Video Surfaces Showing Kurdish Girl Stoned to Death for Relationship With Iraqi Sunni Boy

Things like this is why its so easy to blame the islams on everything! You see these videos and you think they are capable of killing anyone and everything over religion. Thank god they are so dumb and living in the stone age or they might actually effect other parts of the world.... oh wait, dont they have nukes now? propaganda makes everything so confusing!

That truly makes me sick to my stomach!!!! Watching this stuff makes me so angry and sad at the same time that people can act this way. I can't believe that stuff like this still continues to happen in this day and age. It is repulsive behavior, and something that is unforgiveable.

OMG
poor little girl
those people are ANIMALS!!!!
:/ those guys are really dumb, sunni, kurdish, so what?
in the end...we are ALL humans right?

This is discusting, absolutely horrid.

But, lets not rush to blame this on Islam okay. These people are clearly not practicing the Islamic faith performing actions such as this, and as with Christianity of old, these people have been severely brainwashed to fight one another.

Islam is a religion of peace. Ive read the Qu'ran, and have many muslim friends who are studied in Islam, and this is not the way a true muslim acts. Islam teaches peace, forgiveness, gratitude, it never teaches any of these things such as hate, violence, murder, in any form.

Radical muslims dont make up the majority. Unfortunately, in an environment which is bathed in evil and negativity, it is bound to spread to the people.

People have to remember, for hundreds of years, Protestants and Catholics were slaughtering each other in the streets of Europe, but no one ever denounced the Christian faith for these actions.

Islam, Christianity, Judaism, religion in general, in its ideals, is great. We need religion, religion is a good thing and has been the guide and strength of countless millions of people during their most desperate times, to deny the positive side of religion is ludicrous.

But, for the radical few who take religion to the extreme and kill and be evil in the name of religion, dont you see, these people arent religious at all. They are using the cover of religion to justify their evil actions. There is nothing religious about stoning people to death, and Islamic teachings never for one second condones that.

So, this is bad no doubt. Muslim Scholars and Elitists educated in places like Oxford and such have been responsible for using the Shiite Sunni divide and rule technique, by giving supposed references condoning violence in the Quran, and saying you must kill others. They dont give a damn about the true teachings of Islam, they want to divide and rule the people for their aristocratic controllers in the West, thats what its about, and this whole War on Terrorism is just the cover given to openly expand into the Middle East.

Just like in times past, Christian leaders quotes verses from the Bible to justify evil killings and plundering of entire lands.

Hell, today we havent evolved that much, we have replaced religion with NATIONALISM as an excuse for slaughtering people and plundering other lands.

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Originally posted by Ambient Sound
Another senseless, brutal death brought to you by Islam, the Religion of Peace.

Yeah, it's a one liner but what more can be said?

I am truely ashamed and embarrassed that these animals are considered human.

Actually, they are Yezidi, not Muslim.

In an event after this, in retaliation, a bunch of Muslim men stopped a bus full of Yezidi and Christians and ordered the Christians off the bus - then summarily executed all the Yezidi.

All the same over there regardless, barbarians.

Originally posted by Majic

And on that note, truly devout Jews will stone adulterers to death as commanded by God (see Leviticus and Deuteronomy), so maybe we should blame God or the Jews for their pioneering work in the field of stoning people to death.

When was the last time that happened, for real?

Certainly, there is no shortage of stonings in the name of Islam these days, but -- unless these news reports are patently false -- to lay this particular case at the feet of Muslims would be grossly unjust.

True.

The backstory to this is that the religious minority has been "successfully" targeted very recently for all sorts of terrorist atrocities by al-Qaeda and similar ilk. No justification whatsoever, but it does explain things. (What's of course sicker is that the girl was targeted---as a 'traitor' can be hated even worse than an enemy.)

Around there is ethnic rivalry (Arab vs Kurdish, over of course oil), and the al-Qaeda fanatic types seize on this religious difference in a minority to justify their ethnic hatreds.

A whole lot a hatin going on.

Yeah, its wrong. Badly wrong.

However - isn't it less than a hundred years since people in the deep south of the wonderfully enlightend US were "whippin an 'a hangin' dumb ass niggas" (language used in context) because the colour of their skin was different and they were perceived to be inferior? I'd wager several stonings went on as well,

I distinctly remember several killings in Ireland, and a whole slew of "revenge attacks" during the troubles where Catholic and Protestant people in relationships were singled out as traitors to their "religion".

Go back a bit further and look at the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades for some really, really grusome takes on what our "civilised" western religions were capable of. Burning alive, death on the rack, the iron maiden.....

Someone earlier pointed out that education in human rights is a key here, not bombs, and they are right.

Yes, these people have a very very wrong take on this stuff - but thats the way its always been done for them. We were the same - even into the last 50/60 years.

Its certainly not right on a humanitarian level from our current standpoint but we have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight from our OWN barbarity to look back on and judge with.

And - please think about this those of you calling for nuking a region because of the actions of a few - wouldn't throwing one big atomic stone and wiping out a large area make us just as bad as what we are condeming?

Education is the key, not more violence.

Bomb them with porno magazines until they get over their obsessions.
Bad education and wrong understanding about what religion is, results in what is seen in that video.

Apocalypse now please!

What a thoroughly abhorrent race us humans have turned out to be.

I didn't click on the video link, I'm get too upset at stuff like this. But I one thing I will say is that the internet can only get more and more hardcore.

Very sad - I believe Voltaire summed it up perfectly with:

---Earth is an insane asylum, to which the rest of the universe deport their lunatics."

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The sooner we rid this planet of this vile cancer of hatred and violence the better.

Her pain was caused because of love for another human being - how terribly sad.

Its one thing to cause pain and suffering from greed, totally wrong for sure, but its a replay time and time again. But to kill another human being because they loved another? How sick and twisted these people have become.

Here I am about to go out on a Saturday night with the wife to a restaurant for dinner. Good food, good company and good times.

At least I can go out with my wife (mixed marriage) safely and securely - how lucky are we to be living in a western society.

Originally posted by neformore
However - isn't it less than a hundred years since people in the deep south of the wonderfully enlightend US were "whippin an 'a hangin' dumb ass niggas" (language used in context) because the colour of their skin was different and they were perceived to be inferior? I'd wager several stonings went on as well,

Good point. The narrated photo-montage of a movie Without Sanctuary shows how rather uncivilized the US was not so long ago. Oh, viewing on that site is free with Flash, BTW.

Originally posted by supercheetah

Nope, sorry. I hate to break your bubble, but most people are a product of the society around them or else Iraq wouldn't be in the mess it's in right now. Phillip Zimbardo showed this quite well with his Stanford prison experiment.

That is an excuse given by those who do not want to accept they are responsible for their actions.

Every person is responsible for their own actions, nomatter what happened in their lives.

Iraq is in the mess it is now because there are terrorists/insurgetns who want to take advantage of what is happening there to take control of Iraq...

Insurgent/terrorists are not "fighting for the Iraqi people".... Insurgent/terrorists have killed more Iraqis than coalition forces...

Nobody was puting a gun in the heads of the terrorists/insurgents when they bombed the poll stations in Iraq trying to stop the Iraqis that wanted to vote....

Nobody is puting a gun on the head of the insurgents/terrorists who are bombing civilians and killing them with impunity.

Sorry to break your bubble but at the end we define who we are by our actions.

Originally posted by supercheetah
This isn't to say that people aren't responsible for their own actions. Quite the opposite. People who can rise above social pressures and be better than the flock should be praised (we don't do this enough).

"Better than the flock should be praised"?... There are some members, and other people who actually think like you do... Apparently you think you are better than what you call "the flock".... Well, again, sorry to break your bubble but neither you, me, nor anyone else is better than what you call "the flock"....

i am not talking about "criminals" who delight in committing murder or such. You are, like so many members around here, dumping everyone good and bad together and "claiming" without saying so that "you are better than they are"...yet you are not.

Originally posted by supercheetah
Those that succumb to the criminal elements of society should be locked away to prevent the infection of their psychology to others in society, and they should be psychologically treated so that they don't get released back into society with those same criminal tendencies or even worse tendencies, as our prison system tends to produce.

Normally when a person decides to be a certain way, nomatter how much "psychological treatment" they go through they will not change unless they really want to, and unfortunately more often than not people don't change their criminal paths.

Originally posted by supercheetah
As of right now, many of our prisons don't do any psychological treatment of any kind, and many inmates even become influenced by the more violent inmates. And then we're surprised by the high recidivism rates of released felons.

Sorry about the tangent.

Nomatter the situation a person is in, ultimately the person is the one who makes the choice....

Again, trying to blame, your parents because they beat you, the bullies that harrased you and beat you, being put in prison for whatever reason, etc....at the end every person decides who and what they are going to do.

Iam a Muslim who lives in egypt, and i must say that this happens much more often than i would like to believe. In uncivilized places, acts like these are condoned and even encouraged. As disgusting as this sounds fathers in these places that are constraint by old cultural values are tempted to do this just to not look like a fool in front of others. Here we have many movies done about these people and how they operate and they are the majority that live in rugged areas. Now to point out any misjudgments, remember that this is more of a cultural thing and not religious, in fact its sometimes hard for an outbound person to know the difference but there is.
When islam first appeared in the middle ages it cleansed the region. fathers were burying their newborn baby daughters alive just because they rather have had a boy instead- islam put a halt on that. slavery was widespread- islam also stopped that. etc. and even hard to believe islam treated women equally and with way much more respect. A high-level islamic leader at the time was said to be taking in his wife's excessive ranting(ordering him around). He justified his endurance to his bossy wife by saying that even though she can be harsh he said that she does alot for his well-being and that it wont hurt if he helps her around the house as a means of thanking her.

And to show u the difference between culture and religion. we got here women who scream and display sorrow in very expressive ways (probably seen that on tv) when in fact it is discouraged by islam because it causes distress to the dead. grief should be handled quietly with meditation-like and instead a person should pray for the dead so as to secure his trip to heaven.

So Islam shouldn't be the culprit here. and many muslims are as confused as u guys are at why people do such horrible acts.






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QFT all of it. Respect.



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Originally posted by _Phoenix_

i don't care if the girl was from the north pole, i certainly know what holy book those murdering b-sards follow.

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PLEASE do tell me what book they follow, please do.

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erm paddington bear?

Absolutely disgusting is all I can say.

The Taliban as I understand made this same practice very common during their rain of terror. I assume it must be because men consider the female gender as subservient to men.

One can assume the ten commandments is one of the parts of the bible that muslims do not believe in

Neformore and DYepes are on point.

The "nuke em" crowd is absolutely hilarious. Where's your outrage for kids having their skin fried from US bombs in Iraq? Where are your calls to nuke the US?

Where's your outrage for the terrorist acts of the Klan? Where are your calls to nuke the southern US?

Where's your outrage for the Yates woman who drowned all FIVE of her kids? Her own kids. Where are your calls to nuke Texas?

By this logic, you rabid mushroom cloud fanatics would want ME to be nuked for NO REASON, just because the Yates woman killed her kids in Texas. I had NOTHING to do with that barbarian, but y'all would want me turned into a shadow.

And y'all have the nerve to cry "outrage" at this video? Wow; newsflash, this is REALITY. As has been said before, stuff like this and worse happens all the time.

What happens when you nuke an entire region whenever a video like this surfaces?



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Originally posted by Muaddib
That is an excuse given by those who do not want to accept they are responsible for their actions.

Every person is responsible for their own actions, nomatter what happened in their lives.

I'm not talking about taking away people's responsibility for their own actions. I'm talking about understanding the science of behavior, and the science of influence.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Iraq is in the mess it is now because there are terrorists/insurgetns who want to take advantage of what is happening there to take control of Iraq...

Insurgent/terrorists are not "fighting for the Iraqi people".... Insurgent/terrorists have killed more Iraqis than coalition forces...

Nobody was puting a gun in the heads of the terrorists/insurgents when they bombed the poll stations in Iraq trying to stop the Iraqis that wanted to vote....

Nobody is puting a gun on the head of the insurgents/terrorists who are bombing civilians and killing them with impunity.

Sorry to break your bubble but at the end we define who we are by our actions.

Yes, but someone told them that they are righteous in their actions. No person is immune to influence from the outside world, unless we all decide to lock ourselves into small boxes.

Originally posted by Muaddib
"Better than the flock should be praised"?... There are some members, and other people who actually think like you do... Apparently you think you are better than what you call "the flock".... Well, again, sorry to break your bubble but neither you, me, nor anyone else is better than what you call "the flock"....

i am not talking about "criminals" who delight in committing murder or such. You are, like so many members around here, dumping everyone good and bad together and "claiming" without saying so that "you are better than they are"...yet you are not.

I didn't say that I was one of those people. I just said those people need to be praised (and also recognized). And yes, they are better than the flock. It's the person who jumps onto the tracks of an oncoming train to save someone when everyone else just stood by and watched. I'd like to see you claim that Jonathon Burbea in that article is no better than anyone else.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Normally when a person decides to be a certain way, nomatter how much "psychological treatment" they go through they will not change unless they really want to, and unfortunately more often than not people don't change their criminal paths.

Now you're just contradicting yourself. So people's personality can't change? Once a criminal, always a criminal? Once a hero, always a hero? I'll admit that changing a person isn't easy, and some people may never change, but there are programs that reduce recidivism (and have the science to prove it), and society needs to try damn hard to change those who can be changed or continue to harbor criminals.

Originally posted by Muaddib
Nomatter the situation a person is in, ultimately the person is the one who makes the choice....

Again, trying to blame, your parents because they beat you, the bullies that harrased you and beat you, being put in prison for whatever reason, etc....at the end every person decides who and what they are going to do.

I don't disagree with you on this, but to deny that people aren't influenced by the outside world is to deny that we're social creatures when all the evidence shows that we are very much social creatures. We can never deny the influence of peers, family, and environment, or else we must deny our own humanity.

Originally posted by shots
Absolutely disgusting is all I can say.

The Taliban as I understand made this same practice very common during their rain of terror. I assume it must be because men consider the female gender as subservient to men.

One can assume the ten commandments is one of the parts of the bible that muslims do not believe in

The Jews believe in the Ten Commandments, but a lot of their laws (which are contained in the Torah, or the first five books of the Old Testament) require stoning as punishment for violating those laws. A man caught lying with a man? He must be stoned. An adulterous woman must be stoned.

Leviticus

19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
19:12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death:
19:13 There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount
...
20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
...
24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy

21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

There's many more for anyone that cares to actually check. Jews, for the most part, don't do these things any more, but still.