The Islamic Connection

Originally posted by WiseSheep


Watch it in it's entirety and comment back, if you can disprove anything he presents.

I don't give a hoot about selling dvds or even promoting the man. In fact he's part of an organization, I wouldn't give you five cents for.

Yet and still. Truth is truth, no matter the vessel which brings it. Eat the meat and spit out the bones.

Islam is a total fraud. Used as a front. Anything Islam owns, Rome owns. Pretty easy to discern after looking at most of the puzzle.

[edit on 7-5-2007 by WiseSheep]

In Mediterranean countries there are thousands of churches that have been built on previously pagan temples; does that mean that Christians secretly worship Zeus, Apollo or Pallas Athena?

The Pope kisses the Quran and that makes him a Muslim?


What is there to disprove, the photographs are real enough but it is the way that it has been put together that is biased, partisan and highly dishonest.

It is obviously aimed at those who dislike Rome and Islam.

It is for very gullible people and it is based on the principle that a " fool and his money are soon parted"

What do you think of this video?
www.youtube.com...



Are you Jewish wisesheep?

Originally posted by Belinquest



In Mediterranean countries there are thousands of churches that have been built on previously pagan temples; does that mean that Christians secretly worship Zeus, Apollo or Pallas Athena?

Likely the majority of these churches are Catholic or branch offs.

The top of the organization Catholics, Muslims, Masons are all on the same team. The fact that they fight each other is to blind you to the truth. Satan could care less who dies to keep the world in blindness.

And yet..........the blind man says look at all the problems that religion causes. That's right..........religion from Satan from Babylon.

Originally posted by adnanmuf
Judgement of New Babylon you mean, the harlot of nations of the Revelations

Nope, I mean the judgement of Babylon that is modern day Iraq. The prophecies of Jeremiah 50 and 51 and Isaiah 13 are being fulfilled right now.

Babylon is judged by a people from the north, a great nation(USA) and many kings from the farthest border. Mystery Babylon of Revelation will be judged by 10 kings that will rule the earth in the future under Antichrist.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Likely the majority of these churches are Catholic or branch offs.

The top of the organization Catholics, Muslims, Masons are all on the same team. The fact that they fight each other is to blind you to the truth. Satan could care less who dies to keep the world in blindness.

And yet..........the blind man says look at all the problems that religion causes. That's right..........religion from Satan from Babylon.

Did you know:
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.-- Job 1:6,

One thing I can predict with absolute certainty, dear Sun Matrix; all this stuff you insist on believing will not happen in your lifetime so you will never know.

Originally posted by Belinquest

One thing I can predict with absolute certainty, dear Sun Matrix; all this stuff you insist on believing will not happen in your lifetime so you will never know.

Really, Babylon is being judged right now. What happens when that occurs?

Isaiah 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Antichrist is alive and well right now. The New World Order is being set up right in front of your eyes........and yet you cannot see.

So please clue me in on why you are mistakenly so sure it won't happen in my lifetime.

muslims did not kill and pillage in Europe Spain were happy.
The crusade came 400 years after battle of toulose not direct response.
In summary the savage people of the earth were always the Europeans either killing each other ( huns on goths-Goths on goths in Europe Middle Ages) or against other people ( Americas Africa Asia you name it they killed it

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

So please clue me in on why you are mistakenly so sure it won't happen in my lifetime.

If I tell you earthly things, and you do not believe; how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

Originally posted by adnanmuf
muslims did not kill and pillage in Europe Spain were happy.
The crusade came 400 years after battle of toulose not direct response.
In summary the savage people of the earth were always the Europeans either killing each other ( huns on goths-Goths on goths in Europe Middle Ages) or against other people ( Americas Africa Asia you name it they killed it

Hello Adnanmuf,

It is a bit off topic and I was hoping to hear from Wisesheep about the silly video he posted...

You seem an informed person so I am surprised about your bias on the Crusades; the Muslims didn't go to Spain with picnic baskets and if people were happy it was because the unhappy ones were killed.
They must have been as happy as the Palestinians are to day.


And what do you suppose the Muslims were doing in Toulouse? Do you think that they were bringing happiness to France as well as Spain?

By the eighth century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor (modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul. The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades.

Pope Urban II called upon the knights of Christendom to push back the conquests of Islam at the Council of Clermont in 1095. The response was tremendous. Many thousands of warriors took the vow of the cross and prepared for war.

the goths had recently invaded Spain 100 years before the Muslims, The goths even named it on their original country Svain ( sweden) where they came from 2000 years before (Berik epic).They the Goths entered spain ( was not spain by name yet but part of Cartatha the poenicians ) they killed the phoenicians brothers of the arabs killed also the Vandals ( who escaped for their lived to Africa and became the berber) so the Arabs (muslems) returned spain to it s owners the phoenicians ( arabs) and Vandals (bereber). Goths (visigoths did not settle yet-less a hundered years). at the same time Britain were being attacked by the other Goths (Saxons and Engould) killed all the celts (black irish).
The Goths are the people of the blue or light eyes because they used to eat humans because they did not know agriculture, they had blond hair because they wore the Scythian hat ( the proto Cowboy leather hat).
So to make story short, this preacher just shot himself in the foot.
Now he should stop blabling about God and Jesus since he and his people are Gog and Magog.

Originally posted by adnanmuf
the goths had recently invaded Spain 100 years before the Muslims, The goths even named it on their original country Svain ( sweden) where they came from 2000 years before (Berik epic).They the Goths entered spain ( was not spain by name yet but part of Cartatha the poenicians ) they killed the phoenicians brothers of the arabs killed also the Vandals ( who escaped for their lived to Africa and became the berber) so the Arabs (muslems) returned spain to it s owners the phoenicians ( arabs) and Vandals (bereber). Goths (visigoths did not settle yet-less a hundered years). at the same time Britain were being attacked by the other Goths (Saxons and Engould) killed all the celts (black irish).
The Goths are the people of the blue or light eyes because they used to eat humans because they did not know agriculture, they had blond hair because they wore the Scythian hat ( the proto Cowboy leather hat).
So to make story short, this preacher just shot himself in the foot.
Now he should stop blabling about God and Jesus since he and his people are Gog and Magog.

I didn't think we were discussing the Visigoth presence in Spain but the Muslims...

I am sorry but I don't understand your Gog and Magog reference.

Are you an Ahmadiyya?

Originally posted by Belinquest

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

So please clue me in on why you are mistakenly so sure it won't happen in my lifetime.

If I tell you earthly things, and you do not believe; how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

I'm not asking you to tell me heavenly things. I'm also not looking for excuses. You said these things will not happen in my lifetime. What can you offer as proof?...........or even a guess?

Nice avatar.........by the way Satan is no longer in heaven.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

I'm not asking you to tell me heavenly things. I'm also not looking for excuses. You said these things will not happen in my lifetime. What can you offer as proof?...........or even a guess?

Nice avatar.........by the way Satan is no longer in heaven.

Sun Matrix, you cool dude!

"For your Maker is your husband, the Lord of hosts is his name, and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; the God of the whole earth he is called"

A Mystery is a Truth which we are not merely incapable of discovering apart from Divine Revelation, but which, even when revealed, remains "hidden” by the veil of Faith and enveloped, so to speak, by a kind of Darkness.


Here is a gift for you for liking my avatar.

An inscription on a clay cylinder in cuneiform from 538 B.C.

"I am Cyrus, king of the world, great king, mighty king, king of Babylon, king of the land of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four quarters, son of Cambyses, great king, king of Anshan, grandson of Cyrus, great king, king of Anshan, descendant of Teispes, great king, king of Anshan, progeny of an unending royal line, whose rule Bel and Nabu cherish, whose kingship they desire for their hearts' pleasures.

When I, well-disposed, entered Babylon, I established the seat of government in the royal palace amidst jubilation and rejoicing. Marduk, the great God, caused the big-hearted inhabitants of Babylon to...me. I sought daily to worship him. My numerous troops moved about undisturbed in the midst of Babylon.

I did not allow any to terrorize the land of Sumer and Akkad. I kept in view the needs of Babylon and all its sanctuaries to promote their well-being. The citizens of Babylon... I lifted their unbecoming yoke. Their dilapidated dwellings I restored. I put an end to their misfortunes.

At my deeds Marduk, the great Lord, rejoiced, and to me, Cyrus, the king who worshipped, and to Cambyses, my son, the offspring of my loins, and to all my troops, he graciously gave his blessing, and in good spirit is before him we/glorified/exceedingly his high divinity.

All the kings who sat in the throne rooms, throughout the four quarters, from the Upper to the Lower Sea, those who dwelt in ... all the kings of the West Country who dwelt in tents, brought me their heavy tribute and kissed my feet in Babylon. From ... to the cities of Ashur and Susa, Agade, Eshnuna, the cities of Zamban, Meurnu, Der, as far as the region of the land of Gutium, the holy cities beyond the Tigris whose sanctuaries had been in ruins over a long period, the Gods whose abode is in the midst of them. I returned to the places and housed them in lasting abodes. I gathered together all their inhabitants and restored to them their dwellings. The Gods of Sumer and Akkad whom Nabonidus had, to the anger of the Lord of the Gods, brought into Babylon, I at the bidding of Marduk, the great Lord made to dwell in peace in their habitations, delightful abodes.

May all the gods whom I have placed within their sanctuaries address a daily prayer in my favour before Bel and Nabu, that my days may long, and may they say to Marduk my Lord, May Cyrus the King who reveres thee, and Cambyses his son ..."

Language: Akkadian
Medium: clay cylinder
Size: 23 cm long
11 cm wide
Length: 40+ lines of writing
(although broken)
Genre:

Date: 538 BCE
Cyrus's reign: 557–529 BCE
Place of Discovery: Nineveh, Iraq
Date of Discovery: 1879

Discoverer: Hormuzd Rassam
Current Location: British Museum
Inventory number: BM WAA 90920
(BM = British Museum;
WAA = Western Asiastic Antiquities)

to Bellinquest:

No I was not off topic concerning Spain. The Arabs invaded spain and wrested it from the Goths who were the real invaders of Spain. All current spaniards trace them selves to the Visigoths ( Western Goths).
Spain belonged to Cartajians phoenicians the brothers of the Arabs and also to the berber who sttled in Spain before the Goths.
As for you Mystery babylon. Babylon lies in ruin since 2600 years ago land of the jackals till this day.
Bagdad is not Babylon.
Mystery babylon the harlot of nations is the US, go check google.
At any rate the Revelations chapter 10 talkes about an army of locusts ( tanks and heliocepters) will creep into FRZ ( iraq) from the bottom of the pit (kuwait), remember the city of steel! 2003 the march to bagdad across the desert with lots of dust ( revelations)!. Never in history of Man and war tanks crosses desert for hundreds of miles non stop. this is it revelation, and if you can't see that then because you are one of gog and magog ( in a state of denial).
By the way, unwalled villages (mentioned in Ezekial) is mentioned only another time in the bible in Ester book refering to Iraq specifically) when the jews took revenge on the people of (FRZ) and where were the jews in the diaspora ( Iraq of course).
as for Jeremia: can' t you see that his prophecy was achieved on ancient babylon especially his mention that the city of Babylon will become deserted only for jackals and beasts and this is exactly wht happened to babyon ( near the current iraqi city of Hillah) whic is actually prospering ( shia population)

Originally posted by adnanmuf
to Bellinquest:

No I was not off topic concerning Spain. The Arabs invaded spain and wrested it from the Goths who were the real invaders of Spain. All current spaniards trace them selves to the Visigoths ( Western Goths).

When I said we were "off topic" I meant we were no longer talking about WiseSheep' s video.

Whether the Muslim invaded the Visigoths or the Spaniards is irrelevant, the Crusades were a response to Muslim's expansionist threat.

Because you are one of gog and magog ( in a state of denial).

I don't understand why you keep on with Gog and Magog; as far as I know they were mentioned in the Bible which was written around 700 B.C.

Peoples migrated, waged wars etc much before then.

The Bible is not a historical account, it does not deal in facts, it deals in myths.

Originally posted by Belinquest

Whether the Muslim invaded the Visigoths or the Spaniards is irrelevant, the Crusades were a response to Muslim's expansionist threat.

And yet can you find a Crusade that the Jews weren't attacked? And who did the Vatican back in WW II? And has the Vatican recognized the Israel as a nation?

The Bible is not a historical account, it does not deal in facts, it deals in myths.

The Bible is a book of facts. The question is "do you have the faith to believe these facts?" The fact that the Bible deals in myths........IS A MYTH.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix


The Bible is a book of facts. The question is "do you have the faith to believe these facts?" The fact that the Bible deals in myths........IS A MYTH.

So you think the "Great Flood" and the "10 plagues" in Egypt were historical events?

Originally posted by Belinquest

So you think the "Great Flood" and the "10 plagues" in Egypt were historical events?

Absolutely. There is evidence of a flood in all the cultures of the world.

There is also archaeological evidence that a man named Joseph once was in charge of Egypt just like the Book says. There is also plenty of evidence that the Hebrews were in Egypt and left. Why were these slaves allowed to leave? The Bible is factually correct.

Originally posted by Belinquest

Originally posted by Sun Matrix


The Bible is a book of facts. The question is "do you have the faith to believe these facts?" The fact that the Bible deals in myths........IS A MYTH.

So you think the "Great Flood" and the "10 plagues" in Egypt were historical events?

I do, actually.

I think it probably happened due to natural (earthly) reasons, but it still happened.

some say the effects were from the eruption of the volcano situated near Santorini/Crete, Therra it was called.

To Sun Matrix: I too think prophecy is being fulfilled. I have reasoned that modern day Iraq could very well be Babylon. But perhaps it's not the entire Babylon, and we haven't seen 'anything yet'.

The Babylonian Empire did stretch into Syria and well into Iran. Therefore, any conflict with either, or both nations, would fall directly into "Babylon" territory. However, normally I dont look for prophecy to be fullfilled literally, ie; end-time Babylon being in the same place as early-time Babylon. But it seems the scriptures are pointing to this.

Check out the book "The Book of the Visions of Nahum" or some such, it's in the Bible, Old Testament, toward the end of it. In this he speaks of Nineveh, which was where modern day Nineveh province is in Iraq. He says that it will be split into three and its cracks will be severe. It reads quite judgemental and apocalyptic.

But until these developments, I had a feeling Babylon was USA, and to be specific New York City, where the seat of "World Government" is, the United Nations. However weak they are, it is Global .. and that is a requirement according to the text, that it be a seat of Global affairs. Iraq still fits this description, as the Oil for Food scandal was taken advantage of Globally.

If Iran and the USA did goto war, then it would convince me that Iraq is indeed part of Babylon, because Iran is one of those top oil-reserve nations aka wealthy nations and its within the borders of old the Babylonian Empire. But right now im on the fence.. 50/50, Iraq area or New York/USA.

For it to be New York or the U.S., some killer terror attacks would have to take place, with weapons of mass destruction etc. So in this case I hope that it is Iraq.

[edit on 5/17/2007 by runetang]

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Absolutely. There is evidence of a flood in all the cultures of the world.

There is also archaeological evidence that a man named Joseph once was in charge of Egypt just like the Book says. There is also plenty of evidence that the Hebrews were in Egypt and left. Why were these slaves allowed to leave? The Bible is factually correct.

The Egyptians whose literate culture goes back before the time of the flood had no story of a dangerous flood.

In 1853, near the ruins of the biblical Nineveh, clay tablets were discovered containing a flood story much older than the one in the Bible (Gen. 6:5-8:22.) Subsequent investigations have shown the Genesis account of the “Great Flood” and its hero, Noah, to be pure fiction. Much of the biblical story was plagiarized from older cultures such as Sumaria and Babylonia.

www.inu.net...


With regards to the "10 Plagues" The problem is that events such as these would have too large of an impact--politically, militarily, economically and socially, to have covered them up. Have you ever read the story of the Plagues and thought about the results in the society? Egypt would have been wiped off the map! The Ten Plagues could not have happened as recorded in the book of Exodus.

The ten plagues are found in a manuscript written in 1100 BC by a Egyptian monk mentioning the curses that came to Egypt because they did not heed an old sorcerer ( Moses) (The lamentations of Ersu) is the name of this manuscript it is on line.

All Egyptians vanished after Moses left because the curses CONTINUED.
After the loss of their army in the sea the Lybians who were other slaves became empowered and took over power in Egypt (the 20th dynasty) and they humiliated the Egyptians of Moses to complete annilation). That is why there was no reporter of the Exodus but the Israelites. Amazing