How do Psychoactive Chemicals Tie in to Your Beliefs?

Like them or not, the fact is that psychoactive chemicals exist in our world and have been explored by humans since the beginning of our history. The importance of the naturally occurring substances such as marijuana, mushrooms, dmt, ibogaine, and many others is obvious in early cultures, but is virtually overlooked in modern society. The dramatic effects are something that should not be overlooked by anyone, because it is our consciousness that sets us apart on our planet.

My questions is how do these very important parts of our world tie into your beliefs?

Example questions:

Do the elite know about their effects and use them to their advantage?

Do extraterrestrials know about them, use some of their own, or are some of these substances themselves extraterrestrial?

If you are religious, how do they tie into your beliefs since they are naturally occurring?

If you believe we are consciously creating our universe, as some quanntum physicists suggest, then how do these altered states of consciousness tie in?

Discussion includes, but is not limited to
Marijuana - naturally occuring plant
Salvia - naturally occuring plant
Opiates - naturally occuring plant
Ibogaine - naturally occurring plant
Mushrooms - naturally occuring fungus
'___' - extracted from naturally occurring fungus
'___' - naturally occurring in all living things
Peyote (mescaline) - naturally occurring plant

Please try and keep this discussion serious (don't need to hear about funny things that happened to you while stoned/tripping etc.) and free of sarcasm/put downs. I really want to know everyone's views and have a good discussion, because this is a highly overlooked aspect of society.

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Great thread idea!

I used to do a lot of '___' extraction a few years ago, and have formed some ideas to do with the FUNDAMENTAL nature of psychoactives. I want to take some time to tell you exactly what I think, which I don't have now. But I will be back!

I agree very cool thread idea. I believe that since most of these psychoactive chemicals are found naturally in plants that they were put here for a reason. People have been using these plants throughout history and for many different purposes. I think the governments fill threatened by them since I believe they can lead to a higher level of consiousness that isn't readily available to the natural mind. I think if used correctly it allows people to understand the world differently and allows the mind to comprehend things in a different manner than what society shows us.

MFF, have you seen the thread I started here a couple years back?
Tryptamines and God
Thought you might find it interesting.

Can I just add Datura to your list? This is in Brugmasia family and grown for its ornamental value but also has strong psychoactive properties.

Last year it was found to be growing in various waste areas in the city I live (UK) and there were very vigourous warning in the press about its poisonous nature with no mention of its spiritual heritage.

The CIA certainly carried out tests using marijuana and actually refined it so that it was clear and could be soaked into ordinary cigarettes. Obviously they found it wasn't too good for interrogation, good for aimless jabbering but not much else. '___' also, tested, evidently because they feared that the Russians were stockpiling Ergot (source fungus), though me thinks this was a rouse.

Certainly in the UK there are many more plants with 'medicinal' properties associated with witchcraft or naturalist religions which were suppressed or outlawed by latinisation - mandrake, monksbane (lovely plant I have it in my garden) etc. Some particularly those that were used for reproductive purposes, contraception/abortion, were forbidden by the church as sacriligious.

I think that 'narcotics' in general are used against us, they aid in the control of population. The differences between cannabis sativa and indica shows an apparent knowledge of the psychotropic properties by governments. It would seem that they would rather we smoked skunk than good resin because with the former we get stoned and high. The latter only stoned. You also get a higher yield from skunk and it is potentially more damaging to mental health.

I can't comment on extraterrestrials as I am yet to meet one, that said I don't think I've ever met a CIA agent either. Governments must be aware of the same research that we are. Many of these drugs are classed as 'hard' because they offer 'visions', some are admittedly toxic, but I think that suppression is more realted to christianity than government, although there are tie-ine there. In short though, you don't want just anyone thinking they can see god now do you.

Nice thread.

Thanks guys. I'm hoping this thread attracts some people who may not know alot about this stuff, because there is profound connection to many alternative topics.

Twitchy - That is a very nice thread and I hope other people will take a look at it or you can transfer some of your ideas here. The idea of the amanita being the 'holy grail' has always peaked my interest and I can see you have alot of knowledge in the religious connection to these things. I never thought about the mushroom tinting water red (turning it to 'wine'), and the idea of death and rebirth from the sort of trance (death) from high doses and 'snapping out of it' with a new perspective (rebirth).

These are the sorts of things I want people to realize

Karilla - I knew you would like it, waiting to hear back

I grew mushrooms through high school and consumed more '___' than I care to recall but more than anything I felt like it made me vulnerable. I dont know to why exactly but unless I was in a familiar area surrounded by familiar people I couldnt cope. I thought I wouldnt be aware when I needed to be, quick when I needed to be or ready when I needed to be. Like a crab on its back with the seagulls circling above.

Since Ive been consumed by my anti-government, anti-NWO paranoia Ive been sober. Keeping an eye on globalsists and tripping or getting drunk or stoned dont go very well together. Not to mention stock-piling firearms and ammo really doesnt go well with intoxication.

But then I drink coffee, sleep very lightly and am convinced Im on some list somewhere for something and I dont like it.

I need a vacation.

I would say i've experimented in drugs to quite some depth, in so far as i've used recreational drugs for a number of years.

From the age of about 15 till i was about 18 i was quite into the illegal rave scene in the UK, so ecstacy was my drug of choice. Then i moved onto acid and magic mushrooms for a few years, followed by a couple of years of speed and coc aine use. I gave it all up about 4 years ago and only have a smoke these days..

I can't say it has had much of an impact to my beliefs/ or lack of them. When ever i was using drugs i always compared the feelings to that of the animal and natural world, kind of like senses you once had but made redundant through evolution and therefore of no relevant use.

I'm not so sure about a conspiracy of elite using them for there own needs (or denying them for the same reason), i think it's more of a case that the subject is to complex and the results of experiments to unpredictable to begin with, therefore it's left alone.

Originally posted by Mushroom Fields Forever
My questions is how do these very important parts of our world tie into your beliefs?

Example questions:

-Do the elite know about their effects and use them to their advantage?
-Do extraterrestrials know about them, use some of their own, or are some of these substances themselves extraterrestrial?
-If you are religious, how do they tie into your beliefs since they are naturally occurring?
-If you believe we are consciously creating our universe, as some quanntum physicists suggest, then how do these altered states of consciousness tie in?

They tie into my beliefs very much so, because i believe consciousness itself is at the heart of reality, that everything is infact consciousness or an expression of consciousness.

-Yes the elite know of their effects, but they use rituals using specific sounds and images to induce an altered state of consciousness (ripe for programming), rather than using psychoactive compounds. They know of the positive benefits one can gain from these substances, which is why they made Magic Mushrooms fully class A in this country (UK); This defies all logic, because liberty caps grow naturally in this country, and if used properly it is nowhere near as dangerous as going picking yourself/picking the wrong mushroom.

-I've heard many referrences to the alien like nature of the Cannabis plant. It is the only plant in which male and female are shown on a genetic level. I have no idea whether ETs use drugs.. if they were advanced enough, they would have access to the higher conscious realms anyway. i think its more of a tool/wakeup for those species who are about to become highly advanced.

-Im not religious, and i always took the "drugs are bad" line up until i actually tried Cannabis (my first drug). This wasnt because i believed they were bad, but because i was told they were bad by school education... i now understand that the reason why they are "bad" is because they are bad for "society"...in otherwords, it helps people come to realise that we are being screwed over on a daily basis by our leaders. There was never any mention of the positives of these substances, always the negatives...and now that ive experienced alot of them, its pretty obvious to me that it is nothing more than propaganda to say that "drugs are bad".

-As Bill Hicks once said (and i fully agree with him);

"I believe that God left certain drugs growing naturally upon our planet to help speed up and facilitate our evolution. OK, not the most popular idea ever expressed. Either that or you're all real high and agreeing with me in the only way you can right now. (Starts blinking)"

just to clarify, "god" to me means "the sum of all consciousness", ie everything that is in existence (because i believe everything is conscious, and there is nothing outside of this).

Thus, i believe drugs are here because we intended them to be here. They help to remind us of who and what we really are. A very useful tool to have when seperated from the true nature of reality, as we are when incarnated as humans (period).

Don't forget ayahuasca? It's good for bonding a tribe or group together. She is also the one who will tell you about other plants.

I mainly added the extraterrestrial question because of a book called 'Food of the Gods' by Terence McKenna. Here is an excerpt called 'The Mushroom Speaks'

I am old, older than thought in your species, which is itself fifty times older than your history. Though I have been on earth for ages I am from the stars. My home is no one planet, for many worlds scattered through the shining disc of the galaxy have conditions which allow my spores an opportunity for life. The mushroom which you see is the part of my body given to sex thrills and sun bathing, my true body is a fine network of fibers growing through the soil.

deoxy.org...

Also this

Cannabis is a Greek word, though it’s root is African. West of West Somalia is a tribe called the Dogons (pronounced doe’gon). About 300 BCE, Heroditous, a Greek traveler and chronicler, found the Dogons in a year long celebration. hey pointed to the brightest star in the winter sky, and called it the “Two Dog star”, the home of the “Two Dog plant” cannabis.

www.hypervue.com...

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Originally posted by forestlady
Don't forget ayahuasca? It's good for bonding a tribe or group together. She is also the one who will tell you about other plants.

One thing about this i find interesting is that natives combined two plants, one with the '___' inside, one with a MAIO inhibitor (to release the dmt)..the plants do grow near each other, but i really don't think it was "trial and error" that led to the discovery of the plants potential..

There are thousands of species of plant in the Amazon, yet they somehow knew to combine two together to increase the potency/release of the '___'!

Excellent book. I highly recommend it. (Food of the Gods)

Supernatural by Graham Hancock is book with some interesting material on early cave drawings and hallucinogenics of choice from that area. making connections between the half-man/half-animal drawings and the visions while under the influence.

Originally posted by forestlady
Don't forget ayahuasca? It's good for bonding a tribe or group together. She is also the one who will tell you about other plants.

Yea I didn't add that because it kind of falls under '___'. I in no way want that to be overlooked because it could be the most important psychedelic still used by tribes today.

I also think it is highly significant that people who take ibogaine supposively all see the same 'god' who talks to them and shows them their life. People are surprised when they hear this, if it's just some drug how could everyone 'hallucinate' the same thing?

I can't say I'm all that experienced in the realm of psychoactives, but they are definitely here for a purpose other than "criminal."

Like other posters, I was totally anti-"drugs" whatever you want to call them maybe substance is more accurate. I tried smoking for the first time with my younger brother and immediately I understood that I wasn't damaging anything in my body except short term memory. I haven't progressed very far into the field, but when I have tried it I usually gain something worthwhile out of the expereience.

It's like everything else, you overuse it addiction/abuse will come. However, when treated properly it can be a great incite into consciousness and other dimensions...

Salvia is a great legal one, pretty much any mushroom except the poisonous ones (which is all of them...shizer).

Very helpful in exploring other dimensions that we cannot see in waking life, great thread Mushroom Fields Forever.

I'm all for it but what concerns me is why Goverments want to ban what is natural whilst allowing the populace to be drugged to death on so called legal safe drugs.

Here in the UK our nannies have decided that shrooms are an A class drug, Why? how can a none addictive fungus be in the same class as crack coc aine or heroin.

I'm sure the real reason is that they do not want us to "see" what's really going on.

We as humans need to consume to survive. Food for sustenance, water for life. The best foods are natural ones, organic foods which as we all know, can give us health, vitality, and above all life.

Most drugs are naturally and organically produced. If we accept the importance of ingesting foods, and the significance of it, we can surely apply the same basis to that of certain drugs, i.e naturally occuring substances that can enhance us. Vitamin C can help skin conditions, glucose gives energy, certain substances can give intellectual/spiritual enhancement. We need to remove the stigma to start learning.

Originally posted by magicmushroom
I'm all for it but what concerns me is why Goverments want to ban what is natural whilst allowing the populace to be drugged to death on so called legal safe drugs.

I'm sure the real reason is that they do not want us to "see" what's really going on.

That is the real reason, IMHO. Cannabis, Mushrooms, '___', '___' etc are all consciousness expanding drugs, and help reveal the nature of reality.

As you said, if they really cared about our health and wellbeing, which is supposedly what the illegal status of these drugs does, to "protect us", then why on earth would they allow things like aspartame in food products, fluoride in our water and chemtrail fuzz in the skys.

They are attacking the health of everyone on all levels, yet they say psychoactive compounds are dangerous..

It is definatley about control. The legal drugs are all those which have no real pyschological impact, certainly not positive. Tobacco for instance, its main effect is getting people addicted, thus needing to buy more, of which goverments take a cut in tax. It does not induce inspiration, insight, or anything 'they' would consider dangerous.

Alcohol, again taxed, is a depressive, which generally makes people more accepting of their own situations. It is a drug of the masses, to control the masses, it keeps the peasants happy, again not inspiring genuine inspiration or insight.