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Originally posted by TheStev
You rest your case on that? Boy I'm glad you're not my lawyer.
Congratulations on your hit rate. I don't really see the relevance to this discussion though.
All about Jews huh? So you're saying that every reference to Israel in the Old Testament refers to the modern nation of Israel? The bible never uses the term 'Israel' to refer to God's people - ie the church?
I have read the old testament actually, not every single word granted, but more of it than I care to admit. I was raised in a Christian family and my dad was a minister for my formative years, so I can assure you I've read quite a bit of the Old Testament.
Okay, let me see if I can lay this out simply for you.
Jesus came to us once in the NT
In John 14 he says he will 'come back' to bring the believers to heaven.
So that's two 'comings' so far. You're claiming a 'third coming' which is not mentioned by anyone anywhere biblically. Unless you can prove me otherwise.
See this is what I don't get: you tell me you're a biblical eschatologist. You tell me you can read and write Hebrew and read Greek. You claim this intimate knowledge of the bible, and yet in all your replies you rely on your own words (and in early posts on the words written by authors believing in the rapture).
Surely the word of God speaks for itself. Surely, if there is biblical evidence of the rapture, then someone with as much knowledge of the text as you would be able to provide it quite easily.
So far, all we've got is John 14. Which says Jesus will come back. Your definition of the rapture (I think - it's hard to keep up) doesn't involve the return of Jesus.
The thing is, your beliefs seem strong, and strongly based on scripture. Yet you've only got one verse to back it up. So do your beliefs come from faith in the scripture, or do they come from faith in your own self? If they come from faith in the scripture, then you must have more than just the one verse, which by its very wording denies the type of event you are describing, to support this faith. No?
www.bibleprophesy.org...
"I sure could use a vacation from this BS, three ring, circus sideshow..."
Originally posted by shrunkensimon
I noticed that the "global consciousness meter" was on RED yesterday for quite awile.. it is currently on green right now though..
I know its probably nothing, but the last couple of days the streets seemed deserted more than usual, and the only ones out and about were chavs/pikies.. i thought that was a bit odd.
Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
No one has yet to answer my question. If this whole "Rapture" thing were true, then Jesus would not have the need to make war with the "Beast" in Revelation. I am going to keep saying this until someone responds. So, be ready to get very irritated.
[edit on 17-5-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]