What Hijackers? Show me please.

Originally posted by deltaboy

The CNN is not the official passenger list.

Neither is a photocopy produced by the "FBI". they do not mention the "victims" list until later... hint: read the cached links.

Wow great link...

Lets go to later on afterwards...

In the article that you posted it mentions he blames on Jews and Americans Secret Service...

www.cbc.ca...

Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said now that U.S. retaliatory attacks have begun, they are lifting all restrictions on Osama bin Laden and he is free to wage a holy war against the United States.
Taliban spokesman Abdul Hai Mutmaen made the announcement on Wednesday. Earlier in the day, bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network said that by striking Afghanistan, the U.S. has opened up a new door of animosity that will never be closed.

Spokesperson Suleiman Abu-Ghaith delivered the message on Qatar-based Al Jazeera television Tuesday.

He addressed the "entire Islamic nation", claiming U.S. President George W. Bush and his allies have banded together against the nations of Islam.

He issued a chilling warning to the U.S., saying there would be no peace until it stops supporting Israel and ends blockades against Iraq.

"The youths who did what they did and destroyed America, they have done a good deed," he said. "The storm of airplanes will not stop. There are thousands of young people who look forward to death like the Americans look forward to living."

www.islamonline.net...

DOHA, September 10 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) – Two days before the anniversary of the September attacks and at a time the U.S. is using its war on terror to launch an attack against Iraq, Qatar’s Al-Jazeera satellite channel on Monday, September 9, aired video-clips in which it says Osama bin Laden claimed responsibility for the 9/11 attacks on the United States.

Al-Jazeera also broadcast footage of militants which it said were among those Al-Qaeda members who carried out the 9/11 attacks. The video showed them pouring over flying manuals and aerial maps of the Pentagon, one of the group’s targets along with New York’s World Trade Center, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported.

Describing the attacks as “the New York and Washington raids,” Bin Laden praised “the men who changed the course of history and cleansed the (Arab-Islamic) nation from the filth of treacherous rulers and their subordinates.”

Apart from Atta, Bin Laden named Lebanese Ziyad al-Jarrah, Marwan al-Shehhi from the United Arab Emirates, “who destroyed the second tower” of the World Trade Center, and Hani Hanjour (from the Saudi city of Taef) “who destroyed the Pentagon.”

Al-Jazeera showed photographs of Hamza al-Ghamdi (alias Julailib al-Ghamdi), Saeed al-Ghamdi (alias Mutaz al-Ghamdi), Wael al-Shehri (alias Abu Suleiman) and Ahmad Naami (Abu Hisham), whose names, like those cited by Bin Laden, figure on the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) list of hijackers.

Al-Jazeera said it had obtained the videotape which was “recently” recorded by Al-Qaeda to mark the first anniversary of the attacks. It said it would air the full video on Tuesday, September 10 at 2105 hrs Qatar time .

But the Doha-based channel did not shed light on the whereabouts of Bin Laden, whose fate has been the subject of intense speculation for months, AFP said.

Al-Jazeera also aired footage of one of the hijackers saying in his “will” that he was trained by Laden.

“May God reward all those who trained me and made possible this glorious act, notably the fighter and mujahid (Islamic warrior) Osama bin Laden, God protect him,” said Saudi kamikaze Abdul Aziz al-Omari.

Al-Omari, who according to the FBI was one of five hijackers who slammed an American Airlines Boeing 767 into the north tower of the World Trade Center, was shown wearing a grey robe with his shoulder-length hair turbaned in a keffiyeh (chequered headdress).

The September 11 attacks were “a message to all infidels and to America to leave the Arabian peninsula and stop supporting the cowardly Jews in Palestine,” he said.

“Let it be known that we can bring you and other enemies down,” Al-Omari said, addressing the United States.

It was the first time Bin Laden directly claimed responsibility for the attacks, Al-Jazeera claimed.

However, a spokesman for Al-Qaeda also claimed the strikes in a videotape aired by Saudi-owned MBC television on April 17.

[“We were able to hit the head of the infidels on his own turf,” Suleiman Abu Ghaith said in that tape.

“God ordered us to terrorize the infidels, and we terrorized the infidels.”

english.aljazeera.net...

No one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

So I shall talk to you about the story behind those events and shall tell you truthfully about the moments in which the decision was taken, for you to consider.

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.

In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

The response in the early days, he prefer not to admit, as he has during the embassy bombings in 98, only he says that it was Muslims who did it. Now...well you know the rest.

As I have said, have you been watching the news LATELY?

english.aljazeera.net...

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
ashmok,

I do understand where you're coming from. I am wondering why the airlines would keep the arabs off all of the four planes flight lists, until later a flight manifest conveinantly showed up in the Mousinnai (sp?) Trial.

We can read what United Airlines said in a Press Release just after the attacks:

With deep sadness, United Airlines now is confirming a partial list of the names of passengers and a full list of crew members onboard UA Flights 93 and 175. Both aircraft were confirmed to have crashed in yesterday's unprecedented acts of terrorism. At the request of the victims' families, a number of names have been withheld from release. Out of respect for the families and in line with sentiments expressed to the airline by the families, United yesterday decided not to release this partial list until this morning....

NOTE: The list of our passengers' and crew members' names has been updated with additional information on September 13, 14, 15, 17 and 18, in accordance with the requests of the families.
www.united.com...

What they're doing here is releasing names when they have the permission of the families, I think. US families would be easy to reach, and they'd get permission quickly; but the "suspected hijackers" relatives would be much more difficult to trace, so they wouldn't show up for quite some time.

And as you can see, they were still getting permission from families until the 18th of September at least. The FBI released names of their suspects on the 14th, so by then the airlines would know who the hijackers may have been.

The end result would be they wouldn't be named early, as there was no permission from the families. And they wouldn't been named in later victims lists like the CNN ones, either, because that would be insulting to the other families (and in fact CNN said they left the hijackers out).

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
We can go down this road if you want, but I honestly don't think you're being serious. If you are being serious, again, we can go down that road or you can look at the dozens of threads on this site alone with the evidence you're ignoring.

Sure we do.
They got on the planes. Some of them had to go through extra security to do so, though. The planes were hijacked but quess who?? The hijackers! And we watched as the planes crashed into buildings. No one on the planes could have possibly survived so.....logic states that if you've died then you're dead.
Do you have any evidence they somehow survived?

1. Yes lets go down that road since their are no official reports or physical evidence to show that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

2. Please show me the airport security video of the hijackers getting on the planes.

If they did get on the planes, how were hijackers that were flagged at the airport and set off security scanners still aloud to get on the planes?

[edit on 30-5-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Please bare with me and please read what I point out. Thanks.

In the mid-seventies America faced a new and escalating crisis, with US commercial jets being hijacked for geopolitical purposes. Determined to gain the upper hand in this new form of aerial warfare, two American multinationals collaborated with the Defense Advanced Projects Agency (DARPA) on a project designed to facilitate the remote recovery of hijacked American aircraft. Brilliant both in concept and operation, “Home Run” [not its real code name] allowed specialist ground controllers to listen in to cockpit conversations on the target aircraft, then take absolute control of its computerized flight control system by remote means.

Continued-

When the multinationals and DARPA finally came on the scene in the mid-seventies, aircraft systems were even more advanced, with computers controlling onboard autopilots, which in turn were capable of controlling all of the onboard hydraulics. In combination these multiple different functions were now known as the “Flight Control System” or FCS, in turn integrated with sophisticated avionics capable of automatically landing the aircraft in zero visibility conditions. In summary, by the mid-seventies most of the large jets were capable of effectively navigating hundreds of miles and then making automatic landings at a selected airport in zero-zero fog conditions.

And as follows...

Under cover of extreme secrecy, the multinationals and DARPA went ahead on this basis and built “back doors” into the new computer designs. There were two very obvious hard requirements at this stage, the first a primary control channel for use in taking over the flight control system and flying the aircraft back to an airfield of choice, and secondly a covert audio channel for monitoring flight deck conversations. Once the primary channel was activated, all aircraft functions came under direct ground control, permanently removing the hijackers and pilots from the control loop.

Once it has located the correct aircraft, Home Run “piggy backs” a data transmission onto the transponder channel and takes direct control from the ground.

Many readers might by now be indignant; convinced this is incorrect or misleading information because of “those telephone calls from the hijacked aircraft”. Which telephone calls exactly? There are no records of any such calls, and the emotional claptrap the media fed you in the aftermath of the attack was in all cases third-person. We had the media’s invisible “contact” at an airline who “said” a hostess called to report a hijacking, and we had a priest (?) who “said” he received a call from a man asking him in turn to call his wife and tell her he loved her.

Presumably this man would have had his wife’s name filed in his cellphone, and faced with imminent death would have called her direct. The FAA helped out by claiming that it had “overheard” a heated argument from a cockpit where the radio transmit switch had been left in the “on” position. When push came to shove, the FAA was forced to retract, and admit that the mythical argument was not on the tapes at all.

This is very interesting as well.

"This means that the tightest security that the typical American ever confronts is airport security. This is the model for all other security systems governing the general public. Let's go through the check-in routine together. Pretend that it's September 11, and you are a check-in agent at either a United Airlines counter or an American Airlines counter. It is your job to ask the standard questions. "Did you pack your own luggage? Have you had it in your possession at all times?" Then you ask for a photo ID. The name on the ID must match the name on the
ticket. The photo must match the person presenting the card." .. And, you guessed it, the name on the ID must match that on the passenger manifest held by the airline ground staff!
It seems highly likely that these revealing passenger manifests will magically disappear when the American Government realizes the dangers of allowing the public access to such incriminating documents. For that reason I have listed the full manifests on a separate page. To visit that page and copy the lists.

Before you discredit a German intelligence, remember that an American could be more easily pursuaded to keep his mouth shut. So here goes...

20 January 2002

Former German Minister Von Buelow Already Knew About Remote Control

In his interview with the German daily "Tagesspiegel" on January 13th, former German Secretary of Defence Andreas Von Buelow made the following statement:-
"There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: According to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots' hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says, this technique was abused in this case..."
Not quite so much a theory as might first appear. When I released the above report about "Home Run" remote control in October 2001, I mentioned that one European flag carrier was aware of the technology, though at that precise point in time I thought it prudent not to name the actual airline:-
"As long ago as the early nineties, a major European flag carrier acquired the information and was seriously alarmed that one of its own aircraft might be "rescued" by the Americans without its authority. Accordingly, this flag carrier completely stripped the American flight control computers out of its entire fleet, and replaced them with a home grown version. These aircraft are now effectively impregnable to penetration by Home Run, but that is more than can be said for the American aircraft fleet..."

Not only is this fishy, but everyone who believes this was premeditated all agree that it was YEARS in the making. Remember the twenty dollar bill that was done in 1998 with the twin towers AND pentagin crashes on it? That is clever reflection material if I never saw it. Someone wise once said, "There is never a true coincidence."

And while I'm at it, I will reask, why were there no cameras on planes when they were on my schoolbus fifteen years ago? All these things just add to the already growing suspicion. I expect that you guys can rebut anything that comes out, because the plan was well thought out, but when will you start asking yourselves, why do I keep having to find answers for these anomolies?

Could we possibly take the hijackers for their words, and imagine that they thought they were only willing to hijack the plane and take it backto the airport for their demands in the name of Jihad? Remember, FBI agents roomed with some of the hijackers. Remeber the 5 dancing israelis. Remember the strange wall street trades. remember Bush, Cheney, Rumsfields fraudian slips that week. Could it be possible that we made Radicals believe they were hijacking a plane, only to take it over and turn them into martyrs? Think about it.

link
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Peck away...

AAC

[edit on 30-5-2007 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

[edit on 30-5-2007 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

The British put a system in a Tornado fighter that is capable of taking remote control of a hijacked aircraft.

Didn't Operation Northwoods indicate 'remote controlled craft' as well? The following is from Northwoods and speaks of a 'drone'

Operation Northwoods

An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and
numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered
aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the
Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be
subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be
loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under
carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered
aircraft would be converted to a drone.

[edit on 30-5-2007 by talisman]

Originally posted by talisman
Didn't Operation Northwoods indicate 'remote controlled craft' as well? The following is from Northwoods and speaks of a 'drone'

Operation Northwoods

An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and
numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered
aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the
Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be
subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be
loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under
carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered
aircraft would be converted to a drone.

[edit on 30-5-2007 by talisman]

The truth is there for people to see, they just have been programmed not to see it. It baffles me how people refuse to entertain the obvious.

I don't want America to fall. I love our country and I love what it (used to) stand for. Guess what! So did everyone else in the world. America was a place for dreams. it still is, but now we are looked at because of the arrogance of our un-elected ruler.

Thanks for adding the info though.

AAC

um they might have figured out the hijackers were arabs because of CIA agents gathering intel from sources, or from alqueda taking credit and telling how they did it, or maybe the names didnt show up because the hijackers we known terrorists so it would be stupid to use their real names so they used fake 1's, also 9/11 victims called home on their cells and described the terrorists to family members.

those are ways to have known the terrosrists were arabs

Originally posted by edude1992
um they might have figured out the hijackers were arabs because of CIA agents gathering intel from sources, or from alqueda taking credit and telling how they did it

What other sorces are you refering to? you say sources but you do not specify them, regarding alcaida the names were provided on tv before they got in touch with them on your notion of the "magical hot phone line"betwen the us and alcaida.
Names were provided in 24 hours after the 911 incident before any video tapes with binladen were availible.

, or maybe the names didnt show up because the hijackers we known terrorists so it would be stupid to use their real names so they used fake 1's

Then how do you know who are the terrorists?

, also 9/11 victims called home on their cells and described the terrorists to family members.

That happened on one single plane, plus no recording of names,birth dates, and pictures of the terrorists were provided from the phone calls made from that flight.
Are you sustaining that passangers on that flight made polaroid snap shots and then throwed them out of the plane? where did they get the pictures? and remember..it was only on one flight that pasangers made phone calls.

those are ways to have known the terrosrists were arabs

Yahhh puzzle solved.


[edit on 31-5-2007 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by talisman
Didn't Operation Northwoods indicate 'remote controlled craft' as well? The following is from Northwoods and speaks of a 'drone'

And Operation Bojinka (which 9/11 was likely a spin off of or a part of) called for planes to be hijacked and crashed into buildings.


Do you know why we know about Northwoods?
For the same reason why it was never carried out.
It would be impossible to keep something like that under wraps. The logistics of carrying out something like that wouldn't allow it.
lol, do people honestly think something like that would be declassified if the government had plans to actually do it?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
1. Yes lets go down that road since their are no official reports or physical evidence to show that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

What do you mean no official reports???
That doesn't even make sense...

Physical evidence? You mean the plane parts, the bodies of people on the flight found in the Pentagon, the numourous eyewitnesses above, below, and on the plane, etc.?

2. Please show me the airport security video of the hijackers getting on the planes.

The videos haven't been release to my knowledge, but we have plenty of stills from those videos. Do you have any evidence they just decided to get off the plane and not go through with it?

If they did get on the planes, how were hijackers that were flagged at the airport and set off security scanners still aloud to get on the planes?

None of them were "flagged" some of them just set off the metal detectors. Something that happens 1000s of times a day. If the secuirty didn't find anything then there was no reason to not allow them on the planes.

It's all about proof. Evidence exists that 19 arab men got on these planes, hijacked them and flew them into buildings in NY and Washington and into the ground in PA. People on the ground saw it, physical evidence supports it. My wife, a forensic DNA specialist for a state crime lab, worked on a contract to help in ID-ing some of the remains, which did in fact match up to people on the pax lists.

Now, some people would like to think that all of this evidence is a lie. Well, I say to them, prove it. Those of you in that boat have brought forth a bunch of randomly assembled pseudo factoids and have pronounced it evidence. It's not, what you have is assumptions based on false premises, screened through misinterpretations. None of it amounts to even a scintilla of solid proof!

People who believe any different have been watching too many Oliver Stone movies!

F-Dog


Quote: Yeah. There are several of those. These men do exist, but on the planes they were not. Their names and likeness are stolen identities. What we are seeing here are "double agents" born, trained, and possibly still living in the United States.

I love how Atta is conveniently framed in there too.

[edit on 23/5/07 by SteveR]

You mean like the security video showing the plane hit the building. I've seen it. I've also personally talked with people who were inside the building at the time of the attack who saw the plane parts, smelled the Jet-A fuel and personally witnessed the damage.

For those who say they couldn't get on the plane without the metal detector going off. If you will recall, prior to 9/11 small knives and cutting instruments were allowed onto planes. I typically carried a small Benchmade auto-opener (switch blade) with me and had no trouble getting on planes with it. Beyond that, the metal detectors could often be unreliable. In 1991 I was sent to our local international airport to pick up a witness who was flying in for a trial. I approached the security checkpoint and having showed them my badge and LE identification, was flagged through the metal detector. Although I was carrying a S&W 5906 stainless steel 9mm handgun, the metal deteector didn't go off. The security supervisor, knowing that I was armed became very alarmed and had a repair crew enroute by the time I got back from the gate with my witness.

F-Dog

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
1. Yes lets go down that road since their are no official reports or physical evidence to show that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

What do you mean no official reports???

That doesn't even make sense...

Physical evidence? You mean the plane parts, the bodies of people on the flight found in the Pentagon, the numourous eyewitnesses above, below, and on the plane, etc.?

2. Please show me the airport security video of the hijackers getting on the planes.

The videos haven't been release to my knowledge, but we have plenty of stills from those videos. Do you have any evidence they just decided to get off the plane and not go through with it?

If they did get on the planes, how were hijackers that were flagged at the airport and set off security scanners still aloud to get on the planes?

None of them were "flagged" some of them just set off the metal detectors. Something that happens 1000s of times a day. If the secuirty didn't find anything then there was no reason to not allow them on the planes.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
These are just a few points against the official story.

1. No FBI and NTSB crime scene reports.

Response: In fact, the FBI, DOD, NTSB and local police and fire agencies all filed official reports of the incident.

2. No vidoes or photos showing Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon.

Response: The video is all over the Internet and was all over the media. Security camera footage showing the plane plow into the building.

3. No reports matching the parts found to Flight 77.

Response: Again, NTSB reports show many parts that were tied to Flight 77.

4. No report of where the parts found were taken.

Response: What, just because you haven't seen them.

5. No report of what casued the 2 seperate debris fields caused by Flight 93.

Response: Huh???? Where do you get this stuff?

6. No steel building has ever collapsed due to fire.

Response: Simply and utterly false. It has happened many times and documentation of that fact is available in several credible sources. Try researching the San Fransisco earthquake of 1906 for information on a number of steel frame buildings that burned and collapsed (not due to the earthquake, but due to the fire).

[edit on 1-6-2007 by Flyingdog5000]

F-dog, as much as I appreciate your contributions to the thread, it isn't all that benificial to just answers the posed anomolies with the same old lame answers that got people questioning it in the first place.

ie. "No plane hit the pentagon." "Yes there was video all over the media of a plane plowing into the Pentagon."

Are you serious? Do you think you answered that question suitably? On this thread their is an aerial photo of the pentagon, pre-911 where they have security cameras every 50 feet on the roof. 80 tapes in all were confiscated by FBI. Yet they release one video that poses more questions than it answers.

But again, I do appreciate your time and contribution.

AAC

lol, do people honestly think something like that would be declassified if the government had plans to actually do it?

2 words, pearl harbor.

We had the media’s invisible “contact” at an airline who “said” a hostess called to report a hijacking, and we had a priest (?) who “said” he received a call from a man asking him in turn to call his wife and tell her he loved her.

Presumably this man would have had his wife’s name filed in his cellphone, and faced with imminent death would have called her direct. The FAA helped out by claiming that it had “overheard” a heated argument from a cockpit where the radio transmit switch had been left in the “on” position. When push came to shove, the FAA was forced to retract, and admit that the mythical argument was not on the tapes at all.

i was watching a show on UFO's (i know wrong thread hear me out) that showed an incident involving 2 planes, an anomaly, and a young lady from NORAD. the specifics of the incident are unimportant, the outcome is what i am concerned with. the lady on the tapes (black box tapes from the civy plane) identified the anomoly on her radar, chatted with the pilots, deployed pilots to check it out, and was in general a good sport about the whole thing. it made it to the papers and NORADS official word was 'no incident occured'.

my point of course being that what really happens and what gets said to the public afterwards by the government dont always jive.

[edit on 1-6-2007 by jprophet420]

What you term as lame is just simply the truth, but hey, you don't have to believe me. How about checking out this site that has interviews with the people who actually saw it happen: www.whatreallyhappened.com...

As far as what got people questioning it in the first place, how about some geek, with too many zits and a blow up doll for a girlfriend, getting cute on his computer one night. Follow that with a couple thousand wingnuts who will believe literally anything that someone posts on the WorldWeirdWeb and you have a certified conspiracy theory. Oliver Stone would be proud!

F-Dog

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
F-dog, as much as I appreciate your contributions to the thread, it isn't all that benificial to just answers the posed anomolies with the same old lame answers that got people questioning it in the first place.

ie. "No plane hit the pentagon." "Yes there was video all over the media of a plane plowing into the Pentagon."

Are you serious? Do you think you answered that question suitably? On this thread their is an aerial photo of the pentagon, pre-911 where they have security cameras every 50 feet on the roof. 80 tapes in all were confiscated by FBI. Yet they release one video that poses more questions than it answers.

But again, I do appreciate your time and contribution.

AAC

Originally posted by Flyingdog5000
It's all about proof. Evidence exists that 19 arab men got on these planes

Arab people are passangers on the planes just like the others, being arab does not make the suspects.

hijacked them and flew them into buildings in NY and Washington and into the ground in PA.

Remeber this.
No tapes of binladen were abailible on that date, no autopsy was done yet, the crash sites were not even secured yet, al tho all of this things were not done they came up with names, birth dates, and pictures of suspects before anything was investigated, so I ask from where did they get them?
Can you answer this?

My wife, a forensic DNA specialist for a state crime lab, worked on a contract to help in ID-ing some of the remains, which did in fact match up to people on the pax lists.

It seems you don;t understand, the list with the names that were considered suspects was provided on CNN live before any DNA tests were done, they were presented on CNN after only 24 hours after the 911 incident took place, at that time people were just begining to clean up and gather stuff from the crash site.

Now, some people would like to think that all of this evidence is a lie.

What evidence?

Well, I say to them, prove it.

I just did.

Quote: Yeah. There are several of those. These men do exist, but on the planes they were not. Their names and likeness are stolen identities.

I want you to answer how did they mistake their identities?
Can you answer that?
If you can then I rest my case.
You ment to say" they just picked up some inocent people that would add up to the story"
I'm waiting for you to explain to me how did they mistake their idetities.

What we are seeing here are "double agents" born, trained, and possibly still living in the United States.

Yea, I work for the KGBnow where is my paycheck.


[edit on 1-6-2007 by pepsi78]