The Islamic Connection

Interesting in depth study on Islam and Catholicism. Very, very, interesting.

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So small planet and so much hate. All this demonization of Islam will lead to mass destruction, yet some are more concerned about selling DVDs with Bible interpretations.

Originally posted by detonator
So small planet and so much hate. All this demonization of Islam will lead to mass destruction, yet some are more concerned about selling DVDs with Bible interpretations.

Watch it in it's entirety and comment back, if you can disprove anything he presents.

I don't give a hoot about selling dvds or even promoting the man. In fact he's part of an organization, I wouldn't give you five cents for.

Yet and still. Truth is truth, no matter the vessel which brings it. Eat the meat and spit out the bones.

Islam is a total fraud. Used as a front. Anything Islam owns, Rome owns. Pretty easy to discern after looking at most of the puzzle.

[edit on 7-5-2007 by WiseSheep]

Let me quote Rowdy Wench from Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster:

"I heard a horse trainer say once that violence begins where knowledge ends. Humans have such a hard time being willing to see anything from an opposing view, or even just a different one. We, as a rule, cling to our beliefs as if they were truths, and the only truths at that. Real understanding and communication begin when we can really see someone else’s point of view even if we disagree with it."

I agree completely. If you disagree with someone you at least try to understand not to put more blame on them. This is how conflict starts.

A very interesting perspective indeed. I must admit to being fairly ignorant of the inner workings of organized religion, but plan on taking a much more studious approach to enlightening myself to this man's claims. I have always felt in my heart that there was something wrong with the major religions of the world and if this man is at all correct, he has placed his finger on that which I have always felt to be true in my heart.

I watched the full movie.

Allow me to say that the idea presented and the evidence to support is, shocking. I knew Catholicism was rotten, and I knew Islam was rotten, but I never suspected a connection between them.

This makes sense, but I'm not proclaiming it true. It's interesting..

The crescent being from Baal really shocked me personally. All those Muslims.. worshipping Baal .. damn. Thats alot of Baal worship.

it certainly makes you wonder if the catholics did not invent the muslim religion
wow would that ever blow a lot of minds
there never was any virgins waiting

but I knew that all along

I just finished watching part 1. About 50 minutes. Interesting stuff.

Unfortunately, I don't think that the burden is on the thread viewer to dispute the claims made in the video, but for anyone purporting that the video is accurate to help flesh out the claims that are made in the presentation.

Isolated images from churches does not support a claim. Quoting Pike and Rivera certainly doesn't help the claims. There is almost no display of causality that I have seen so far (and I'll try to watch the rest by tomorrow). There are some HUGE stretches that I would expect to see from Hislop or his ilk (and indirectly, they probably are).

It would be much more interesting and have more credence if there was any supporting documentation. Please let me know if there is any that I've missed!

Thanks for pointing it out. Despite it's logical flaws and often being specious, it is often interesting and does make some valid points.

Eric

Originally posted by WiseSheep
Interesting in depth study on Islam and Catholicism. Very, very, interesting.

Is there a text for this, as I can't load the video.

Originally posted by Chaoticar

Originally posted by WiseSheep
Interesting in depth study on Islam and Catholicism. Very, very, interesting.

Is there a text for this, as I can't load the video.

Nope. That's the second clip that had any real meaning, I've noticed being pulled from google video. Makes one wonder a bit.

Ok, this one appears to contain the same data, just a different speaker. I haven't previewed the entire thing to know, but oh well. It's nowhere near as good as the first. "Go to Google Video" and download the thing while it lasts.

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Catholism was the religion of the crusaders.
and the crusaders fought muslems and they were muslems worst nightmare till now.
So there can't be a connection.
However Protestanism took the war flag from Catholism and now we are witnessing the second crusade against muslims by the leadership of Protestanism. lead by evangelist ( a word derived from England because some Pop said about some Angli boys not angli but Angels.
So English people came to forfeit history by saying that England name from Engil-Land ie the land of Gospel while in reality England name come from Angle Land Angles being the second tribe of the Saxons ( goths ie gog and magog) Angle was actually a prominant Gothic tribe living on the shores of the Azov sea 300 BC (Enguls--An-gouls) the most horrible Goths ( Gog ) tribe they used to eat their enemies and their dead. Anglosaxons are the most pure tribe of the Gog and Magog ( more than the Germans) because they shared the Island with no body ( they killed every body on the Island) read Bede and Gildas on wiki.

The cresent is not an islamic symbol!
it was the war flag of the Ottoman empire ( red cresent in a yellow background) it meant we will encricle and bleed you) it did not mean moon or any thing.
Later in Ottoman empire rule they built huge mosques just like christian basilicas so some christians walked all the way in cities towerd the Mosques thinking it was a church, so the Sultan made an edit to differentiate mosques by putting a crecent on top of the dome .
This is the story of the crecent.
Islam forbids making any drawing to any thing created by God.
Secondly,

Allah name is very old dates back to Adam. If Muslems invented it then Islam is not the religion of God!
Allah name is found in the bible as El in GenesisHowever you don't need to pronounce it as El as jewish and christian priest might want to imply, since there was no vocalization in ancient hebrew and the word was simply AL.
Semitic languages don't double letters and they don't show A or Vocal letters and they also don't pronounce H at the end of a word, so El in the bible ( go to www.blueletterbible.org) you find el as AL, you can pronounce this AL as El or Ella or Alla or Allah or Ellah etc.
but only a semite knows it could only be Allah.
Pagan Arabs used to workip Goddesses equal to Goddesses like Venus, Athena, Ashtar, etc, but prophet destroyed their idols along with the religion of the Pagans.
This guy speaking as from his looks ( is a Goggite-one from Gog and Magog of the Evangelites : I just mentioned that England come from AnGoul tribe of the Gog not from Engil( gospel).
and he is ling a lot so much he can't take a breath.

islam, catholicism. both are enemies of humanity regardless of affiliation. just like protestentism and all the other varying christian sects, and all the other religions in the world (i'll give buddhism a bit of a pass). they are enemies of our greatest asset, REASON.

Originally posted by adnanmuf
evangelist ( a word derived from England because some Pop said about some Angli boys not angli but Angels.
So English people came to forfeit history by saying that England name from Engil-Land ie the land of Gospel while in reality England name come from Angle Land Angles being the second tribe of the Saxons ( goths ie gog and magog) Angle was actually a prominant Gothic tribe living on the shores of the Azov sea 300 BC (Enguls--An-gouls) the most horrible Goths ( Gog ) tribe they used to eat their enemies and their dead. Anglosaxons are the most pure tribe of the Gog and Magog ( more than the Germans) because they shared the Island with no body ( they killed every body on the Island) read Bede and Gildas on wiki.

That's complete and utter rubbish.

The word 'evangelist' is completely unrelated to the names 'England' or 'Angli'. I've never heard anyone claim that England is the land of the Gospel. The Angli were a completely separate tribe from the Saxons and the Goths, they came from the southern part of the Danish penisular not from around the Azov sea, have nothing whatsoever to do with the Gog and Magog of the Bible, neither did they kill everyone on this island, nowhere near - most people west of the Pennines mixed and where the hell do you think the Welsh, Cornish and Scottish folk came from for a start?
Sorry for straying off topic folks, but for the sake of denying ignorance I just had to.


Anyhow, I'm unable to download the video but I am very interested. Could someone please possibly give a brief outline of the key points and arguments? They are not clear from the discussion so far.
I have heard previously of a conspiracy theory that claims that Islam was an invention of the Catholic church, is that what this is about?




[edit on 13-5-2007 by skjalddis]

As far as the crusades gripe goes. A true christian would never kill one who refuses to convert, because it would end their chance at repentance. A true christian would do everything in his power to keep his enemies healthy to ensure they have as great of a chance as possible to find GOD.

One has to have an incredible lack of understanding to use any of that garbage against true christianity.

GOD himself allows the wickedness during this age so that just maybe people will repent. That's why both good and evil are allowed. The time is short though.

If GOD wanted his enemies dead during this age. He'd simply take their breath. He loves us wretched beings enough to give us a chance to change and seek him.

An incredible love that none can come even close to comprehending.

I don't know what non sense you are saying.
The christians ( evangelists and catholics along with jews) are killing the muslim iraqis now just like the first crusade.
You anglo saxons and Europeans are Gog and Magog end of the story ( including the evangelists the prophets of Gog)

Naw.....Just the prophesied judgment of Babylon

Judgement of New Babylon you mean, the harlot of nations of the Revelations

Didn't muslims launch a crusade of Europe before the crusades in the Middle East? Two of the most well known battles are the Battle of Toulouse and the Battle of Tours.