What Hijackers? Show me please.

Like I said before show me the proof. How about the airport videos of the hijackers. Where are those at?

Originally posted by esdad71
Also, the hijackers were also in possession of fake ID's that were used as to not to be tracked in the US. This may add to the confusion of the flight manifest and who was on the plane.

They either had fake id's and no one will ever be able to tell all their identities, or the FBI knew all of their names meerley hours after the terror acts. And considering they STILL use the 19 hijackers names when writing or speaking about the terror act, that only adds to the confusion.

It cannot be both. Please explain to me which one the truth is to all of the believers. Thanks.

To me it may seem as there is one key figure (mohammad atta) that everyone is generalizing the terrorist to. Atta's role doesn't solodify the rest of the story, just because authorities mysteriously recover his passport a few blocks away with chrred edges. Oh, btw, the entire cemented structure has been pulverized to dust, yet the one ring leaders passport was recovered.

AAC

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Originally posted by SteveR
I guess if you don't think, anything is possible.

So charred skin. Does this magically imply, with the leap of your imagination, that the ENTIRE physical volume of the body was a pure lump of charcoal and ash?

No, which is exactly my point. Let me try again.

The post I was responding to said that we couldn't expect to find DNA traces from a 3,500 degree C fire when DNA is destroyed at 100 degrees C.

I think that's a deceptive point because a) the Pentagon fire wasn't that hot, and b) for no DNA to be recoverable from a body, it needs to be basically cremated (at the WTC they were down to working on charred bones occasionally, for instance). And anyone who's going to say DNA couldn't be recovered needs to do more to prove that than simply quote a temperature to which DNA molecules have been exposed in the lab.

Originally posted by Paul3
I've seen no proof that there was any hijackers.

Where's the proof? What hijackers? Show me please.

Did you look through this thread?
Did you actually take the time to do your own research or are you relying on what some 9/11 conspiracy website is telling you?
You haven't seen any proof because you don't want to see. There isn't any question there were hijackers, the question is who were they?
If you need any more proof there were hijackers than what's already provided (even on 9/11 conspiracy sites) then it's obvious you've come to your conclusion already and are just looking for people to agree with you...


Edit: I should add, don't worry though, you're not alone. It seems the majority (if it's not the majority then it's mighty close) of these so called "truthers" have already come to a conclusion and are just looking for people to agree with their version of the "truth."

[edit on 27-5-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Edit: I should add, don't worry though, you're not alone. It seems the majority (if it's not the majority then it's mighty close) of these so called "truthers" have already come to a conclusion and are just looking for people to agree with their version of the "truth."

[edit on 27-5-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]

You should've left that edit out considering it reveals your inability to understand that there are just as many people on 'that side' that believes without question as well.

You yourself admit that there was doubt of the hijackers identities, yet if you take that one steo further you would find another paradox. Here is my position, when will the believers stop finding the "planned" rebuttles of all the paradoxes and start asking, "WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PARADOXES?"

You know?

AAC

Which videos do you want? Portland? Logan? the ATM? The martyr video? Go check YouTube. How about the log that showed that some of the terrorists were selected for additional screening? The man who checked them in at Portland.

Although many discredit it, I suggest going online and reading the pdf for the 9/11 commision report. I bought the book and it is quite interesting. Even if you do not believe it all, you learn the history and the back story of the hijackers themselves.

Lastly, like I said before, if there was even a shred of evidence that any of these men were truly alive, they would be on FoxNews or CNN. As much as people say they are State Run media, it is ratings that wins out over anything.

Maybe a large part of the Truth is denial. Maybe they have not moved on like the New Yorkers who lived through it.

Originally posted by esdad71
Even if you do not believe it all, you learn the history and the back story of the hijackers themselves.

Do you not see something fundamentally wrong with this statement?

In case you don't, if someone doesn't believe the story, then why would they believe the asserted history bhind the story they don't believe? This should be a red flag to you that you may not see as objectively as you may think.

Lastly, like I said before, if there was even a shred of evidence that any of these men were truly alive,

Shred of Evidence

BTW, It is widely known that at least 5 of the terrorist are alive. The FBI knew of this the next day and changed their story to, "They may have used stolen identities."

Which if true, brings up all the other questions. Are you smelling the roses yet?

Over 50 senior military, intelligence, and government officials are now on record questioning 9/11. Read media statements from members of congress, a former director of the FBI, a former chief economist of President George W. Bush, an assistant secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, the former head of advanced space programs for the Department of Defense under Reagan, a British cabinet minister under Prime Minister Tony Blair, and more. In reports on respected websites, each of these prominent leaders now claims that there are serious problems with the official government story of 9/11.

Press this Link and meet our allies.

Let me know what you think.


AAC

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[edit on 27-5-2007 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

A page about a Flight 77 hijacker still alive. Updated in 2004.

www.trackingthethreat.com...

[edit on 27-5-2007 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
A page about a Flight 77 hijacker still alive. Updated in 2004.

www.trackingthethreat.com...

[edit on 27-5-2007 by ULTIMA1]

These sources are hard to find for obvious reasons, even though the authorities don't doubt that some hijackers could've stolen identities. So fishy.

Good find.

AAC

if it is WIDELY known, why are they not in the US right now stating that this is a coverup or a black op? I'l tell you, because they are dead.

Conjecture and opinions make nothing but circumstantial, non proven theories. If you can find one of these guys, I would personally pay to fly them to the Capitol building and camp out till I could show the world they are still alive. Call your local CNN affiliate and tell them you know where the hijackers are.

Bottom line is though that is cannot be done, because they are dead. I mean, the other part is that you are not stating that ALL of the hijackers are still alive, but a few. What is your view of Mohammed Atta then? Is he real or a CIA creation? Please expand to let me know how you can prove that these terrorists were fictional or still alive.

Originally posted by esdad71
if it is WIDELY known, why are they not in the US right now stating that this is a coverup or a black op? I'l tell you, because they are dead.

I see conjecture but no proof of them being dead. No DNA, no coroner reports.

Originally posted by esdad71
if it is WIDELY known, why are they not in the US right now stating that this is a coverup or a black op? I'l tell you, because they are dead.

What are you talking about? They couldn't come here and prove that it was a coverup because they were alive. Their identities were stolen, that is all they are claiming. There you go, generalizing again.

Conjecture and opinions make nothing but circumstantial, non proven theories.

Your point?

If you can find one of these guys,

We just found two.

I would personally pay to fly them to the Capitol building and camp out till I could show the world they are still alive.

What for? The world already knows they are, you're just waking up late. :O

Call your local CNN affiliate and tell them you know where the hijackers are.

My friend, it doesn't matter. They have already accepted that some of the hijackers may have stolen fake identities. If they show them on CNN, what would that do besides finally get YOU to believe it.

[quote[Bottom line is though that is cannot be done, because they are dead.

Let's make this harder, you prove ^this^ to me.

I mean, the other part is that you are not stating that ALL of the hijackers are still alive, but a few.

Searching for your point... can't find it.

What is your view of Mohammed Atta then?

You mean the guy who's passport was found a few blocks from the WTCs with only charred edges? Was that a trick question?

Please expand to let me know how you can prove that these terrorists were fictional or still alive.

I didn't say fictional, you did. But I like it.

I don't have to prove it. I posted a link to a BBC (British Broadcasting Corp) site a few post back. That is equal to CNN, FOX, CNBC, etc.

You are fading, can you feel it?

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
You yourself admit that there was doubt of the hijackers identities, yet if you take that one steo further you would find another paradox.

No, I said that was the question. Not that I personally doubt the identities...
Quite frankly I honestly don't get how this part of the whole 9/11 conspiracy came to be. It's like some people want/wanted so bad for the government to be behind the attacks that they come up with something silly like this. This is just as bad as the hologram line of thinking.

Or maybe this is this is part of what people are talking about when they say the gov. is planting conspiracies to distract. I don't think or at least I hope people aren't being serious with this "conspiracy".

Here is my position, when will the believers stop finding the "planned" rebuttles of all the paradoxes and start asking, "WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PARADOXES?"

Ok I give....
What paradoxes?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
No, I said that was the question. Not that I personally doubt the identities...

Well i am still trying to fiigure out how the hijackers that were flagged at the airport and set off security scanners were still aloud to board the planes.

the world knows nothing, and you are back peddling. Why not bring them here for the Democratic convention in 08? If these men exist, bring them to the US, if not concede that they were on the planes.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Quite frankly I honestly don't get how this part of the whole 9/11 conspiracy came to be.

Do you even read the replies? Well could you read these?

Sept. 16 issue — At first, FBI director Bob Mueller insisted there was nothing the bureau could have done to penetrate the 9-11 plot. That account has been modified over time—and now may change again. NEWSWEEK has learned that one of the bureau’s informants had a close relationship with two of the hijackers: he was their roommate.

www.prisonplanet.com...
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It's like some people want/wanted so bad for the government to be behind the attacks that they come up with something silly like this.

Did you even read the list of 50 high ranking goverment officials that I posted above that also are questioning the official story? You seem to be avoiding the points of interest. I wonder why?

This is just as bad as the hologram line of thinking.

Whatever that means.

Or maybe this is this is part of what people are talking about when they say the gov. is planting conspiracies to distract. I don't think or at least I hope people aren't being serious with this "conspiracy".

Perhaps it is you that works for the government.

Ok I give....
What paradoxes?

Um...

1) Buildings falling a freefall speed
2) WTC Lease owner silverstein signs lease weeks prior to attacks profitted Billions
3) Famously said, "Pull it." about wtc 7
4) Many sources saying they heard multiple explosions
5) 5 Dancing Iraelies
6) Bush saying he saw the first plane hit when it hadn't yet been aired
7) Rumsfield saying that "they shot down the plane in Penn."
8) Cheney being asked before the plane hit pentagon by aide, "The plane is 30 miles out, is the plan still a go?" Cheney fires back "Of course."
9) (This entire thread)
10) Strange Wallstreet trading indicating prior knowledge
11) Norad was awol
12) Pentagon videos were all confiscated and when they released one it was the worst footage that proved nothing.
13) Massad agents followed Hijackers from Cali to Florida yet never warned USA?

You know I am getting tired and would rather leave this Beautiful request for other ats members to add. Let's see how long the list can actually get. GREAT IDEA

OMG, I just had a scary thought! What is the US government made it a crime to deny 9/11 was a terrorist act, just as it is in many European countries to deny the hollacoust.

Damn I can see this as a reality. So scary.

AAC

Originally posted by esdad71
the world knows nothing, and you are back peddling. Why not bring them here for the Democratic convention in 08? If these men exist, bring them to the US, if not concede that they were on the planes.

Dude! Those men don't prove anything. For the last time the FBI have conceded that some hijackers DID STEAL IDENTITIES. Therefore it would be a moot point to bring them anywhere. All the evil doers would have to say is, "yeah, we said that they sole identities, what's your point?"

So, dude, what is your point?

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
We just found two (refering to hijackers)

Say what? Two? where? In that old-ass BBC report from September of 2001? Are you purposly being dense? I walked you through this Alshehri thing just a couple of days ago..what gives?

Ok, on to what you call Paradox-- I call fallacy.

Um...

1) Buildings falling a freefall speed

False, none of the WTC buildings fell at "freefall speed"

2) WTC Lease owner silverstein signs lease weeks prior to attacks profitted Billions

False, Silverstein lost his assets on 9/11 the insurance companies are not going to allow for Silverstein to make huge profits off of the complex..It just isn't how the insurance industry works. When it is all said and done Silverstein will have lost more money than he would have if there had not been a claim filed.

3) Famously said, "Pull it." about wtc 7

Misrepresentation. FDNY did not demolish WTC 7 the quote was "THEY decided to pull it" meaning the FDNY captain stopped the firefighting efforts and "Pulled" the operation. In the context of Demolition jargon the term "Pull-it" refers to a building being pulled down by cables via cranes.

4) Many sources saying they heard multiple explosions

Misrepresentation, it takes a leap of faith to equate the "explosions" to "bombs" or " demolition devices" Yeah there were explosions. Why wouldn't there be? You just had two big-ass jumbo jets explode into buildings causing all kinds of stuff to be burning , falling, ect. I would be shocked if nothing did explode after an event like that.

5) 5 Dancing Iraelies

False, there were not 5 there were 3 seen by a single witness. They were not dancing. They were reportedly smiling in front of their camera. They were kids. They were held for questioning for 71 days and had to take 7 polygraphs each, then they were deported due to having expired visas.

6) Bush saying he saw the first plane hit when it hadn't yet been aired

Please, that sounds like something my ex-wife would say just to be picky: We all saw "Where" the first plane had hit that morning... I was watching it burn, thinking wow some pilot really messed up bad....then I watched "LIVE" as the second plane hit...My partner and I looked at each other and I said: "that wasn't an accident!" -- It was that very instant when America (including the president) knew -- it wasn't an accident, we were being attacked.

7) Rumsfield saying that "they shot down the plane in Penn."

Misrepresentation, he corrected his mistake immediatly.

8) Cheney being asked before the plane hit pentagon by aide, "The plane is 30 miles out, is the plan still a go?" Cheney fires back "Of course."

9) (This entire thread)
10) Strange Wallstreet trading indicating prior knowledge
11) Norad was awol
12) Pentagon videos were all confiscated and when they released one it was the worst footage that proved nothing.
13) Massad agents followed Hijackers from Cali to Florida yet never warned USA?

You know I am getting tired and would rather leave this Beautiful request for other ats members to add. Let's see how long the list can actually get. GREAT IDEA

OMG, I just had a scary thought! What is the US government made it a crime to deny 9/11 was a terrorist act, just as it is in many European countries to deny the hollacoust.

Damn I can see this as a reality. So scary.

AAC

Originally posted by AnAbsoluteCreation
5) 5 Dancing Iraelies.

Gotta love Dancing Israelies.

They are their own smoking gun. They just don't give a sh-t if they're winning. That's all that matters.

So you admit that there are no hijackers that are alive? Is that correct. You cannot play both sides of the fence and not get called.