Video Surfaces Showing Kurdish Girl Stoned to Death for Relationship With Iraqi Sunni Boy

Originally posted by supercheetah
Good point. The narrated photo-montage of a movie Without Sanctuary shows how rather uncivilized the US was not so long ago. Oh, viewing on that site is free with Flash, BTW.

If I'm not mistaken, most (if not all) of these were criminals. (Press the "Click Here For More Information" link.) And we continue to take the lives of criminals today. (Although not publicly.)

Just because we did things differently a hundred years ago doesn't mean we were wrong. And just because we are in 2007 and "ultra-modern" doesn't mean necessarily mean we are any better then we were a hundred years ago either.

And what happened to this girl was despicable. I don't care what race or religion they were, it WAS WRONG.

I also heard that she was hiding at some friends scared for her life, but her mother (?) coaxed her out to their home and her father carried her into the street where they preceded to stone the poor girl.

I have a child myself, and I could NEVER see myself doing something like this. But I of course haven't had the upraising as these people have, but I feel the thought go against every fiber in my body.

I saw the whole movie through, and I'll admit I was in sorry shape after seeing it. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

religion aside, this video just goes to show how screwed up the middle east really is. where as if this would had happened in the west those responsible would be held accountable. Is there any indication that the local authority's will go after these perpetrators? This does infact happen all to often in the mideast. This video is why the west has its general view about islam(the so called religion of peace)and the mid east. If you dont have any law and order then you dont have in place the proper facilitys to treat such animals. The so called religion of peace is what has doomed the mid east...

Originally posted by hikix
Things like this is why its so easy to blame the islams on everything! You see these videos and you think they are capable of killing anyone and everything over religion. Thank god they are so dumb and living in the stone age or they might actually effect other parts of the world.... oh wait, dont they have nukes now? propaganda makes everything so confusing!

Just imagine if they could get there hands on a dirty bomb..These are some scary times we live in.

There was another stoning video doing the rounds at one time, so I don't really
need to watch this one.

Just Terrible.

These people are mentally ill!

Okay I think this video has just proved to me once and for all that I am, in fact not human. I cannot possibly belong to the same species as these creatures, I'm an alien on earth. It all makes sense now.

Absolutly terrible. As bad as it is, i think videos like this should be put out into mainsteam media for all to see, so they can get an idea of how messed up some of these people are. and to wonder, why arn't we stopping this? and it shows just how cruel religion is.

We need John Creasy for this one. Absolutly horrible.

I think you are missing the point as to why they did that.

Yes, I agree it is savage and disgusting to stone someone to death, but some people see it as disgusting for a woman who is to be a man's wife someday to be 'tainted'. What ever happened to 'stay pure until you're married'?

It is a very cut and dry mentality they have but our western media is no more brutal on our society. We promote our own people to live in 'sin' through our music, television and movies. It is not uncommon for our role models and the people our children look up to to have a licensed and legal 'sex tapes' out for the public to watch and BUY. The violence we portray as a road to wealth is disgusting. Heads of corporations lie, cheat and steal and nothing really happens...

In America we have been taught to hide behind Jesus and use him to do whatever we please because 'he will forgive us'. Jesus is the worst thing to happen to humanity because it gave people a reason to throw natural morals and decency completely out of the window. People should have learned to act right the FIRST time he died for the people's sins, I don't think he meant it to be a free-for-all pass for the rest of time.

My point is, all 'sins' or wrongs are equal, you can't pick and choose your poison. Hiding behind religious figures to 'forgive' us is a childish thing to do and the entire world needs to GROW UP. If you can't act like a HUMAN, then you might as well die like an animal.

-heat shield activated-


p.s I think it is HILARIOUS that Americans or anyone really can say how terrible these type of videos are but they will sit and watch them ALL DAY. Daniel Pearle's murder is another example. I didn't watch Pearle's beheading but definatley heard how disgusting people thought it was. I ask why, if they knew what it was going to be and knew it was going to be something horrible, did they even take the time to find it and watch it?


[edit on 5-5-2007 by Spoodily]

Originally posted by Spoodily
I think you are missing the point as to why they did that.....







[edit on 5-5-2007 by Spoodily]

I can only speak for myself but I can see exactly what they did.

That is: brutally murdered a helpless 17 year old girl due to some idiotic belief
best left to the stone age.

to theutahbigfoothunter:

Thank you for your most excellent display of courage to expose the underbelly of mankind.

Some will sit and argue it, some will philosophise it, some will pray for Jaysus's return, some will pass judgement, others will make political profit from it, but as for me I see this as natural selection in motion.

Anyone here remember "2001: A Space Oddity" where in the beginning one monkey kills another monkey and begins the whole process of "civilization"?

And when God returns His new name will be Deep Impact.

Originally posted by madhatter


I can only speak for myself but I can see exactly what they did.

So you stood by and watched just like the 'bloodthirsty' spectators in the crowd? Wether you were there or not, you still participated just by watching. No less guilty than the crowd gathered around.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I don't agree with stoning, it is simply awful but i will say this.

To all those that constantly use the word "animsls" in place of humans, well you disgust me quiet a lot. Different cultures have different customs, just becuase they don't fit in with your view doesn't mean you can call them animals. Yes there are limits to brutality and being human, but please, this is there way of dealing with it. No doubt they view your ideas as animalistic, maybe instead we should accept each other for what we are.

Sorry i just hate it when people call others animals in this kind of situation. It seems to suggest they are less than human, unthinking and uncaring. Be very careful with this kind of view.

OH MY F-ING GOD!!!!!!!!

You are more upset that some people here are calling those ANIMALS "animals", then the fact that some girl had rocks thrown at her untill she died!!!????!?!?!?!?

What the f is wrong with you pal! Ill scream it from the roof tops


ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 5/5/2007 by redseal]

Originally posted by redseal
OH MY F-ING GOD!!!!!!!!

You are more upset that some people here are calling those ANIMALS "animals", then the fact that some girl had rocks thrown at her untill she died!!!????!?!?!?!?

What the f is wrong with you pal! Ill scream it from the roof tops

[edit on 5/5/2007 by redseal]

you may wish to re read what i said because i beleive i said i didn't agree with this. I then went on to say i don't think it's correct to call another human being an animal in this particular situation. They may call us animals for our beliefs which one is correct? We are talking about perspective, from their view we are the animals. Of course someone like you will never see through that.

I will restate my point, i do not agree with stoning, i think it is wrong to do and that the legal system we have in the UK is far more civil, but it is how they wish to live, i would not call them animals for that.

What is wrong with me? Nothing mate i just disagree with you. I was not more upset that people called them animals than the girl dying, please don't twist my words. The girl died which is very very wrong. It is however their system.

I was also trying to point out hos dangerous it is to hold the view of them being animals, becuase as we have seen from some posts, they are calling for entire countries to be nuked by using this kind of video as an example. That worries me more than anything.

[edit on 5-5-2007 by ImaginaryReality1984]

that has absolutely got to be the worst thing i have EVER seen, yes i watched it....IN HORROR and DISBELIEF, as did all the other posters on this thread. those PARTICIPANTS ARE DISGUSTING ANIMALS, plain and simple!! oh yeah it`s their belief alright, they are morally bankrupt,as was hitler ,saddam hussein etc. and that`s just MY HONEST OPINION.
i say "kill em and stack em....let GOD sort them" sad day when we can justify that behavior .

[edit on 5-5-2007 by djski754]

Morally bankrupt? No just different morals to you.

Ws i disgusted by this, yes, was i horrifed, absolutely. Do i agree, god no.

I just think we need to allow them to have their law, hell they cut the hands off people in other countries and yet i often hear people in the UK say we shoudl do the same. I hear people say we should torture peadophiles and everyone thinks thats great.

If these people hold this as a high crime then it's the same thing.

Note before someone jumps on me, no i don't think we should let peadophiles off with anything, they should be locked up for life. Just prempting some idiot there.

Originally posted by Ambient Sound
Another senseless, brutal death brought to you by Islam, the Religion of Peace.

Yeah, it's a one liner but what more can be said?

I am truely ashamed and embarrassed that these animals are considered human.

Oh you critizised the great religion of the world. In my eyes Islam is not a religion but a evil cult. And is the most dangerious in the world. Thats another reason why I cannot ever return to Eygpt. Because I will not convert to Islam.

Islam has no regards to women at all they treat them like a animal. No matter if a girl is raped she will be killed because it dishonors her family. Anyone who preaches islamic jihad is a nut anyway. And I don't know this Allah if what I read and heard is correct Allah is a moon god.

And this girl who was murdered like a animal will not give those people who killed her glory or honor.

Stoning was a old custom for crimes commited. This wasn't stoning this was murder. They used those huge cement blocks. I say thats not a stone or a rock.

[edit on 5/5/2007 by Leyla]

Originally posted by DYepes

Maybe someone in your city is not being stoned. Perhaps they are being shot to death, poisoned, cut up and chopped to pieces. If you watch your local news, something like that probably happens at least once a month 50 miles from within where you live, if you live near or in an urban area.

How is that any different? What is the difference between someone who kills for no reason at all, and what these people are doing? Why does their crime warrant the destruction of their entire population, but if someone gets shot next door to you, you sure as hell hope noone drops a bomb on your neighborhood.

THINK FIRST, AND THEN ANALYZE YOUR EMOTIONS. LEARN TO MATURELY FORM YOUR OPINION ON A SUBJECT.

The difference is that the people in my community do not bring "MOB JUSTICE" down on teenagers whose only crime is loving another teenager. To call these people animals is slandering the animal kingdom. These people are evil personified and should be tried as criminals and given the same justice that they gave the little teenage girl.

"Oh, the poor Kurds. We must save them". That was the foolish cry.

They're animals. We should have left them with Saddam. Stupid Americans. They sit back and watch their TVs and never understand what it is to live in the third world. You cannot bring democracy to those people. They would not know what to do with it. Besides, democracy is not something to give. It must be won by the people themselves. Only then can it be appreciated.

10538

Originally posted by 10538
"Oh, the poor Kurds. We must save them". That was the foolish cry.

They're animals. We should have left them with Saddam.

And tell us should we label you together with the worst criminals that exist in your own country?....

How do you know they are all bad?....

Originally posted by 10538
Stupid Americans. They sit back and watch their TVs and never understand what it is to live in the third world.

How about you keep the insults for when you look yourself in the mirror?

Originally posted by 10538
You cannot bring democracy to those people. They would not know what to do with it. Besides, democracy is not something to give. It must be won by the people themselves. Only then can it be appreciated.

10538

Oh I see... I guess every country that participated on stopping Hitler's armies should just have stayed at home.... Or how about WWI?... maybe all countries should have gone on their own against their enemies... Perhaps you would be writting/speaking in Japanese or in German now if other countries hadn't gotten involved....

Democracy, and it's branches exists in most countries in the world because other countries helped...

Do yourself a favor and read about WWI and WWII whenever you get a chance....

Then some people claim "Americans are ignorant" when they themselves apparently know nothing of history....

[edit on 5-5-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by supercheetah

I'm not talking about taking away people's responsibility for their own actions. I'm talking about understanding the science of behavior, and the science of influence.

Influence only works on you if you decide to be influenced.

Originally posted by supercheetah
Yes, but someone told them that they are righteous in their actions. No person is immune to influence from the outside world, unless we all decide to lock ourselves into small boxes.

If that were true then all people in the Middle East would be like those who killed this girl, yet they are not.

One of the main problems of society these days is that people always want to claim "the fault is because of someone else"... but at the end, whatever decisions you make, it is up to you.

Originally posted by supercheetah
I didn't say that I was one of those people. I just said those people need to be praised (and also recognized). And yes, they are better than the flock. It's the person who jumps onto the tracks of an oncoming train to save someone when everyone else just stood by and watched. I'd like to see you claim that Jonathon Burbea in that article is no better than anyone else.

Jonathon Burbea is not better than any other regular person. He is a good man, and did a good deed, but that does not make him better than other regular citizens.

Just because some people are able to react under certain circumstances, it does not make them better than others. It would be like claiming some people are better as human beings than others because of their different skills.

What that man did makes him a brave person, and a good person, but not a better human than you or me. Unless you are some maniac murderer.

Originally posted by supercheetah
Now you're just contradicting yourself. So people's personality can't change? Once a criminal, always a criminal? Once a hero, always a hero? I'll admit that changing a person isn't easy, and some people may never change, but there are programs that reduce recidivism (and have the science to prove it), and society needs to try damn hard to change those who can be changed or continue to harbor criminals.

You are twisting what I said. Most criminals after spending time in prison, they go back to the same old criminal activities, some might change, but many criminals "decide" not to change, and instead keep blaming society, or their parents for the crimes they commit.

People do decide what their actions are going to be like, and those actions are what makes them good or evil.

Originally posted by supercheetah
I don't disagree with you on this, but to deny that people aren't influenced by the outside world is to deny that we're social creatures when all the evidence shows that we are very much social creatures. We can never deny the influence of peers, family, and environment, or else we must deny our own humanity.

On the contrary, being human is what defines us as the different people that we are, otherwise we would all be robots just going about mindlessly doing what everybody else is doing.

Being human we can decide whether we will let outside influences decide our actions, or whether we become stronger human beings by those experiences we have gone through.

Two people going through the same exact experience can do quite the oposite. The difference is in the decision of each one of those people to either let themselves be controlled irrationally by what they went through, or use those experiences to become stronger.

"What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger", except that there are people who instead of becoming stronger they let their past control them.

It is up to every person to decide whether they are going to be controlled by those experiences they went through, or whether they will learn from them and instead be stronger.

There are many people who live in societies that would instill criminals, yet not all these people decide to be criminals.

For example in the Middle East there are many tribes who are extremists, yet among them there are Muslims who decide to be moderate and not become murderers for what in many societes is considered as "normal".

Stoning people like what happened to the poor girl in the story in this thread is considered normal in some societies, yet not everyone living in those societies see it as normal. Many moderate Muslims have died at the hands of extremists because those moderate Muslims decide not to be murderers like the extremists are, and because these moderate Muslims decide not to follow the extremist path they are murdered by Islamic extremists who claim the moderates are not following Mohammed and Allah's wishes.

People decide their own actions. This tendency of blaming societies only makes it worse because it gives criminals an excuse to keep committing crimes, and instead of blaming themselves for their actions, society, or parents, or some other outside influences are blamed.

That is one of the biggest reasons why there are more criminals in this day and age.


[edit on 6-5-2007 by Muaddib]