Anyone from O.T.O. on board?

I am not much into following any religion but i am familiar with Crowley's work and i feel something special towards O.T.O., for whatever reason. If someone is from O.T.O. or have any idea why i would feel like that, let me know, thank you.

You question sounds like you are inquiring about joining the O.T.O. and that type of question is off limits in the Secret Societies forum. (Read the sticky posts)


But in any case I don't think anyone can tell you what you feel like that, that's up to you.

If you have any questions about Thelema, click the link in my sig for a BTS post of mine.

BTW I'm not a member of the O.T.O. however that is just because there is nothing local to me, odds are will will join sometime in the next few years.

No, no worries, i am just seeking something but i am not sure what is it. For joining anyone can contact local branch... I am interested in something else.

Edit: Something connected with this.

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Well when you figure out what you want to ask.. ask away

Yes, i posted link to series about Atlantis, but i my interest is in the future. I will try to figure out what exactly i want to ask.

ive always thought this video was interesting. it has quite a bit about Crowley's work and the O.T.O.

Google Video Link

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Interesting video, some info is accurate but they jump to conclusions too much and connect the dots as they see fit. Also, they blame Crowley all over. Seems to me like Christian propaganda against NWO.

Did any of the original O.T.O. members, or Aleister Crowley, write much about Atlantis?

Not much, but i am not even interested in messed up writings. I just need to find something else.

Originally posted by Tamahu
Did any of the original O.T.O. members, or Aleister Crowley, write much about Atlantis?

No. There is a general consensus among scholars that Atlantis was invented by Plato for allegorical purposes. There are no writings on the supposed lost continent that predate him, and he seems to have attempted to use it as an example of a just government, and to explasin the basic principles of socialism.

Originally posted by 64738
I am not much into following any religion but i am familiar with Crowley's work and i feel something special towards O.T.O., for whatever reason. If someone is from O.T.O. or have any idea why i would feel like that, let me know, thank you.

I am a former Associate Member of O.T.O. I say "former" because I haven't paid any dues in ten years or so, but they never sent me a dues notice, so I may still be in good standing, who knows?

Originally posted by Masonic Light
No. There is a general consensus among scholars that Atlantis was invented by Plato for allegorical purposes. There are no writings on the supposed lost continent that predate him, and he seems to have attempted to use it as an example of a just government, and to explasin the basic principles of socialism.

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From Manly P. Hall's Collected Writings: Vol III Essays and Poems:

Plato's account of Atlantis in his Critias and Timaeus is interpreted. A diagram of the Orphic Key to the Atlantic Fable is included, as well as a bibliography.

Or see also Manly P. Hall's: Atlantis : An Interpretation, Revised edition with Supplementary Notes.

I've actually read the Hall book, along with others. The concept of Atlantis was very popular among some occultists for a while, which presumably was Blavatsky's influence.

It is of course possible that Atlantis actually existed in some form or other, but the only original text concerning it is what Plato had to say in the Dialogues. Everything else is simply an author using his own imagination on the subject.

According to Plato, Atlantis was a communist utopia in the Mediterranean which had been at war with Greece, and he elaborated on the ideas of social justice first put forward in the Republic when describing its politico-economic system. Also according to Plato, the continent suffrered a natural catastrophe which buried it beneath the sea.

There doesn't appear to be a lost continent on the Mediterranean floor, and if they were as technologically advanced as Plato claimed, they should have seen the disaster coming, as well as having been able to easily conquer Greece.

Crowley, although an admirer of Blavatsky and Theosophy (he once called Blavatsky the "John the Baptist of Thelema") never mentioned Atlantis in his writings. We can only assume that he refrained from doing so due to his insistence upon "scientific illuminism", i.e., never making a claim that cannot be verified, and relying upon the scientific method in all things, including the Way.

Maybe something went terribly wrong with Atlantis and/or they were destroyed. Most logical explanation for the great flood would be asteroid hitting the Earth, maybe redirected on purpose. I am sorry for the normal people who were killed because of mad people at the top.

Some of the more illuminated back then were aware of the impending disaster and moved underground, that would explain Nazi obsession with Agartha. But as usual they got it all wrong, Blavatsky included.

There is possibility Crowley was aware of all this and this was his reason for silence. It's easy to go same way as they did, especially when all world is hungry for more spiritual. Now combine this with greed and corruption at very top and you get recipe for new Atlantis pretty fast.

Originally posted by 64738 Seems to me like Christian propaganda against NWO.

It would seem that the Christian propganda is NWO.

Peace

Originally posted by Masonic Light
It is of course possible that Atlantis actually existed in some form or other, but the only original text concerning it is what Plato had to say in the Dialogues. Everything else is simply an author using his own imagination on the subject.

Yes, Atlantis probably did exist in a some for or other.
I would think Antartica is Atlantis - if not, then there is no Atlantis, but Antartica is the closest to what Antartica represents.

Peace

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by 64738
I am not much into following any religion but i am familiar with Crowley's work and i feel something special towards O.T.O., for whatever reason. If someone is from O.T.O. or have any idea why i would feel like that, let me know, thank you.

I am a former Associate Member of O.T.O. I say "former" because I haven't paid any dues in ten years or so, but they never sent me a dues notice, so I may still be in good standing, who knows?

was was under the impression that Masons are not "allowed" (and I use that word loosely) to join OTO, since it is a clandestine group. ("ifpas ... not to join a lodge of clandestine masons, nor have masonic communication w/ [them]...")

Originally posted by scientist


was was under the impression that Masons are not "allowed" (and I use that word loosely) to join OTO, since it is a clandestine group. ("ifpas ... not to join a lodge of clandestine masons, nor have masonic communication w/ [them]...")

No, O.T.O. does not claim to be a Masonic body, nor confer Masonic degrees. It is therefore not clandestine.

Although only a small percentage of Masons are members of the O.T.O., quite a few male members of O.T.O. are Masons, including the current General Secretary of the Scottish Rite Research Society.

‘The O.T.O. (Ordo Templi Orientis) is a body of Initiates in whose hands are concentrated the secret
knowledge of all Oriental Orders and of all existing Masonic Degrees. Its Chiefs are Initiates of the
highest rank and recognized as such by all capabel (sic) of such recognition in every country in the
world. The Order is international, and has existing connections in every civilized country in the world.
Every man or woman who becomes a member of the O.T.O. has an indefeasible right to the first three
degrees of Masonry.'

‘The O.T.O., although an Academia Masonica, is not a Masonic Body, so far as the craft degrees are
concerned in the sense in which that expression is usually understood in England, and therefore in no
way conflicts with, or infringes the just privileges of, the United Grand Lodge of England. English
Master Masons in good standing, by arrangement, on affiliation, are admitted at reduced charges.
Members of the IX° become part-proprietors of the Estates and Goods of the Order. For further
information see the publications of the O.T.O., and the synopsis of the degrees of the O.T.O.’

After doing a bit of research it seems OTO as we know it, is dead. They have no keys to any real truth. Few invocation rituals is best they can do. Of course they have little idea what they really mean anyway.