Honor killing of young girl in Iraq caught on video

This really is very sad. I saw some of the clips, they must have been after the initial attack because she was just laying on the ground, face up. Her face was a bloody mess, literally. The video cut off before the last rock that finally killed her, was thrown into her face.
very sad, I hope someone takes her father and buries him up to his head in the desert.

Originally posted by laiguana
Well since it's Islam I'm not surprised. Islam is pure evil, it encourages hate against everyone including their own family members. Is it any wonder why most of the Islamic world is at war? But I'm sure there will be muslim apologists that will end up blaming the U.S. somehow for honor killings as well.

Its a cultural thing, not a religious thing.

LINK

In Muslim majority countries

Honor killing is forbidden in mainstream interpretations of Islam.[11] There is no specific mention of the practice in the Qur'an or Hadiths except in so far as the custom of killing baby girls to protect the family honor, which is specifically condemned in the Qur'an, was a form of honor killing. An honor killing refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against the woman, and it is often argued that this is technically forbidden by the Sharia (Islamic law). Some modern Islamic religious authorities and Muslims disagree with extra-legal punishments such as honor killing and prohibit it, since they consider the practice to be a cultural issue.[12] They believe that since certain pre-Islamic cultures have influence over a number of Muslims, murderers of females use Islam to justify honor killing, even though there is no support for the act in the religion itself. The death penalty cannot always be applied in the Sharia as murders are a type of "qisas" ("retaliation") crime. This means that the deceased's family should be offered the choice of capital punishment or "diya" ("blood money") and no execution can take place without them opting for death. Because a relative(s) is usually responsible for the honor killing, it is unlikely that the deceased's family will punish one of their own for the crime.[13]. However other punishments can be legislated and the murderer cannot pardon himself [7].

Gotta love ignorance, eh?

edit: emphasis mine

[edit on 5-5-2007 by john_bmth]

[edit on 5-5-2007 by john_bmth]

I think you are missing the point as to why they did that.

Yes, I agree it is savage and disgusting to stone someone to death, but some people see it as disgusting for a woman who is to be a man's wife someday to be 'tainted'. What ever happened to 'stay pure until you're married'?

It is a very cut and dry mentality they have but our western media is no more brutal on our society. We promote our own people to live in 'sin' through our music, television and movies. It is not uncommon for our role models and the people our children look up to to have a licensed and legal 'sex tapes' out for the public to watch and BUY. The violence we portray as a road to wealth is disgusting. Heads of corporations lie, cheat and steal and nothing really happens...

In America we have been taught to hide behind Jesus and use him to do whatever we please because 'he will forgive us'. Jesus is the worst thing to happen to humanity because it gave people a reason to throw natural morals and decency completely out of the window. People should have learned to act right the FIRST time he died for the people's sins, I don't think he meant it to be a free-for-all pass for the rest of time.

My point is, all 'sins' or wrongs are equal, you can't pick and choose your poison. Hiding behind religious figures to 'forgive' us is a childish thing to do and the entire world needs to GROW UP. If you can't act like a HUMAN, then you might as well die like an animal.

-heat shield activated-


p.s I think it is HILARIOUS that Americans or anyone really can say how terrible these type of videos are but they will sit and watch them ALL DAY. Daniel Pearle's murder is another example. I didn't watch Pearle's beheading but definatley heard how disgusting people thought it was. I ask why, if they knew what it was going to be and knew it was going to be something horrible, did they even take the time to find it and watch it?

It doesnt make any difference if it is cultural or legal. Theyre the ones that justify stoning and they use Islam law to do that.
Yes I do understand that it isnt called for in the Koran but it is still done in the name of Islam. Just like people of other religions will do things in the name of "God" even if there is no mention of doing what they are doing in the Bible or Koran, or w/e religion it is said to be done for.
All the arguing over religion vs cultural reasons really dont matter. If you ask me, what matters is she died because she loved someone that was of the "wrong religion"
As a father myself, I could not ever imagine turning my lil girl over to bastards like this, much less participating in it. I hope the boy who she loved, is the son of a leader in a Sunni Death Squad. I hope they go to that village and kidnap every male that participated and chain them to a spike in the ground and stone all of them, starting with the girls father.




[edit on 5-5-2007 by Kr0n0s]

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
It doesnt make any difference if it is cultural or legal. Theyre the ones that justify stoning and they use Islam law to do that.

Which Islam Law?

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Yes I do understand that it isnt called for in the Koran but it is still done in the name of Islam.

If it isnt called for in the Holy Quran, how is still be done in the name of Islam. The teaching of Islam is based on Holy Quran and Hadith.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Just like people of other religions will do things in the name of "God" even if there is no mention of doing what they are doing in the Bible or Koran, or w/e religion it is said to be done for.

The Roman Empire priests did that. The Catholic Church did that. The pope chose to call the crusade in the name of God, in the first place.

The Muslim has better record system with Holy Quran. After Muhammad, The Caliph Abu Bakar, had make everything in his power to ensure the Holy Quran and Hadiths are well preserved. The Holy Quran we seeing now is the same Holy Quran during Muhammad.

The Bible?

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
All the arguing over religion vs cultural reasons really dont matter. If you ask me, what matters is she died because she loved someone that was of the "wrong religion"
As a father myself, I could not ever imagine turning my lil girl over to bastards like this, much less participating in it. I hope the boy who she loved, is the son of a leader in a Sunni Death Squad. I hope they go to that village and kidnap every male that participated and chain them to a spike in the ground and stone all of them, starting with the girls father.

Yes I agree with you. I hope there some sort of harsh punishment to the criminals. Maybe the OIC should do something about this so-called "honor killing" But then again OIC is just a loosely Islamic Organization, unlike UN. It will take times to educate "those dark ages" people.





[edit on 5-5-2007 by EasternShadow]

In my opinion if theyre yelling Allah Akbar when commiting an act, theyre doing it in the name of Islam, regardless if in the Koran or not. I know there wasnt sound on the video.
Also, it doesnt make any difference about the christians and the crusades and inquisition because that isnt what we are talking about. It is no secret to me, that sevreal thousand people have died while trying to force the christian beliefs on people but thats a topic for another day.
Instead of talking about what they did to this poor girl and what could be done to stop this kind of brutality you want to nitpick inisignificant parts of my post.
So Ill post what I find by doing a simple search.

Stoning is a legal sentence for certain activities deemed criminal in some (but not all) of the Islamic countries governed by Sharia law [1], including the following:

United Arab Emirates: Fujairah Shariah court orders man to be stoned to death for adultery - 11th of June 2006

Laws


There are several postings regarding Sharia inerpretations of Islam you can read them yourself if you choose.
just do the search in wiki if you want.
One more thing, i never said that it was In the Koran, I said that they do it in the name of Islam, its all how they interpret whats being read.
Anyway, sorry for the ramblings lol.
I wont waste anymore time on this thread, not on that topic anyway.
Hope all is having a good day. As for me, Ive been mostly packing all day
and getting ready to move.

peace

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
In my opinion if theyre yelling Allah Akbar when commiting an act, theyre doing it in the name of Islam, regardless if in the Koran or not. I know there wasnt sound on the video.

Allah Akhbar simply mean God Almighty. Anyone can say that. It's doesn't prove anything in the name of Islam. Even you can shout it.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Also, it doesnt make any difference about the christians and the crusades and inquisition because that isnt what we are talking about. It is no secret to me, that sevreal thousand people have died while trying to force the christian beliefs on people but thats a topic for another day.
Instead of talking about what they did to this poor girl and what could be done to stop this kind of brutality you want to nitpick inisignificant parts of my post.

Sorry about that but I'm not the one that start to relate this to Islam.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
So Ill post what I find by doing a simple search.

Stoning is a legal sentence for certain activities deemed criminal in some (but not all) of the Islamic countries governed by Sharia law [1], including the following:

United Arab Emirates: Fujairah Shariah court orders man to be stoned to death for adultery - 11th of June 2006

Laws


There are several postings regarding Sharia inerpretations of Islam you can read them yourself if you choose.
just do the search in wiki if you want.

It's Sharia Law. Sharia Law base on human interpretation. Some people can agree while some people don't which is why NOT ALL ISLAMIC COUNTRIES agree with it.

The US and most other countries allow prostitution base on their Constitutional Law but most countries also forbid prostitution. It's the same things. It's all human interpretation.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
One more thing, i never said that it was In the Koran, I said that they do it in the name of Islam, its all how they interpret whats being read.

I remain disagree with you there.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Anyway, sorry for the ramblings lol.
I wont waste anymore time on this thread, not on that topic anyway.
Hope all is having a good day. As for me, Ive been mostly packing all day
and getting ready to move.

peace

Yeah. Me too.

Good luck to you.

Look anyone whos studied Islam, and has real muslim friends, KNOW that Islam is a religion of peace. Its just that simple.

And these real muslims will be the FIRST ONES TO TELL YOU that the actions commited by these radicals are NOT that of Allah and the Prophet Mohammed, and NOT that of Islam.

To brand the entire religion of Islam as evil is absolutely positively stupid!

We can say the same things for every single race, every single religion, every single organization...because there are always a small minority of people in any place who are twisted and seek to harm.

So why dont we call everyone evil, and get it over with. See how ridiculous it is?

Like I said before no matter what the religion these honor killing is wrong!!This is the thing that really gets under my skin. This isn't the stone age. People mess up they make mistakes but for crying out loud do they have to die for it? Thats why we have laws for people to follow them instead of taking the law in their own hands. I don't care what the old customs are. If your going to be a christian thats ok if your going to be a muslim thats ok just make sure you make sense of what your reading and don't corrupt it with your own thoughts. Next time anyone think its ok to kill someone because they dishonored you, you better think again. Because this makes me mad to no end. It makes me sick that people think their so perfect that when someone make a mistake that entitles them to kill them. Life is so much more valuable then honor and pride. Theres no excuse to condone this type of behavior.

The only ones condoning this and other astrocities of the like by large is the muslim community. Or they just blame it on something/someone else....

Originally posted by laiguana
The only ones condoning this and other astrocities of the like by large is the muslim community. Or they just blame it on something/someone else....

Very odd huh? Why do they do that anyway? I have several muslim friends in Cairo but my friend failed to mention the real deal about a honor death in Alexsandra he just brushed it off calling the man crazy. So in short they cover up things that others do. Or they blame the extremists. Like when Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the serpent.

Just like this terror plot foiled today in NJ. By guess who? Our perfect Isalmic friends. I'm sorry if anyone can explain this to me by all means please do. Isalm is supposed to be a religion of peace. How can we embrace that when all we hear is Isalmic sleeper cells in our country ready to attack? Or 6 men almost infiltrated a US base to attack it?

Due to a request lastnight I did email my friend in Egypt this morning still no reply. My impression now is that I angered him and he refuses to have contact with me because I refused to convert to Islam because I'm a Christian. So in short if I do return to Egypt I could very well end up like that 17 year old girl.

Originally posted by laiguana
The only ones condoning this and other astrocities of the like by large is the muslim community. Or they just blame it on something/someone else....

Please list one Muslim member here who condoned it. You said "they just blame it on something/someone else," could that possibly be because the group that committed this act is not Muslim?

You put forth two stances in your statement that shows the true nature of your attitude:

1. You say that Muslims condone it.

2. If they don't condone it, you say they blame it on another group.

Because the woman who was slaughter was a Muslim, you seem to relate this incident to Muslim's doing, when in fact, it was a crime committed against a Muslim, from people who hate Muslims. Rather than blaming them, you blame the Muslims themselves.

Instead of setting yourself up to a double-edged sword mentality, why not look at what really happened, rather than using this as a means to spread ignorance?

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
In my opinion if theyre yelling Allah Akbar when commiting an act, theyre doing it in the name of Islam, regardless if in the Koran or not.

They're from the Yazidi religion, none of them were Muslim, but the woman who was murdered.

Allah is not the name of the Muslim God, but rather Arabic for "The God." The term "Allah" is used by Christians and Jews who are native Arabs, in place of "God" as well, in the Middle East.

[edit on 8-5-2007 by DJMessiah]

Congrats DJMessiah, at least someone (you) is actually researching this rationally.

This wasn't a Muslim act... it was however an act against a Muslim.

I'm not one to typically defend a religion, I believe you reap what you deserve, and in most cases, religion is on the blade edge of that... but in this case, no. It wasn't a Muslim act, so you cannot pin blame on the Muslims. If anything, if you know the facts, and aren't an ignorant hick, you should actually feel sorry for the Muslims...

... but, many of you in this case have proven your ignorance, and unwillingness to look into the information at hand... and in turn, simply go on a hate rampage against the Muslims.

With that being said, I'm willing to bet the Muslim bashers are Christian... if you are Christian, I suggest you re-read your own religious text... you know, the part of the bible that tells you NOT TO JUDGE.

Before the haters jump in with what I know they will attempt, I'm not religious, meaning, I don't believe there is a god to judge for me, hence I have to make judgements myself. But your own religion tells you you aren't allowed to do that yourself... don't flame me, flame your own religion for that one.

Like I said, I despise all religions, because they usually deserve it... but in this rare case, it's a cultural thing, not a religious thing.

[edit on 9-5-2007 by johnsky]

Jordanian Journalist Breaks Taboos Campaigning Against Violence

Dua Khalil is stoned to death in Iraq for being seen with a man of another religion. A woman is shot dead in Jordan after her photo appears on her brother's friend's cellphone. Muqadas Bibi's throat and those of her young sisters are slit by her stepfather in Pakistan after she leaves her abusive husband. Every year, across religious and national boundaries, around 5,000 women and girls are murdered by family members in so-called honor killings. "There is nothing honorable in these crimes," says Rana Husseini, award-winning Jordanian journalist and author of the forthcoming Murder in the Name of Honor, who has dedicated her career to exposing and fighting such crimes.

Hi

I'm a Muslim and I do think maybe it’s wrong to tarnish all Muslims with the same brush so to speak. But as a Muslim I have to say something that disturbs me. Muslims who run to attack when these things are brought to their attention or act so defensively make a mockery of the atrocities done in our name.

I was watching a youtube video of a Taliban man beating a woman. Lots of non Muslims were condemning it as was expected but I found our reaction difficult. You see we were so busy defending our self’s that we didn't see that a woman was being beating. I didn't hear one 'This is wrong, Muslims are doing it they are wrong'. All I saw as woman was a woman getting beating it could have been me. Some non Muslims used this to beat us with others genuinely hated what they were seeing, and do you know what I was happy that they were too. Unlike my fellow Muslims who are so busy cultivating a western friendly image of Muslims rather than actually seeing the horror in front of their eyes.

We care more that the West sees us as wonderful, than actually looking introspectively and acknowledging things need to change. For crying out loud Princess Noor of Jordan tried to appeal the rules allowing honour killing in Jordan (A westernised country) but was stopped by mass protests in Jordan.

Practically all Muslim countries allow merciful sentencing for people accused with an 'Honour Killing' if the case ever got to court. This is the truth. It is not Islam under fire. Islam is beyond such things. It is Muslims. It is me.

As Muslims we get more aggrieved at crimes in 'Palestine'. Sympathy which is greatly exaggerated in comparison to other conflicts or more importantly crimes against women within our own community. If we shout just as loudly for what is happening within our community than we do with perceived greater crimes outside I can see people looking at us with an open mind.

Instead of saying in this horrible case ‘Oh these were not Muslim’ we could say ‘This is wrong this is also something that is in our culture than needs changing.

Stoning is allowed in our Sharia (This was a common form of punishment for all religions Jewish and Christian). Why lie and say these things are not allowed. We can say the interpretation is wrong but we can’t say it’s not there. I know that I have been accused of being a non Muslim because I disagreed with hudood punishments.
Which proves people adhere to them and believe them to be part of Islam.

This video made me cry.

I for one am glad the links are down! Being a father myself I could not bring myself to watch something like this.....it is beyond evil.When are we as a human race going to wake up and realize that organized religions are one of the many roots of all evil in this world.We need to start coming together to stop this madness as well as stop these sick and twisted leaders of all of our governments not just the U.S. I am very sad for our human race.

I would like to have seen it, but I understand why they were pulled. I am generally against censorship though, so I wish YouTube had a method of more stringent security measures that would allow adults to view material. ATS is a more "general-audience" site though.

And just to ring in here with my own personal experience, I have known two young women right here in America who were murdered by their families in an "honor" killing, and a third has disappeared.

One came from a Catholic Italian family. The second known victim, and the girl who went missing years ago now, came from non-religious Albanian families.

[edit on 6/5/0808 by jackinthebox]

My story is somewhat similar. My Father would have killed me because his own nephew molested me as a VERY young child. I was eventually put in the foster-care system as a result of physical and sexual abuse from my family who migrated to the U.S. from Yemen. The courts were attempting to reconcile the relationship between my parents & I, and subsequently return me to their custody. What they didn't understand is that I was pleading for my life and returning home was never an option. Ultimately, it took many years to get anyone to believe that my parents would kill me.

How could a parent want to murder their child..were only some of the responses I got when I finally brought myself to come out with the truth and seek help. While in the system and before I became a court ward, I was put in a psychiatric facility per my parents request. They claimed I was crazy and the notion that my parents were trying to kill me was difficult for others to believe. Others who essentially held my fate in their hands and could not understand their next move would determine whether I would live or die.

They say when your in the system that your just a number, but I was fortunate enough to meet people along the way who came to show their support at every court hearing. The woman who later became my guardian, caught my social worker taking money outside of the court house after a hearing one day. I was too young to understand, but later found out my father was paying the social worker to get his way. Ultimately, the social worker was fired and replaced by a worker who had my best interest at heart.

Most people can not begin to understand what these innocent women are going through. My situation was prolonged and I was in grave danger for far too long because no one would believe me. Throughout this whole ordeal, I vowed to die by my own hands before my Father could kill me if returning home was my only option. Luckily the truth came out and I was fortunate enough to be saved, which almost never happens in situations such as this. Today, I try to educate everyone I possibly can to help others from going through the same thing. Thank you for educating others as well.

all im saying is if she hadnt been so stupid and gone off with some boy when she knew what her family would do then none of this would of happened. she was a little slag who wanted to get laid andcouldnt wait till she got married. i wish id of been there i would of thrown one on her myself. silly cow. i hope she rots in hell.