Shocking - Can this be true? Aeroplanes In Ancient India?

I find this really shocking...Not just because of this article but also because of a lot of research that's available online on the topic. And believe me guys I have seen the transcript for Rigveda which proves this. Can this , in the remotest of imagination,be the reality?

www.sciforums.com...

I'am geniunely confounded. And what about you?

Another proof...If this is true or even close to it...I would be soooo lost...


techjosh.blogspot.com/search/label/Technological%20Evidences


What's even more surprising is the fact that no other religion has this kind of inferences.

A brief description from clarendon's translation of the Samaranga Sutradhara

Inside the circular air frame, place the mercury-engine with its solar mercury boiler at the aircraft center. By means of the power latent in the heated mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in a most marvellous manner. Four strong mercury containers must be built into the interior structure. When these have been heated by fire through solar or other sources the vimana (aircraft) develops thunder-power through the mercury.

contrast with.......

*The gas used to propel this type of engine is either the gas Ar (Argon) or Xe (Xenon), or the vaporized form of Hg (Mercury) or Cs (Cesium).
*This stored gas enters the ionization chamber to increase its temperature up to the thrust temperature.
*The increase in temperature is done through the ionization of the gas.
*It passes through two acceleration grids which bombard it with positive ions from the power source.
*Before reaching the nozzle the accelerated mass of ionized gas is injected with electrons.
*Thrust is obtained, and the exhaust beam is electrically neutral behind the thruster nozzle.

Lets just say your going to have to convince alot of skeptics about something like this. You realize what you saying and so far I havent been able to make head or tails about some of the stuff is mentioned.

The same claims were made in the books 'chariots of the gods' and 'return of the gods' by Erich von Daniken, which were both brilliantly fascinating reads, but also complete cobblers which did not stand up to scrutiny when you really looked into them. Von Daniken was even found faking his own evidence to back his claims up too, which was a great shame.

[edit on 11-5-2007 by waynos]

Found quite a few posts on ATS about this.
One of which is found here.

Just did a search for Vedas.

Lex

This is a good link, actually a book review, on the subject:

ds.dial.pipex.com...

I found the following quote interesting, especially considering that the swastika and the term "Aryan," both adopted by the Nazis, are of Indian origin:

"Vimanas were kept in a Vimana Griha, a kind of hanger, and were sometimes said to be propelled by a yellowish-white liquid, and sometimes by some sort of mercury compound, though writers seem confused in this matter. It is most likely that the later writers on Vimanas, wrote as observers and from earlier texts, and were understandably confused on the princible of their propulsion. The "yellowishwhite liquid" sounds suspiciously like gasoline, and perhaps Vimanas had a number of different propulsion sources, including combustion engines and even "pulse-jet" engines. It is interesting to note, that the Nazis developed the first practical pulse-jet engines for their V-8 rocket "buzz bombs." Hitler and the Nazi staff were exceptionally interested in ancient India and Tibet and sent expeditions to both these places yearly, starting in the 30's, in order to gather esoteric evidence that they did so, and perhaps it was from these people that the Nazis gained some of their scientific information!"

The same claims were made in the books 'chariots of the gods' and 'return of the gods' by Erich von Daniken, which were both brilliantly fascinating reads, but also complete cobblers which did not stand up to scrutiny when you really looked into them. Von Daniken was even found faking his own evidence to back his claims up too, which was a great shame.

Let's not compare an idiot with scripture whose precise date of origin has not even be proved. The vedas are not written by one man and are a collective body of knowledge of hundereds of learned men over thousands of years.

Isn't this much more suitable to the "Ancient Civs.." forum?
I think there are already quite a few threads on this over there

No. I think this thread is best suited in this forum. We are discussing the possibility of knowledge of aviation much before it was scientifically tested. Could there be another explaination?

Interesting facts by Wikipedia.org on the Rigveda:
Rigveda Facts - Wikipedia

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The Rigveda (Sanskrit: a tatpurusha compound of "praise, verse" and veda "knowledge") is an ancient Indian religious book, that is a collection of Vedic Sanskrit hymns dedicated to Rigvedic deities. It is counted among the four Hindu sacred texts (shruti) known as the Vedas. Based on internal evidence (philological and linguistic), the Rigveda was composed roughly between 1700–1100 BCE (the early Vedic period) in the Punjab (Sapta Sindhu) region of the Indian subcontinent,[1] putting it among the world's oldest religious texts, as well as among the oldest texts of any Indo-European language. It was preserved in India over centuries by oral tradition alone and was probably not put in writing until Late Antiquity or even the early Middle Ages.[2]

There are strong linguistic and cultural similarities between the Rigveda and the early Iranian Avesta, deriving from the Proto-Indo-Iranian times, often associated with the early Andronovo culture of ca. 2000 BC.

Today, this text is revered by Hindus around the world, primarily in India and Nepal. Its verses are recited at prayers, religious functions and other auspicious occasions..............
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Dating and Historical Reconstruction

The Rigveda is far more archaic than any other Indo-Aryan text. For this reason, it was in the center of attention of western scholarship from the times of Max Müller. The Rigveda records an early stage of Vedic religion, still closely tied to the pre-Zoroastrian Persian religion. It is thought that Zoroastrianism and Vedic Hinduism evolved from an earlier common religious Indo-Iranian culture.

The Rigveda's core is accepted to date to the late Bronze Age, making it the only example of Bronze Age literature with an unbroken tradition. Its composition is usually dated to roughly between 1700–1100 BC.[5] The text in the following centuries underwent pronunciation revisions and standardization (samhitapatha, padapatha). This redaction would have been completed around the 7th century BC.[6]

Writing appears in India around the 5th century BC in the form of the Brahmi script, but texts of the length of the Rigveda were likely not written down until much later, the oldest surviving manuscript dating to the 11th century. While written manuscripts were used for teaching in medieval times, they were written on bark or palm leaves, which decomposed quicker in the tropical climate, until the advent of the printing press from the 16th century. The hymns were thus preserved by oral tradition for up to a millennium from the time of their composition until the redaction of the Rigveda, and the entire Rigveda was preserved in shakhas for another 2,500 years from the time of its redaction until the editio princeps by Müller, a collective feat of preservation unparalleled in any other known society.

Puranic literature names Vidagdha as the author of the Padapatha.[7] Other scholars argue that Sthavira Shakalya of the Aitareya Aranyaka is the padakara of the RV.[8] After their composition, the texts were preserved and codified by a vast body of Vedic priesthood as the central philosophy of the Iron Age Vedic civilization.

The Rigveda describes a mobile, nomadic culture, with horse-drawn chariots and metal (bronze) weapons. The geography described is consistent with that of the Punjab: Rivers flow north to south, the mountains are relatively remote but still reachable (Soma is a plant found in the mountains, and it has to be purchased, imported by merchants). Nevertheless, the hymns were certainly composed over a long period, with the oldest elements possibly reaching back to times close to the split of Proto-Indo-Iranian (around 2000 BC)[9] Thus there is some debate over whether the boasts of the destruction of stone forts by the Vedic Aryans and particularly by Indra refer to cities of the Indus Valley civilization or whether they hark back to clashes between the early Indo-Aryans with the BMAC in what is now northern Afghanistan and southern Turkmenistan (separated from the upper Indus by the Hindu Kush mountain range, and some 400 km distant). In any case, while it is highly likely that the bulk of the Rigveda was composed in the Punjab, even if based on earlier poetic traditions, there is no mention of either tigers or rice[10] in the Rigveda (as opposed to the later Vedas), suggesting that Vedic culture only penetrated into the plains of India after its completion. Similarly, it is assumed that there is no mention of iron although the term ayas (metal) occurs in the Rig Veda. [11] The Iron Age in northern India begins in the 12th century BC with the Black and Red Ware (BRW) culture. This is a widely accepted timeframe for the beginning codification of the Rigveda (i.e. the arrangement of the individual hymns in books, and the fixing of the samhitapatha (by applying Sandhi) and the padapatha (by dissolving Sandhi) out of the earlier metrical text), and the composition of the younger Vedas. This time probably coincides with the early Kuru kingdom, shifting the center of Vedic culture east from the Punjab into what is now Uttar Pradesh.

Some of the names of gods and goddesses found in the Rigveda are found amongst other belief systems based on Proto-Indo-European religion as well: Dyaus-Pita is cognate with Greek Zeus, Latin Jupiter (from deus-pater), and Germanic Tyr; while Mitra is cognate with Persian Mithra; also, Ushas with Greek Eos and Latin Aurora; and, less certainly, Varuna with Greek Uranos. Finally, Agni is cognate with Latin ignis and Russian ogon, both meaning "fire".

Some writers have traced astronomical references[2] in the Rigveda dating it to as early as 4000 BC[12], a date well within the Indian Neolithic. Claims of such evidence remain controversial. [13] but are a key factor in the development of the Proto-Vedic Continuity theory.

N. Kazanas [14] in a polemic against the "Aryan Invasion Theory" suggests a date as early as 3100 BC, based on an identification of the early Rigvedic Sarasvati River as the Ghaggar-Hakra and on glottochronological arguments. Being a polemic against mainstream scholarship, this is in diametral opposition to views in mainstream historical linguistics, and supports the controversial Out of India theory, which assumes a date as late as 3000 BC for the age of late Proto-Indo-European itself.

It has been observed that the earliest extant chariot found dates to at most 2100 BCE (Sintashta-Petrovka, southern Urals), while the earliest Harappan seals showing a man over spoked wheels (possibly symbolizing chariots) can be dated no older than 1960 BCE. The references to chariots therefore limit the historical context to approximately 2000 BCE or less. This is further validated by the oldest acceptable dated horse remains in India (not ass or onager) being no older than circa 2000 BCE. Therefore from the archeological evidence any date earlier than 2000 BCE should be considered speculative.

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I think this is pretty amazing. I'm going to have to read the Rigveda translation.

It seems as though these could be sources documenting observed aircrafts that were not of a foreign source. Don't know if that means extraterrestrial saucer type craft, or a craft from somewhere else on Earth.

The details behind these scripts is almost unbelievable. These descriptions of flying craft would have been an incredible thought in the 1800's AD, and to think they are far far older.


[edit on 5/14/2007 by infinite8]

Flying machines feature prominently in Da Vincis writings, but noone is claiming he actually flew.

Flying is so widely referenced in ancient texts precisely because noone could do it and therefore anyone that could was special and important and thus it was ascribed to religious icons and other important cultural peoples to increase their status.

Look at the fantastic powers ancient asian and egyptian emperors had according to their historical writings - again suddenly when technology made its impression, these powers disappeared.

Flying is so widely referenced in ancient texts precisely because noone could do it and therefore anyone that could was special and important and thus it was ascribed to religious icons and other important cultural peoples to increase their status.

Please refer to the chaain of discussion in this thread. Writing about emperors,kings and queens flying is one thing but writing in detail about the MODE and TECHNOLOGY used - as in Vedas is different. Da Vinci also talks only about the concept of flying,he has never spoken on the possiblity of using a particular TECHNOLOGY in flying . Vedas DO. that's a major difference.

I'm also very skeptical of these claims.

Mainly i am thinking of the source of propulsion of these craft, which even if was powered by mercury vapour or what ever, still needed to be fabricated from a hardy metal.

why have many matal items been found, from so many thousands of years ago, yet nothing remotely like any thing to be found to power the aircraft.
on this line of thought, why, if these abilities were avalible, were not they applied on a broad scale to all modes of transport.

in the summary above, its was said that soma was avalible from the mountains, and they were near, but still not easily accsesible. witht his kind of craft wouldnt it be resonable to think they would have made use of them much as we do today?

why have many matal items been found, from so many thousands of years ago, yet nothing remotely like any thing to be found to power the aircraft

tiddly - There's a difference between existence and our ability to find. the fact that something has not been discovered/found does not mean that it never existed. I think there might be a time when we are really able to unearth something which might be perceived as a real proof of such metals. What do you think?

Originally posted by AryanWatch

why have many matal items been found, from so many thousands of years ago, yet nothing remotely like any thing to be found to power the aircraft

tiddly - There's a difference between existence and our ability to find. the fact that something has not been discovered/found does not mean that it never existed. I think there might be a time when we are really able to unearth something which might be perceived as a real proof of such metals. What do you think?

Just because we are unaware of anything being found, does not mean that it hasn't ocurred. There are powerful people in powerful places that would have these artifacts and be happy not to show them to anyone.

If there were terrestrial crafts manufactured on Earth, there is a good chance that they detiorated over time or were detroyed or hidden. There are some amazing artifacts in a book called Hidden Archeology.

Originally posted by AryanWatch

Please refer to the chaain of discussion in this thread. Writing about emperors,kings and queens flying is one thing but writing in detail about the MODE and TECHNOLOGY used - as in Vedas is different. Da Vinci also talks only about the concept of flying,he has never spoken on the possiblity of using a particular TECHNOLOGY in flying . Vedas DO. that's a major difference.

Da Vinci wrote extensively on methods and modes of flying, and designed quite a few flying machines.

If they had all this brilliant technology, why did they stop using it and allow the knowledge to all but disappear?


Sorry, complete and utter BS to me.

Maybe it was one of these that really hit the Pentagon?

Maybe it was one of these that really hit the Pentagon?

But the Pentagon event is much later then the Vedic period.is this supposed to be a debate or a mockery? Or is this your idea of a joke?