Einstein was right: space and time bend

Yep, science, just justifies things on a physical level, while spirituality gives you science on another level.The Physical and nonphysical aspirations work together "NETWORKING" the Universes at Large.

Originally posted by etshrtslr
Now that its apparently proven the planets bend space-time what are the implications of this? Can space-time be bent on a smaller scale? Can it be bent to the point of being a circle? And if possible does that mean time travel either to the future or the past?

It more or les just means that Einstein was correct in his theories, I'm
sure there are some interesting some other theories that will benefit
from it, but it is not actually useful in building lots of different technol-
ogies right now.

Time travel to the past, while hypothetically possible, is most likely
impossible.

It could be said that you time travel into the future all the time, but I
do know what you meant. There is one that I know of in which you
could travel to the future.

Get on-board a spaceship and accelerate it to .75-.9c, travel for
the calculated amount of time, than slow back down to a more reaso-
nable speed, depending on how long you traveled, months, years,
decades, centuries or millenia could have passed in the rest of the
universe, while only minutes, hours, days, weeks or years would have
passed for you in the spaceship.

Originally posted by shrunkensimon

I beg to differ. Tesla did give us electricity.

Electricity is a phenomenon that exists with or without Tesla's help.

Tesla gave us the AC motor, which made AC distribution worthwhile. AC generators were well known before Tesla, the first power distribution transformer was patented by Gaulard and Gibbs. However, there wasn't as much use for AC prior to Tesla's invention of a practical AC motor. There were some crappy ones before that but not much in the way of a useful one.

Also the amount of inventions Tesla came up with demonstrates to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that he understood more about reality than history books let on.

Not knocking Tesla, he was very bright and came up with a lot. But not everything he came up with worked, and he was apparently fond of lying his ass off for funding as well.

He understood the idea of vibration, aswell as the cosmic vibration/ether.

I'm pretty sure that Tesla wasn't the first guy to come along and say "Doh! Look, there's a phenomenon called vibration!" This is one of those things that don't quite seem to jive between Tesla's claims and other people's reality. Tesla himself retracted his claim about shattering the Earth with charges of dynamite.

Einstein didn't make the bomb, but played a big part in getting it developed. He sent a letter to Rosevelt urging him that an atomic bomb should be built, under paranoia that the Nazis were going to get there first...

And that was about it for his direct involvement. I'm not sure how that applies to him being correct in physics or math, though a lot of people toss that out as some sort of bizarre refutation.

Tesla mite not have called it Zero point, but he certainly knew of it.

Why do you think this?

Definiton of ZPE? I don know, the extraction of energy from the time domain/quantum flux of the universe/reality.

Avoiding Hamiltonians, t's the ground state of a quantum mechanical physical system, or the energy associated with the vacuum of empty space. Ironically in your case, it was proposed by Einstein in, IIRC, 1912. I may be off a year or two.

I suggest you watch a documentary called "Thunderbolts of the Gods" on google video, and then you mite understand how Tesla was able to get unlimited energy from the Sun (because its not a giant fusion reaction, rather, just a reaction on the surface of the Sun. Same goes for blackholes, they are just stars behaving in a very strange way on their surface.)

Since you seem interested in this stuff, may I suggest you take some calculus based physics and get a framework for speculation? I don't think a lot of "thunderbolts", well, that's not true, I think he's wrong.

Originally posted by menguard
Einstein, gave us what he thought we needed a physical implosion.I guess thats one way to prove theory correct, energy is never destroyed or created, perhaps one of those babies going off would set an example of energy in constant motion.Things are always being recycled through the Universe.

Physical implosion? Pardon?

Einstein had nothing to do with that, if you're talking about the design of a nuclear weapon. That would be Seth Neddermeyer.

Originally posted by menguard

When consciousness happens on a large scale anything can happen, but what makes that change desirable is the energetic system at large pushing and pulling things where they need to be.We can manipulate matter to our potential within a certain field of Gravitational polarity.

"Lights density" in a given field of vibrations, sets off the patterns at large in our state of being.But other potentials can come into our existance, with/within our thoughts.If we meet the same requirements met up in another field of gravity, perhaps we would also bring those fields in like a magnet.

Originally posted by menguard

When consciousness happens on a large scale anything can happen, but what makes that change desirable is the energetic system at large pushing and pulling things where they need to be.We can manipulate matter to our potential within a certain field of Gravitational polarity.

More random dipping into the "1001 neat physics terms" book.

Get on-board a spaceship and accelerate it to .75-.9c, travel for
the calculated amount of time, than slow back down to a more reaso-
nable speed, depending on how long you traveled, months, years,
decades, centuries or millenia could have passed in the rest of the
universe, while only minutes, hours, days, weeks or years would have
passed for you in the spaceship.

Im aware of the experiment (for lack of a better term). I guess my real guestion is if space-time bends can it be done on a smaller scale and if so can it be bent into a circle? I know this is all hypothetical but if space time can be bent into a circle then you could really live the ground hog day scenario.

Originally posted by iori_komeiDark Matter, Dark Energy, Higgs-Boson, those are just some of the
theories that have been created in the last two decades, indeed Dark
Matter was theorized first in the 90's.

As for science, we see scientific developments everyday, just look at
sites like Space.com, Physorg.com or TechNovelgy.com, they report
on scientific and technological developments the entire
work-week.

I know of those different theorys, but I guess what I was trying to say is that we the public have not seen anything major come out of say, Dark Matter, or String Theory.

Where as, Im sure that Einstein's theorys (and many others) were used to pioneer the first moon landing, and space trips, ect.

I remeber seeing pictures of what the post 2000+ future would be like when I was still in highschool. I somewhat imagined that it would be possible that in 20 years we could have 'flying cars' and extensive space travel and all that jazz. I made these guess's off of seeing what our grandparents saw... Horses, to Motor Cars, to Planes, to Space Ships.

I guess I expected the next shift in technology and revolution in man kinds everyday existence to be much more exponential that what Ive seen so far.

For example: NASA's whole shuttle program seems to be going backwards with all the problems at launch, not forward. At this rate the ISS will not be finished for years to come... Maybe longer if the funding and launching schedule is doing what is rumor'd.

Where are the "Cold Fision Engines", "Warp Drive", "Star Ships", "Flying Cars", New Forms of Fuel, ect?

I dont know, maybe its just that in the years from like 1900 to now man-kind saw leaps and bounds that may never be so major ever again. I just expected to at least be stepping into the 'space age' sooner than what it seems we are going. To me, it seems we are stuck in 1980's technology.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam

Originally posted by menguard

When consciousness happens on a large scale anything can happen, but what makes that change desirable is the energetic system at large pushing and pulling things where they need to be.We can manipulate matter to our potential within a certain field of Gravitational polarity.

More random dipping into the "1001 neat physics terms" book.

Thanks buddy, thats why I am here to give what is within without.I am confirming what science says on different levels, just as science proves spirit exists, energy in constant motion.

Originally posted by JbT
Where are the "Cold Fision Engines", "Warp Drive", "Star Ships", "Flying Cars", New Forms of Fuel, ect?

I dont know, maybe its just that in the years from like 1900 to now man-kind saw leaps and bounds that may never be so major ever again. I just expected to at least be stepping into the 'space age' sooner than what it seems we are going. To me, it seems we are stuck in 1980's technology.

I know what you mean. We're in a tedious period of small arcane discoveries that only a specialist can understand.

That's why on another thread I said that I'd be overjoyed if Steorn's gadget actually worked, because then we'd have to chunk a lot of current physics and start over - it would be interesting times.

However, I'm not holding my breath.

The government holds onto "BLACK PROJECTS" like a kid with candy.Our government already holds some of (Teslas greatest projects) under their belt because he was unwilling to comply to their conformity.He wanted his projects for "the people" to move science forward without hoarders holding onto their dream of survival for the keepers.Soon all this wonderful technology will be widespread knowledge not under governement wraps.Our Earth will not allow those in power to dictate control over a higher part anymore, unless for the peoples sake.

Originally posted by menguard

The government holds onto "BLACK PROJECTS" like a kid with candy.Our government already holds some of (Teslas greatest projects) under their belt because he was unwilling to comply to their conformity.He wanted his projects for "the people" to move science forward without hoarders holding onto their dream of survival for the keepers.Soon all this wonderful technology will be widespread knowledge not under governement wraps.Our Earth will not allow those in power to dictate control over a higher part anymore, unless for the peoples sake.

Tesla was big into death rays and remote controlled subs. Not for the good of "the people", but for the military. Had he not been, frankly, a little off, he'd have been a prototypical defense contractor.

Oh, and you DO know he liked to sit around and bombard his head with x-rays, right? That is probably the source of some of his problems in later life.

Originally posted by JbT
I know of those different theories, but I guess what I was trying to say is that we the public have not seen anything major come out of say, Dark Matter, or String Theory.

Well Dark matter is really to new to really have any real conclusions made.

Not all science is useful to the everyday person either.

Where as, I'm sure that Einstein's theories (and many others) were used to pioneer the first moon landing, and space trips, etc.

Perhaps in some very indirect way, but Einsteins theories were not
needed to send man to the moon, or probes into space.

I remember seeing pictures of what the post 2000+ future would be like when I was still in highschool. I somewhat imagined that it would be possible that in 20 years we could have 'flying cars' and extensive space travel and all that jazz. I made these guesses off of seeing what our grandparents saw... Horses, to Motor Cars, to Planes, to Space Ships.

That's the problem with futurism, to many things are assumed to be
possible by a certain date, on the other hand it's also the case that
many things end up being possible that people never thought of.

Another thing to, as technology develops it gets more complex, and
therefore takes more time to develop than more primitive technol-
ogies do.

For instance, it would have been a relatively fast development to develop
the bow and arrow from the arrow, but it's a much more difficult to
develop a P-90 from a Springfield rifle.

I guess I expected the next shift in technology and revolution in man kinds everyday existence to be much more exponential that what Ive seen so far.

Id say it has been, I mean just look at the world 15 years ago and
compare it to the world now, computers, cell phones, the Internet,
8bit video games evolving into incredibly life like graphics.

For example: NASA's whole shuttle program seems to be going backwards with all the problems at launch, not forward. At this rate the ISS will not be finished for years to come... Maybe longer if the funding and launching schedule is doing what is rumored.

Well the shuttle was'nt exactly the greatest design for a spacecraft, it
was designed during the cold war, and meant more to be impressive,
than useful, not that it is'nt both.

Where are the "Cold Fusion Engines", "Warp Drive", "Star Ships", "Flying Cars", New Forms of Fuel, etc?

Well cold fusion is really a pipe dream, Warp drive requires technology
we wont have for a long time, star ships are not economically feasible,
nor are they very useful with current technologies, flying cars require a
navigation system that will not be totally ready for another few years,
not to mention the difficulty with developing the concept behind there flight
add to that that flying cars are not exactly appealing to the majority
of people.
As for new forms of fuel, well that more has to do with no one putting
enough funding into them the last few decades, though hydrogen, electric
and bio-fuel are good contenders that are getting the research they
rightfully deserved.

I don't know, maybe its just that in the years from like 1900 to now man-kind saw leaps and bounds that may never be so major ever again. I just expected to at least be stepping into the 'space age' sooner than what it seems we are going. To me, it seems we are stuck in 1980's technology.

The real problem is funding, we would have had orbital habitats, a few
lunar bases, landed man on Mars and most likely had at least one Mars
base by now if NASA had continued to receive the kind of funding it
received in the Apollo era.

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam

Originally posted by menguard

The government holds onto "BLACK PROJECTS" like a kid with candy.Our government already holds some of (Teslas greatest projects) under their belt because he was unwilling to comply to their conformity.He wanted his projects for "the people" to move science forward without hoarders holding onto their dream of survival for the keepers.Soon all this wonderful technology will be widespread knowledge not under governement wraps.Our Earth will not allow those in power to dictate control over a higher part anymore, unless for the peoples sake.

Tesla was big into death rays and remote controlled subs. Not for the good of "the people", but for the military. Had he not been, frankly, a little off, he'd have been a prototypical defense contractor.

Oh, and you DO know he liked to sit around and bombard his head with x-rays, right? That is probably the source of some of his problems in later life.

Oh well, we bombard ourselves with radioactive objects everyday of our lives, its no wonder were radioactive potentials.

Originally posted by laiguana
Spirit? WTH.....that makes no sense. Not to offend anyone. Look, my posterior will bend and it's not because of 'spirit'. Which brings me to this...do you think there could be a massive black hole somewhere in this universe sucking up everything?

Yeah, the center of the universe is suspected to be a giant super massive blackhole. Although for some unknown reason galaxies tend to fly away from it instead of get closer.

Or am I thinking of something else? Anyways, what exactly is "spirit" in the scientific world? Because I've never heard of that term before, at least not to describe the universe and the space time continuum.

Shattered OUT...

Shattered makes a point. If there are blackholes everywhere, the center of the universe and the center of Galaxies, then why are we still expanding.
Also i wonder if the black holes, in the center of Galaxies at one time a huge, super sun collapsed to become a black hole?
In any case, everything in space is still said to be expanding, away from the black holes.

The weirdest part about it is that light seems to emanate from the center of galaxies and the center of galaxies are believed to be super massive novas and or black hole (both a collapsed star).

Scary.

Shattered OUT...

A black hole only effects matter withint its gravitational range.

For instance, if our sun was to suddenly turn into a black hole, the Earth
would not be sucked into it, rather it would stay in its current orbit.

There are many stars near the center of our galaxy, so we see alot
of light from there.

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
Shattered makes a point. If there are blackholes everywhere, the center of the universe and the center of Galaxies, then why are we still expanding.
Also i wonder if the black holes, in the center of Galaxies at one time a huge, super sun collapsed to become a black hole?
In any case, everything in space is still said to be expanding, away from the black holes.

Like a tide, everthing moves in and out of itself, when a star goes supernovea it goes critical mass.Black holes collect things that are no longer needed in the Univerese, a hole with atomic mass to it.They are the trash compacters of the Universe.

Originally posted by menguard
Like a tide, everthing moves in and out of itself, when a star goes supernovea it goes critical mass.Black holes collect things that are no longer needed in the Univerese, a hole with atomic mass to it.They are the trash compacters of the Universe.

A star does not neccessarily turn into a black hole when it goes nova,
it can also turn into a neutron star.