Rumsfeld keeps ghoulish 9/11 souvenirs

Also, I used the Berlin Wall as a reference because it was an example of someone keeping a symbol of a negative event in history to remember what has happened. What the Berlin Wall stood for was a very, very bad thing. A piece of the aircraft that hit the pentagon on 9/11 is such a symbol.

to compare the breaking of the berlin wall to 9/11 is apples and oranges.
the breaking of the wall was a sign of freedom.
It may have stood for evil, but its destruction was the sign of good and democracy over evil and communism.
the end of the cold war.

the 9/11 event was not a sign of freedom.
It will never be seen as a good thing
the end of the wall was a good thing
come on guys try some logic please

Originally posted by Inannamute
Ludacris.. Yes, I think most people would consider keeping the windshield of a car someone you knew died in a sign of some severe mental problems related to grief.

Some of the items removed by people as souvenirs could be considered tantamount to looting.. It's ok to loot a crime scene now?

I don't care who it is, the actions of all of these people, rumsfeld or not, are reprehensible.

That's my opinion. You all are welcome to your own opinions, but to me, keeping souvenirs like that is macabre

I want to make something clear. I am strictly talking about keeping something as a reminder of what happened that day. What the hell does it matter what the physical piece is? Its a matter of the emotional rememberence associated with an item. The actual item has nothing to do with what happened. Rumsfeld could have taken a peice of dried crap off the lawn of the pentagon to remind him of what happened that day. Would that make a difference? NO!

I wasn't using the item as an example of it's absurdity either. I think that any mother keeping a piece of something her child died in would be in for some serious psychological counseling by someone..

Funny.

I recall Rumsfeld saying that a missile hit the Pentagon TWICE. But, I guess one man's missile is another man's plane...

If y'all think that's bad, I guess y'all don't know about the remains of 9/11 victims used to fill potholes. I made a thread about that, but alas, no one cares.:shk:

People keep things, sometimes the last thing that they had or saw with that person. My father died of a heart attack and I kept one of the EKG connectors becasue it was the last thing on him alive. I don't need counseling but it is also part of the grieving process for some.

for the life of me I cannot remember the last time a scene of tragedy and human death was something to keep a momento of?
Anyone keep the debris from the last car accident that took a family member like the windshield wiper?
I have three wipers and counting

Originally posted by junglelord
for the life of me I cannot remember the last time a scene of tragedy and human death was something to keep a momento of?
Anyone keep the debris from the last car accident that took a family member like the windshield wiper?
I have three wipers and counting

Firstly, esdad gave a nice example. Secondly, just because you don't remember anyone keeping a momento doesn't make it wrong. For that matter, even if no has ever in the history of mankind taken a peice of an accident, what makes it wrong?

Why is it so hard to beleive rumsfeld (and let me remind you I have no sympathy or respect for this man) kept this item to remind him of what the US and coalition are fighting for? Why is this not good enough for you?

Originally posted by LuDaCrIs
Why is it so hard to beleive rumsfeld (and let me remind you I have no sympathy or respect for this man) kept this item to remind him of what the US and coalition are fighting for? Why is this not good enough for you?

Because I, and I think that I have a good majority with me on this, don't know what it is that we are fighting for. Could you enlighten us? What significance does Iraq have to the War of Terror?

TheBorg

thanks to the Borg, I have the same question?

say what you want, defend what you will, I do not see it that way (those who think its resonable to have a piece of 9/11 in your home or office).

I am fully convinced that the war in Iraq is a good reason to question everything else

Originally posted by truthseeka
If y'all think that's bad, I guess y'all don't know about the remains of 9/11 victims used to fill potholes. I made a thread about that, but alas, no one cares.:shk:

I care. That's why I'm here. Nice to see you in the 9/11 threads again.

Originally posted by LuDaCrIs
Rumsfeld could have taken a peice of dried crap off the lawn of the pentagon to remind him of what happened that day. Would that make a difference? NO!

Yes! Because a piece of dried crap wouldn't be considered "evidence". Remember what that word means? Jeez. Has anyone been to a real airplane crash site? They don't let you touch anything, let alone "take" something for your own personal pleasure (what ever that may be).

good point...and with the amount of unknowns how in the world the stuff got shipped off, the remains were in potholes and the rummy has a peice is beyond me.
what about the clean air go ahead so the stuff would move fast?
give me a break
and they believe them
so it shows you that the best minded people lose their logical sense when someone in authority tells you its OK
there was no way that air was safe to breath
PLEASE
So dont be so surprised that so many people just toe the party line
the airs fine

Originally posted by Griff
Yes! Because a piece of dried crap wouldn't be considered "evidence".

At least a piece of dried crap would be closer to the true opinion of the effort being put towards this war that no one but the elites want to be fighting.

Why does it seem so normal for some that a man keeps a token of one of the darkest times in American history? You don't hear about any ex presidents or presidential aids keeping any parts of the Japanese Zeros that attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941, do you? Why is this any different?

TheBorg

Originally posted by TheBorg
At least a piece of dried crap would be closer to the true opinion of the effort being put towards this war that no one but the elites want to be fighting.

Why does it seem so normal for some that a man keeps a token of one of the darkest times in American history? You don't hear about any ex presidents or presidential aids keeping any parts of the Japanese Zeros that attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941, do you? Why is this any different?

Why did German soldiers keep Nazi memorabilia? Why did Japanese soldiers keep their miltary hardware and items?

I fail too see why its such a big deal????? Its a part of history. Would you keep a piece of the Twin Towers if you could? Or for that matter, the discarded chewing gum of a baseball star? History is where you find it, both good and bad. A piece of one of the 911 aircraft is a piece of history.

How many of you would turn down the oppurtunity to keep a piece of history?

Originally posted by FredT
How many of you would turn down the oppurtunity to keep a piece of history?

That depends on what piece, and my reasoning for keeping said piece. If it's a piece of one of the planes that struck on 9/11, I'd be wondering why anyone would want that? Who's going to forget for at least the next 4 generations? Unless something absolutely atrocious occurs in the next few years, then it'll be a LONG time I think before the People forget something like that.

Remember now that people still remember December 7th, 1941, almost 66 years after it happened. How much longer will people remember 9/11, with or without a piece of it to remember it by?

TheBorg

I dunno,

I took stones from Hiroshima, Auschwitz, Normandy beach and Nagasaki...
If I was at WTC when it happened i would of taken something too.

Think about it, its a major piece of history.
why not have something u can stare at and go .
WOW..... that 'thing' was there when it happened.

Rummsfields a very poetic and complicated person in his head.

I dont think he took it as a momento, i think he took it as a symbol.

I personally think he knows 911 was more an inside job that terrorists
And it hurts him, he did everything fighting for his great nation always throwing out as being the leader...

and when his own country men did something like that to his own nation.. it hurt him.

you can see it in his eyes.

BUT, in saying that he's a war mongerer.

all his mental pain vanished when he got to play general with tanks n armies.

Okay...

After much thinking on this, I suppose I can understand where the taking of something like that might be acceptable, but only under strict terms. I can relate to wanting something that was actually at the scene of a world-changing incident. It's all about the novelty factor, isn't it?

I'm just a little perturbed that someone would want anything from that moment in time is all. All bad memories there for me and so many others... It's something that sometimes I wish that I could just forget.

TheBorg

[Edited for clarity.]

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Originally posted by truthseeka
Funny.

I recall Rumsfeld saying that a missile hit the Pentagon TWICE. But, I guess one man's missile is another man's plane...

First time, Oct 12 2001: a "mistranscription," hilarious in its obviousness, if you care to learn
Second time?? Please enlighten me

If y'all think that's bad, I guess y'all don't know about the remains of 9/11 victims used to fill potholes. I made a thread about that, but alas, no one cares.:shk:

No gross distortions there to be sure. It fits the ghastly theme, do provide a link?

My .02 again, it's understandable, piece of history and all that. Whatever. Maybe it's evidence of mental not-rightness on Rummy's part but there's already enough of that. Covering up evidence? C'mon, they had the whole damn plane. I don't think one little scrap makes a difference. If it did then they catalogued and photoed it and let him keep it. Now if it was, like, the homing beacon that guidd the plane in, well we probably wouldn't be hearing so much about it.

[edit on 10-5-2007 by Caustic Logic]