Giuliani attacked Ron Paul for telling the truth about why we were attacked on 9/11

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

"They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. ... We've been in the Middle East," Paul said in explaining his opposition to going to war in Iraq. "Right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. [... ]
www.foxnews.com...

further more, the US (Imperialists & great satan in our enemies view)
had stationed troops in Saudi, Kuwait, and Arab lands....

the 9-11 attacks, whether by al-Qaeda/OBL or just a cadre of zealots
supported in their 'mission-impossible'
with financing from al-Qaeda
& moral support from OBL & the Jihadists,
Mujahadeens of the world, etc...

It Is in the public record that OBL was smug & smiling that 9-11 was successful;

Osama bin Laden rant....The terrorism we practice is of the commendable kind
for it is directed at the tyrants and the aggressors and enemies of Allah,
the tyrants, the traitors who commit acts of treason against their own countrys and their own faith and their own nation.
Terrorizing those and punishing them are necessary measures to straighten things and make them right.
Tyrants and oppressors who subject the Arab nation to aggression ought to be punished....

it is clear that OBL here is pointing out the Saudis as treasonous to Islam & Arabs...
It is clear that the US here is the Tyrant & Oppressor
& occupier in Arab holy land, continual aggression on Saddam & the Iraqi peoples since 1990 (and even before,
as the arms merchant to the Iran-Iraq, decade of death, war campaign)

Ron Paul has presented the unvarnished facts, but the spin-meisters will
not allow that sensibility to get legs....
And, so it will be that the puppet-masters
will not permit Ron Paul to get elected to office.

(a side thought, Ron Paul kinda reminds me of John Anderson who i voted for in his losing presidential run...see Marion. SC news)

[edit] obl: www.pbs.org/ also: YouTube.com/watch?v=ZY0qOS3Yc24

[edit on 16-5-2007 by St Udio]

Originally posted by Sublime620
Yea, I saw that. It makes me mad that Guiliani uses 9/11 as a pole vault for his career.

Agreed. Didn't he tell some radio host the other day that she should have been asking him questions about 9/11 and not other stuff. I never seen a guy that went from such an ace IMO after 9/11 and the way he handled himself, to a completely making me want to wretch every time I see and hear him. On top of all that it's very likely, once again IMO, that he had foreknowledge of 9/11. That makes him that much harder to stomach.

I didn't know much about this Ron Paul before the debates but I'm liking what I'm seeing.

Peace

Originally posted by yuefo
I checked the MSNBC poll after the debate. Paul had 68% positive. The next closest was Huckabee with 15%. Ron Paul wins again!

[edit on 16-5-2007 by yuefo]

As a Canadian, I am very interested in this guy becoming president.
I doubt it due to media manipulation and the Bilderburg prechoice for president...which I say is Clinton.

[edit on 16-5-2007 by junglelord]

"They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. ... We've been in the Middle East," Paul said in explaining his opposition to going to war in Iraq. "Right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting.
www.foxnews.com...

This statement by Paul makes no sense, and looks more like a softball pitch intentionally lobbed over to Guliani so he could hit it out of the park.

"They attack us because we've been over there"???

No kidding. We along with just about every country with a military was over there for Gulf War I. No sense rehashing the history. What's important is that no serious candidate who is trying to win is going to use their 15 seconds in the spotlight to blame their own country for being attacked.

This is also a very clever way to subliminally add justification FOR being at war with Iraq. The clear implication is that THEY retaliated on 9/11 for the U.S. bombing THEM. Now who are "they"? If THEY are attacking US for bombing Iraq, the implication is that Iraq, or allies of Iraq attacked the U.S. on 9/11, thus justifying the U.S. being at war with Iraq.

Ron Paul has no chance of getting the nomination. However, he was on the stage for a reason. The reason was to help position Guliani as the front runner, which he did.

@nick7261

What you said made a lot of sense. I didn't even think about it that way.

Peace

At the same time that the heroic firemen were streaming into the doomed twin towers, and those people who had evacuated them were being told to go back in by an unknown person on the PA system, Giuliani was being warned to flee because the towers were going to come down. WHO WARNED HIM?




R.

I see gulianni made millions of dollars off of 9/11
that reprehensible.

I remember when Yassar Arafat was visiting NYC and was in attendance at an opera at Lincoln Center, completely quiet and minding his own business. Giuliani went marching in with a phalanx of police officers and escorted him out for no reason other to earn browny points with his masters.





R.

[edit on 16-5-2007 by ratskywatsky]

Originally posted by FlyersFan
oh geeeeze. I switched from Guiliani to Ron Paul for 2008. Now Ron Paul pulls this crap. :shk: The republicans now have no one that I find myself wanting to support. The only dem I even halfway like is Richardson.

Gawd .... 300 million people and it comes to this.???

He's right.

We were attacked because of our actions in the middle east.

What would we do, if another country did the same things in the U.S.?

If Ron Paul wants to win the candidacy, he needs to realize the media is going to pick questions that show him in a bad light. Main stream media is not his friend. He needs to temper his statements a bit and avoid falling into their pitfalls. I would suggest he turn it around...

Does it really matter why we were attacked? Maybe they (AQ) hate us because we're rich, filthy, greedy pigs. Who really knows except AQ themselves. The fact is, they hate us for some reason and decided to kill 3,000 innocent Americans on 9/11 (that’s assuming you believe AQ was responsible for 9/11).

Now turn it around on Guliani…

Therefore the real question that needs to be asked is: What does invading Iraq have to do with the events of 9/11? If Bin Laden is the leader and mastermind of 9/11, why is he not even a priority anymore? Why aren't we going after him? Why did we need to start a war with Iraq that now costs $1/2 Billion and thousands of American and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives?

The events of 9/11 and the reasons we started the Iraq war are unrelated. So what is the purpose of this "war"?

It is impossible to run for president if it's not dictated by the agenda of the shadow government....

This Ron Paul is just an actor, if he's president it's not like he will be the one making the decisions.

They control the government therefor, they control the candidates and so they control the outcome and they control what happens after the president is elected.

This Ron Paul is no different then an illusion, giving you hope that you are in control...

The answer is to over trow the whole current government system altogether, this will happen eventually.

I find Ron Paul and His representatives just as disgusting as any of the other republican candidates.

Using tragedies as a spring board. Having Pay to Posters making WAY TO MANY RON PAUL SUPPORT THREADS ON EVERYONE FORUM IMAGINABLE.

To me, they are all equally disgusting.

Originally posted by selfless
It is impossible to run for president if it's not dictated by the agenda of the shadow government....

This Ron Paul is just an actor, if he's president it's not like he will be the one making the decisions.

I will vote for him but I agree... it will not matter much if he's President. They (senate, congress, etc) will just tie him up in red tape and the people really running the show will effect the economy, etc to make him look like even more an idiot than the one that we have now.

Ron Paul needs to fill out a campaign contribution form because his remark last night was a $1,000,000.00 donation to the Giuliani campaign. He set himself up as the bad guy and handed Giuliani the ammunition to knock him down. That was the slowest soft-pitch I've ever seen. Even Hillary and Obama on the democratic side know better than to make comments like that. It looked like more of a set-up than a serious arguement to me.

Originally posted by Cerkit Breaker
I find Ron Paul and His representatives just as disgusting as any of the other republican candidates.

Using tragedies as a spring board. Having Pay to Posters making WAY TO MANY RON PAUL SUPPORT THREADS ON EVERYONE FORUM IMAGINABLE.

To me, they are all equally disgusting.

What the h are you talking about? How is Ron Paul using a tragedy as a spring board? How is he paying posters on threads like this (let me know because I haven't seen a dime... I'm doing it all for free). Sorry I disgust you.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!

www.ronpaul2008.com...


And Mike Gravell for V.P.!

Originally posted by runetang
How about not voting for any Republican candidates?

I hate to say it, but we as U.S. citizens have a historical opportunity to change the situation in the world, change our reputation, and change our military stance. We do this by voting for the Democrat most likely to win, with an exception to Hillary Clinton as I know many are love/hate when it comes to her.

The reason is because we have a Democratic House, and a Democratic Senate. That would give us the triple threat, and all the good things that have been held off and pushed back for so long could come forth. Things like stem cell research, things like real healthcare for the people, not just those with insurance. Things like alternative energy, which is held off because profits to the oil companies is simply too important to the very core of our economy. It stinks rotten.

Do you realize if all the oil companies removed their investments into our country, that the economy would fall on itself worse than the Great Depression?

So you see, many stupid things got passed into law while Bush was President. Things like the Patriot act, people didn't like that, they said it took away freedoms and such. And things like attacking Iraq. Things like.. not raising the minimum wage at all. These things all passed into law because there were no checks and balances to stop them. It was a triple threat. So naturally, if we do the same thing with Democrats, we'd get SWEEPING reforms with the quickness no doubt..

Because the next person to actually enter the office of Presidency is going to realize just what kind of mess was left on the desk by the previous. The easier it is to remedy those problems and fix them the better, and the best way to do that is a monopoly on the government. While I know Ron Paul is a favorite here, I think it would be a mistake to vote that way because the republican vote is going to be divided alot as it is. In other words, I highly doubt he will actually get the Presidency, and is mainly raising awareness. So if we really, really, dont want Gulliani as next president, or God forbid, John Mccain (Draft anyone?), then we need to unify into a single base. In this moment of time, the Democratic candidate whomever it may end up being would be the smartest choice, IMO.

though I agree that EVERYONE should vote Democrat, I don't know if it'll change all that much. The American agenda is set and will be very hard to change ... even for the president.

A prime example would be the abolishment of the Federal Reserve by JFK. A few months after initiating such actions the man was assassinated.

If you get too squirly with your own agenda and don't follow to suit the requirements of those who are really in charged, you might just end up dead. President or not, apparently.

Originally posted by tyranny22
though I agree that EVERYONE should vote Democrat...

Please tell me what difference have they made? "We" did vote Democrat during the last election and put them in charge of congress... the first thing Pelosi said was "impeachment is off the table".

I guess that didn't work

IMO we need a new party and R.P. is as close to that as we'll get.

PS - I'm not being paid to say this either.

[edit on 16-5-2007 by mecheng]

I was watching Fox news at about 4pm cst and they were suggesting that Ron Paul shouldn't be allowed to participate in future Republican debates. They went on to have a piece on why Americans believe in 911 conspiracies and basically belittled anyone that doesn't believe all the bs new agencies like Fox feed us. They called website like this one "cesspools". I like to watch a variety of news agencies to get different sides of things but Fox is completely bogus

That would be fitting of Fox strategy considering Paul beat out Guiliani on their own poll.

So, if someone they dont like is gaining some ground...silence them. They're the mob of the media.

As far as Paul pitching a slow ball to Guliani....what!?
Guliani is a grandstanding shill who takes any oportunity to boast how he was "part of 9/11." He knew damn well knew what Paul meant when he made those comments about foreign policy, but leave it to him to take advantage of a perfectly logical point and misinterpret it to mean something totally different. **everyone cheer for RUDY!**

Guiliani is a one hit wonder of politicians. Without 9/11 hes nothing.