What Hijackers? Show me please.

What GwionX and Deltaboy are constantly ignoring are these implications.


#1. If the DNA can't be identified from the hijackers(due to the family's not cooperating), then how did they know it was really them since the passports could have been forged?

That is number #1, but there is more....

How exactly did they know these were indeed the hijackers so fast? Did they have a film of them hijacking the plane? Was it just guilt by association? Was it just because they were Arab's?

What was the *PROOF* that they hijacked the plane? They must have come up with the *PROOF* very quickly. Its one thing to say "They were on the manifest" to which I say---So what! I wanna see what it was at that time they used to know that these guys actually hijacked the plane.

Originally posted by SteveR
Not sure if this one has been covered yet ...

www.sierratimes.com...

Again someone has ignored my response on this.

This link shows the autopsy list of the passengers that were IDENTIFIED! There are no Arab names because NONE of the hijackers' families have volunteered to help identify the remains of the unknown. The problem with this list is the failure to identify all the remains like for example of DANA FALKENBERG.

For a little girl's name not to be on the list would be suspicious would it not? Along with the hijackers Muslim names? Again this autopsy list is not an official passenger manifest!



Not to mention by the CNN passenger list which I would point out is not the official passenger list.

www.cnn.com...

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Yet you see the official passenger list provided by the airlines that shows that DANA FALKENBERG was a passenger along with her family. Period!! Thats why there are discrepancies in these reports and why people try to lay suspicion on a conspiracy.



And you would also see the full picture of the manifest where some of the names are Muslims.

Since AAC's questions have been properly answered, I have a ton of questions as well, but will only ask a couple

for now

1. Were all the passengers on the planes in on it too when they called reporting what they saw? Were the air traffic controllers in on it too when they reported what they heard?

2. If there were no hijackers then....what happened? The pilots did it?
So that would mean the pilots, the crew and staff, the air traffic controllers, and the passengers were all in on it. And no leaks??? Not possible. Flight 77 was the one with the inner city elementary school kids on it right? How much were their families paid to send their little kids to die for no reason?

3. Looking through the phone book I see that a couple dozen people have the same name as me. Also, millions of people in this country alone are victims of identity theft each year. Is it not possible that the people reported to be still alive were victims or simply unfortunate to have the same name? Do some of these thefts go back all the way to the mid '90s?
who am I?

Abdulaziz Alomari, a name used by one of the suspected hijackers on American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center.

A man with the same name is an electrical engineer in Saudi Arabia. He lived in Denver, where he got his degree from the University of Colorado, from 1993 until last year.

"In 1995, his apartment was broken into in Denver and his passport and other official documents were stolen," Allagany said.

4. I have yet to see legit source saying the hijackers were not on the flight manifests, mainly because they were (they were purposely left off of victims lists). So, since this is a widely held belief, surley there's a legit source. I would like to see that please. Or is everyone getting their info from 9/11 conspiracy sites (which *shocker* isn't always the best source for verifiable information)?

5. Has anyone here flown before 9/11? Do you remember how...bad security was?

Originally posted by deltaboy

Originally posted by SteveR
Not sure if this one has been covered yet ...

www.sierratimes.com...

Again someone has ignored my response on this.

Also...
How exactly was that document faxed in 1992 (according to the time stamp at the bottom)??

must have been a Y2K glitch

Talisman, you aren't looking for proof; you and the entire 9/11 cult as a singular entity are never going to believe anything that doesn't fit your own personal agenda. There is no secret. You are not an insider on the cusp of breaking the levees of some terrifying conspiracy. How do we know they were on the planes to high-jack them? You know what? You're right. Fourteen members of Al-Qaeda were probably making balloon animals for the innocent children that died that day; hell, they may have even went as far as to dress up like clowns and squirt each other with seltzer water.

I find it hilarious when people that ascribe to the official story are referred to as sheep. "Truthers" are given page after page of evidence. They are given credit for pointing out coincidences and oddities that happened around that day. The problem is that 99.9% of you refuse to believe the evidence simply for the sake of refusing to believe.

The flight manifest for AA 11 that was published by CNN can be seen at www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html. The manifests for the other flights can be located by simply changing that part of the URL. The manifest for UA 93, for example, is at www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua93.victims.html .
www.mindfully.org...

There’s an obvious clue here in the URL, which tells us it’s a “victims” list. Is it really surprising that the suspected hijackers wouldn’t be included? And in fact if you look on the site you’ll find CNN specifically say those names have been left out.

911myths.com

You are not on to something special. We were kicked in the crotch because we refused to identify and eradicate our most violent opponent. There is no conspiracy. Wake up.

[edit on 24-5-2007 by PartChimp]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

A man with the same name is an electrical engineer in Saudi Arabia. He lived in Denver, where he got his degree from the University of Colorado, from 1993 until last year.

"In 1995, his apartment was broken into in Denver and his passport and other official documents were stolen," Allagany said.

Again, this is a mistaken identity, which is not surprise since many names are similar, however the hijacker's pic shows a different man than the guy that claims his passport stolen.

The suspect


Suspect again, same guy


The innocent person that claims his passport stolen, different guy.


They both look different don't you think?

PartChimp

Talisman, you aren't looking for proof; you and the entire 9/11 cult as a singular entity are never going to believe anything that doesn't fit your own personal agenda.

Okaaay... how about answering the question?

How do we know they were on the planes to high-jack them? You know what? You're right. Fourteen members of Al-Qaeda were probably making balloon animals for the innocent children that died that day; hell, they may have even went as far as to dress up like clowns and squirt each other with seltzer water.

What proof did they have these were the hijackers so quickly? Are you now saying the Intelligence community knew each and every one of these people before hand?

Did they have a tape of them hijacking the planes? How exactly were they identified? DNA? Well according to deltaboy they didn't have a match with any family. So did they use the flight manifest? Okay, then how exactly did they know the real ID's were used? But really the question comes back to, what exactly was their *PROOF* so early on that these guys were the hijackers?

Was the *PROOF* a film of them hijacking the planes?


[edit on 24-5-2007 by talisman]

So you need a video of the terrorists ripping open the necks of flight attendants and pilots with box cutters and taking control of the planes that to believe they were responsible for the high-jacking? Did you forget about the grisly calls made from 93? Oh, right, those were faked too, because, well duh, everyone knows that you can't make cell-phone calls from a plane, right?

Take a look.

Do you see any potential terrorists here? I don't.


Or maybe it was the four militant islamists that were present.


Sorry. I refuse to be "politically correct" about such a black and white event.

PartChimp

That doesn't answer the question. The 9/11 calls certainly don't 'name' the people involved, furthermore I am talking about linking these individuals so quickly to the event. You should be able to understand people's trouble in believing certain things the gov/media has been saying, like the recovered passport in the ruins of the towers, the passport supposedly from one of the hijackers, right after the events!

Again, how did they know that these weren't faked ID's or passports? If you don't have DNA, and your not sure the identities aren't faked, then exactly how are you sure about anything?

It is interesting though, one day they are suicidal hijackers ready to kill themselves and on other day they are at a strip club getting lap dances....

So, just so i can try to understand your question; you are proposing that the video evidence of the terrorists boarding the plane is video in fact showing doubles? The point of my last post is this; look at the pictures of all the passengers. Tell me; who do you think the terrorists were?

[edit on 24-5-2007 by PartChimp]

Originally posted by deltaboy
Again, this is a mistaken identity, which is not surprise since many names are similar, however the hijacker's pic shows a different man than the guy that claims his passport stolen.

The suspect

Suspect again, same guy

The innocent person that claims his passport stolen, different guy.

They both look different don't you think?

Ok, I'm not getting what you're saying....
Yes, they look different....that's because they ARE different.
The innocent person didn't steal his own passport so of course whoever stole it will look differnt than him, lol

I'm missing something....

Of course, you people will never ever touch real smoking gun evidence of an inside job an ensuing coverup. You wont even touch smoking gun evidence to disprove your official story.

Please explain to me, how 7 hijackers and passports, which were found they say, and thats how they got the identities of all the hijackers, cell phone calls didnt give them the identities. The passports did.

How can passports survive? How can 7 hijackers be still alive? Maybe they got the wrong guy, well how can we believe anything they say then? They were caught in a lie, they said they had fake passports, when a year before they said they found real passports. LIES, can you not see that.

Why would they lie about the passports? Why would they lie about the hijackers? Well, to cover up their own involvment, its not rocket science. They are giving a false lie of a story to the people to swallow. Thats how it is, you cant get around that, all the proof every last strand of it points to this, if only you checked it out.

What about Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC complex..live on PBS saying we pulled the building WTC7, we pulled it. Took it down with demolition. The footage of the collapse...shows it was a demolition. The owner said they demolished it. What the hell is your major malfuction!!

Larry Silverstein on PBS

How can you say Rosie is nuts for saying WTC was brought down by demolition, what about Larry Silverstein?? He made 3 billion dollars of the insurance he had from the Twin towers and WTC7. He milked it, he got even more money by saying each tower was a seperate attack, he milked it!

God, I can go on and on and on, do I need to? Cuz I will, if itll wake you people up, if itll make you see the Light, Ill do it, we need it, the people need it.


[edit on 24-5-2007 by LightWorker13]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Ok, I'm not getting what you're saying....
Yes, they look different....that's because they ARE different.
The innocent person didn't steal his own passport so of course whoever stole it will look differnt than him, lol

I'm missing something....

They are different because of mistaken identity. We have two people with similar names. You have the innocent guy with the dead hijacker's name, where news organizations interview a person who claims his innocence and is alive. The alive person don't look like the dead hijacker. Get it?

Dubai - A Saudi man named by the FBI as one of 19 hijackers in Tuesday's suicide bombings in the United States said in an interview published on Monday that his passport was stolen in Colorado in 1995.

"The name (reported by the FBI) is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Centre in New York," Abdulaziz Alomari told the London-based Asharq al-Awsat newspaper.

The pan-Arab newspaper, which published a picture of Alomari on its website, said the US-educated engineer had reported to police in Denver, Colorado, that he lost his passport when his apartment was robbed in 1995.

Alomari, born on December 24, 1972, was interviewed in the Saudi capital, Riyadh. It quoted him as saying that he left the United States in April 2000 and that he was at his Riyadh office at the time of the bombings of the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

The FBI on Friday named 19 suspected hijackers, including seven pilots, believed to have commandeered the four commercial airliners used in Tuesday's terror attacks.

The name Abdulaziz Alomari appeared on the FBI's list of five hijackers thought to have been aboard one of the two planes that slammed into the World Trade Centre's twin towers. - Reuters

In any conspiracy with govt. involvement, why use somebody who is a hijacker that is still alive and gives interviews?

This guy does not look like the dead hijacker.

Hijacker


Innocent person who is giving interview and where people saying the "hijacker is alive and well."


Two names the same.

Look at this...
www.welfarestate.com...

And go to this about those alive ones...that they considered.

www.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml

The FBI had published his personal details but with a photograph of somebody else, presumably a hijacker who had "stolen" his identity. CNN, however, showed a picture of the real Mr Al-Ghamdi.

He said that CNN had probably got the picture from the Flight Safety flying school he attended in Florida. CNN has since broadcast a clarification saying that the photograph may not be that of the accused.

Mr Al-Omari, who was accused of hijacking the American Airlines plane that smashed into the the World Trade Centre's north tower, said that he was at his desk at the Saudi telecommunications authority in Riyadh when the attacks took place.

Now that sounds like a big mistake there eh? FBI publish personal details but of somebody else with a different pic, CNN instead publish a pic of somebody else that is not of the FBI picture.

jesus christ...are you people for real???

everyday i come on here and read these ridiculous threads of all these conspiracy theories without a shred of proof. Don't you all understand the state of the world presently? Have you even done searches online for what goes on in these countries you all are so willing to side with (axis nations)...go to www.filecabi.net and do a search for torture/war/middle east and see for yourselves how the people are treated UNDER LAW. These things you'll witness in these videos are appalling disgusting abuses of people civil liberties and rights, if you really think the USA is 'on par' with that type of evil...you're BUGGIN. The assholes were on those planes and did fly them into the WTC et al, in fact i saw it first hand unfold in nyc on that sunny morning. Why you would defend such cowardly acts is beyond me, and then have the nerve to call the US out the way you all do in all these threads...this is the BEST #ing country with the BEST system of government worldwide. Oh and one more thing, as people tend to be so goddamn mercurial, i do remember a nation up in arms (as one mind you) shortly after those attacks, i remember a nation wanting justice and retribution for these cowardly acts...so when Bush did finally enact punishment on these nations, our nation cheered...then when we stayed long enough to TRY to institute some semblance of infrastructure in a place where people STILL # in the streets and commit 'honor killings' the undertow was one of negativity towards our policies. Stick to your #ing guns and support this global war on religious zealousness/terrorism anhd fight the good fight for our childrens futures, one of liberty, justice and honor. Grow the # up.

GwionX and Deltaboy, I want to thank you for your replies. I am happy to understand the evidence that causes your conviction against the ct's on this subject. But if I can see now where you're coming from, can you see where all the other people that question it are coming from?

On both sides you will have smart people that back up their questions with support, and dumb people that only reiterate what others say without comprehending the facts. So don't let the dumb people on both sides confuse the actual truth seekers.

Reading through all of the evidence, even willing to ignore all of the sloppy information output that happened from all sources that day, there are still some holes that I've not seen answered definitively.

They are:

The FBI had distributed a list naming 18 of the 19 alleged hijackers by 10 AM on 9/11. Within two weeks the identities of at least six of the hijackers were unclear; as men in Arab countries with the same names and histories, and in some cases the same photographs, were protesting that they were alive and innocent. In response to these protests, FBI Director Robert Mueller soon acknowledged that the identity of several of the suicide hijackers was in doubt. But there is no discussion of this problem in the detailed treatment of the alleged hijackers in the 9/11 Commission Report.

Besides the utter miracle of knowing the hijackers within about an hour of the accident, everything that follows when they try to bandade their mistake, makes it worse.

Patrick Fitzgerald, U.S. Attorney who negotiated a plea bargain and confession from Ali Mohamed, said this in testimony to the Commission

Ali Mohamed. …. trained most of al Qaeda’s top leadership – including Bin Laden and Zawahiri – and most of al Qaeda’s top trainers. He gave some training to persons who would later carry out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing…. From 1994 until his arrest in 1998, he lived as an American citizen in California, applying for jobs as an FBI translator.

Patrick Fitzgerald knew Ali Mohamed well. In 1994 he had named him as an unindicted co-conspirator in the New York landmarks case, yet allowed him to remain free. This was because, as Fitzgerald knew, Ali Mohamed was an FBI informant, from at least 1993 and maybe 1989. Thus, from 1994 “until his arrest in 1998, Mohamed shuttled between California, Afghanistan, Kenya, Somalia and at least a dozen other countries.” Shortly after 9/11, Larry C. Johnson, a former State Department and CIA official, faulted the FBI publicly for using Mohamed as an informant, when it should have recognized that the man was a high-ranking terrorist plotting against the United States.

And...

Besides the ticket for the flight on September 11, Atta also bought a ticket for October 13 on a Delta flight from Baltimore to San Francisco. Ahmed Alghamdi bought a plane ticket for September 11, but also bought a ticket to Saudi Arabia leaving from Dulles Airport on September 12.

Do those not sound suspect. Again, if these were the only suspect things surrounding 9/11, perhaps it could be considered paranoia, but in ever facet of that day, at every level, in every act, there are huge paradoxes surround the official story.

It is not that I'm saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to say that I'm not wrong in my perception of falsehoods.

AAC



[edit on 24-5-2007 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

[edit on 24-5-2007 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

Originally posted by blueyedevil666
jesus christ...are you people for real???

*pinches skin* ouch! Yep. I'm real.

everyday i come on here and read these ridiculous threads of all these conspiracy theories without a shred of proof.

Define "shred."

Don't you all understand the state of the world presently?

I happen to know exactly what it is. "The state of our world is the sum total of all human interaction."

Now can you understand the Math behind that statement?

Have you even done searches online for what goes on in these countries you all are so willing to side with (axis nations)...go to www.filecabi.net and do a search for torture/war/middle east and see for yourselves how the people are treated UNDER LAW.

Yes. All that is evil. But I went here and so is this

Grow the # up.

Um. Mods, does that get a warning?

You my friend need to open your eyes to something other than what you want to believe. I am just asking questions, and sometimes I'm not liking the answers.

And remember, "You have to be lost to find a place that's never been found."

AAC

[edit on 24-5-2007 by AnAbsoluteCreation]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Also...
How exactly was that document faxed in 1992 (according to the time stamp at the bottom)??

must have been a Y2K glitch

Olmstead is a 9/11 truth guy, who probably put this evidence together. I think he did some articles on no hijackers stuff. The problem was on his end, perhaps a decade off or perhaps a slightly McNiven-ish clue of fraudsterism?
Anyway, I think there's been a lot of confusion on the hijackers issue. Identities are not clear, etc. I say only this: Were there or were there not hijackers of about the number they cite, whoever exactly they really were, on the planes? Personally I can go either way.
Some thoughts

Great posts AAC. I can't vouch for all your facts but I appreciate your approach.


[edit on 24-5-2007 by Caustic Logic]

PartChimp

Yes there is film of people boarding the planes, but what is connecting these people? How does boarding a plane make you a hijacker? Unless there was prior knowledge? Do you see what I am getting at? On the one hand there is this flight manifest, possibly a few people on it that tip off the authorities. Somehow they just so happened to know a few of these customers.

But the rest of the people are then identified? So quickly? And to be sure matched and referenced to what exactly>???


[edit on 24-5-2007 by talisman]