorist financial matters. In response, we established an interagency Terrorism Financial Review Group (TFRG) operating out of FBI Headquarters. By bringing together vast databases and the expertise of numerous federal agencies, the TFRG focuses a powerful array of resources on the financial tentacles of terrorist organizations.

After September 11th, the FBI and CIA quickly combined their resources to investigate terrorist funding mechanisms, including the exchange of personnel between the TFRG and the CIA Counterterrorism Center (CTC). In addition, at my request, the CIA generously agreed to detail a number of its analysts to the FBI Counterterrorism Division to help develop more effective analytical processes. I firmly believe the relationship and information sharing with the CIA is at an unparalleled level and will continue to pay dividends in our common mission. Information sharing has also been facilitated by PATRIOT Act provisions that permit the FBI to disclose foreign intelligence information, including information obtained through FISA, to intelligence agencies.

The TFRG was formed with a two-fold mission. First, it was designed to conduct a comprehensive financial analysis of the 19 hijackers to link them together and to identify their financial support structure within the United States and abroad. Second, it was designed as a template for preventive and predictive terrorist financial investigations. The mission of the TFRG has since evolved into a broader effort to identify, investigate, prosecute, disrupt, and dismantle all terrorist-related financial and fund-raising activities.

The TFRG has taken a leadership role in coordinating the financial investigative effort, and it is a comprehensive one. To accomplish this mission, it has implemented initiatives to address all aspects of terrorist financing. For instance, it:

conducts full financial analyses of terrorist suspects and their global financial support structures;
coordinates liaison and outreach efforts to exploit financial resources of private, government and foreign entities;
uses FBI and Legat expertise and relationships to develop financial information from foreign law enforcement and private agencies;
works jointly with the law enforcement, regulatory, and intelligence communities;
develops predictive models and mines data to proactively identify terrorist suspects, and;
provides the financial component to classified counterterrorism investigations in support of the FBI's counterterrorism responsibilities.
The TFRG has conducted an aggressive international outreach program to share information regarding terrorist financing methods with the financial community and law enforcement, and has built upon long-established relationships with the financial services community in the United States and abroad. The international outreach initiative is coordinated through the network of FBI Legal Attache Offices located in 44 key cities worldwide, providing coverage for more than 200 countries and territories.

A significant focus of the TFRG is prediction and prevention. It has developed numerous data mining projects to provide further predictive abilities and maximize the use of both public and private database information. These efforts are complemented by the centralized terrorist financial database which the TFRG developed. This information is used to identify terrorist cells operating in the United States and abroad to prevent further terrorist acts. Indeed, the TFRG meets regularly with representatives from the banking community and the financial services industry to share information and to refine methods to detect and identify potential terrorists around the world.

The TFRG created and updates a financial control list which contains names and identifying data for individuals under investigation for potential links to terrorist organizations. These lists are regularly shared with domestic and international law enforcement and intelligence agencies, and with the Federal Reserve Board (FRB), which disseminates the lists to financial institutions so they can flag suspicious financial activity.

As a participant on the National Security Council's Policy Coordinating Committee (PCC) on terrorist finance, the TFRG leads the effort to target Non-Governmental Organizations believed to provide financial support to known Foreign Terrorist Organizations and affiliated terrorist cells. The PCC coordinates the development and implementation of policies to combat terrorist financing and provides analysis on these issues. Numerous FBI Field Offices have open investigations into organizations that may be funneling money to Foreign Terrorist Organizations and the TFRG has acted as a clearinghouse for these cases, gathering and summarizing data.

The TFRG regularly shares information with the Joint Terrorist Tracking Task Forces, Customs' Operation Green Quest (TFRG provides daily downloads from its RAID database to Green Quest), and FinCEN. Further, the TFRG is working with FinCEN to explore new ways to data mine the Suspicious Activity Report (SAR), Currency Transaction Report (CTR), and Currency and Monetary Instrument Report (CMIR) databases.

Based on its international investigative abilities, and its close association with the Intelligence Community, the TFRG is in a unique position to coordinate anti-terrorism financial investigations and to ensure those investigations are coordinated with the goals and objectives of our Counterterrorism program.




This is not a game. This is for real. Live in the denial that terrorists are boogeymen created by the government and one day as you go to work you will die like those poor workers on 9/11 who did nothing more than wake up and go to work.

and this is some more on how they linked them

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Now, I know you won;t read it, but you should. It jsut might open your eyes past prisonplanet and the rhetoric it spews.



posted on May, 28 2007 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by esdad71
I am not a teenager and you are bordering on being a jerk off AAC.


I'll be sure not to cross any line sir.
I always saw where you were coming from, it's just you don't seem to be objective enough to see where I'm coming from.

Per your link:


As this Committee is well aware, the FBI, along with other federal law enforcement agencies, investigates and prosecutes individuals who use false identities, or the identities of others, to carry out violations of federal criminal law. These violations include bank fraud, credit card fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, bankruptcy fraud, computer crimes, and fugitive cases. When these crimes are carried out using a false or stolen identity, investigation of the offenses becomes much more complicated.


If it was more complicated, how did they do it so soon, and why haven't they changed any of the names on the original list. And you say BBC ins't credible. Of course you would say that.


Seems that is someone doesn ot agree with your POV then you get slightly defensive.

Defensive no. Impatient perhaps. I am tired of trying to get someone to see the possibility of nefarious actions, yet you refuse to entertain the possibilty that there was prior knowledge of the attacks, even with all the circumstancial evidence that points against the OS. If you said, yeah some of things look fishy, I'd be like, I know, but how can we ever find the truth? Dude there is a camera every 50 feet on top of the pentagon, if they released one of those that show a plane I would shut up.



I am repeating the same thing becuase you have backpedaled.


No I have not. I have continuously asked the same few questions that you and a few others refuse to address. You try to get me to address points that make no difference to me and then you say I'm not answering your questions.


It is YOUR job to prove that they are alive, since that is what the thread is about.


I have. FBI Director has ackwoledged. You just don't like the source, or the reality, one or the other.


(gotta laugh at that one too since they are scared to do anything to piss of hte Muslim popualtion in England)


I see your true colors, that's why I love them, so don't be afraid... to let them shine, I see your true colors... *sing along*



This is a list of the hijackers

and this is how the FBI worked to solve who they were after the initial report.



After September 11th, the FBI and CIA quickly combined their resources to investigate terrorist funding mechanisms, including the exchange of personnel between the TFRG and the CIA Counterterrorism Center (CTC). In addition, at my request, the CIA generously agreed to detail a number of its analysts to the FBI Counterterrorism Division to help develop more effective analytical processes. I firmly believe the relationship and information sharing with the CIA is at an unparalleled level and will continue to pay dividends in our common mission. Information sharing has also been facilitated by PATRIOT Act provisions that permit the FBI to disclose foreign intelligence information, including information obtained through FISA, to intelligence agencies.


Notice the After September 11th part.

This is not a game. This is for real.
You mean this isn't CALL OF DUTY III?



Live in the denial that terrorists are boogeymen created by the government and one day as you go to work you will die like those poor workers on 9/11 who did nothing more than wake up and go to work.


I am at a loss for words.
Did you just say that? In all honesty, do you live in a Black & white reality?



Now, I know you won;t read it, but you should. It jsut might open your eyes past prisonplanet and the rhetoric it spews.


Eyes open. I'm waiting for yours to crack open.


AAC

[edit on 28-5-2007 by AnAbsoluteCreation]




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