Jesus Was An Egotistical Mad Man

Originally posted by WiseSheep
Those that are well need no doctor. Those who are well in their own mind without the doctor, die as a result of it.

What makes you think I am not one well in my mind and not you?

Your continued failure to respond to me grieves me. It tells me that you have chosen not to consider these issues and withdraw to protect your weak faith from the ravages of real truth.

Isn't it curious how the armor of god is so ineffective, while I with no armor am unscathed?

[edit on 20-4-2007 by Columbus]

Originally posted by Columbus
What makes you think I am not one well in my mind and not you?

What makes you think, that I thought you were well in your own mind? Unless you are and are convicting your own self.

Originally posted by Columbus
Your continued failure to respond to me grieves me. It tells me that you have chosen not to consider these issues and withdraw to protect your weak faith from the ravages of real truth.

It's as a result of birthing useless arguments about something you don't see. Ever see anyone argue with a blind man or get in an all out debate with him over something that can only be seen? Waste of time.

Originally posted by Columbus
Isn't it curious how the armor of god is so ineffective, while I with no armor am unscathed?

What's grieving is to see those without it who have conned themselves into believing they are armed. In reality they are naked, empty and miserable.

I'm mentally ill, but where I come from that's perfectly fine

Come on now. We have a guy (WiseSheep) telling people that they are demons and devils (unless you have made a pact to stop referring to us like that), and we have another guy (columbus) just trying to be a nice Human being and get to the bottom of why you are thinking this way and why you are doing it. I don't think either of you have a problem nor do you need to see a doctor. I think demons need to prove themselves (and don't go saying that "we are doing a great job of that in this thread!") and God needs to explain how the spectrum of light and the rainbow were insigificant and/or didn't Exist on the planet Earth before the great flood.

That's all we ask, for simple inconsistencies such as those to be extrapolated upon

[edit on 20-4-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
I'm mentally ill, but where I come from that's perfectly fine

We all are to some degree or another.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Come on now. We have a guy (WiseSheep) telling people that they are demons and devils

You must have missed this.

Originally posted by WiseSheep

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Well then I'll repeat what some Christian told me. Hey Jesus! Yeah, I'm a demon and I'm going to hell, I murdered my child by not teaching him to use bad words in a bad way against people, yeah yeah, I know, I'm horrible.

And he'll tell you no it was your own foolishness overlooking the message based on the outside of the vessel that brought it to you. You can't physically be a demon. You can be a slave to one. I could be speaking to the demon that has you hostage. As far as going to hell, yes, every man alive is, without Jesus Christ.

You seem to miss the points that have any real meaning, and jump into some useless infinite looping comments that mean nothing. Incredible how generic that is. I must be arguing with the same personality that's in another here too.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
(unless you have made a pact to stop referring to us like that)

If something looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then what is it?

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
and we have another guy (columbus) just trying to be a nice Human being and get to the bottom of why you are thinking this way and why you are doing it.

If he wanted to get to the bottom of anything, he wouldn't deny the truth. He's trying to do one thing and one thing only. That's to destroy the truth's credibility. Actually you find yourself doing the very same.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
I think demons need to prove themselves

Why would they do that? They are having way too much fun hiding themselves in human flesh, making man get the blame.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
(and don't go saying that "we are doing a great job of that in this thread!")

We as in who?

Well, it's a duck! We can all go out and examine a duck to know so. As far as demons go, well now you're going to have to prove to us that they exist so that you can compare us to them. Or are you saying that we simply are in fact demons?! I concur. I am a demon, but not limited to a demon.

Well, this is true. Since we are all interconnected because nothing does not Exist to create a space between any of us, then obviously we are all demons, devils, angels, God, and Satan, because we are all connected to it.

Example, WiseSheep. I am you and you are me, here is why:

Currently you are sitting or standing (excuse my assumption) and typing to me on some variation of what we know as a computer. The chair that your butt is contacting is connected to the ground, the ground connects the entire globe of the Earth, this ground streams all the way from your feet to my feet or from your butt that is contacting your chair that is contacting the ground, to my butt that is contacting my chair that is contacting the ground. Through this I hope that you see we are all connected.

It takes one to know one, every time you point a finger there are three pointing back at you, ever heard of those? True in many ways.

So, WiseSheep, I am you and you are me through the energy that binds us.

We are every duck, every demon, every Jesus and every God that is every where for ever. It is my opinion that we should treat others how we would want to be treated, because in essence, we are treating our selves.

Of course I can call my self a demon and feel no guilt about it becase I know it is an asinine thing to believe in, but the intents and motives behind why you call me it and what you mean by it is what really bothers most of us

[edit on 20-4-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by WiseSheep

You must have missed this...

And he'll tell you no it was your own foolishness overlooking the message based on the outside of the vessel that brought it to you. You can't physically be a demon. You can be a slave to one. I could be speaking to the demon that has you hostage. As far as going to hell, yes, every man alive is, without Jesus Christ.

You seem to miss the points that have any real meaning, and jump into some useless infinite looping comments that mean nothing. Incredible how generic that is. I must be arguing with the same personality that's in another here too.

What did I miss? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at. You've called me a murderer, a demon, I should burn in hell, my skin is nothing more than a rotting heap of dead flesh that will be tortured (sensored for the children ) I need to be saved, Jesus is my only savior, Jesus is God and God is Jesus, you're in Jesus and Jesus is in you, but what you say means absolutely nothing.

So again... all of that aside and only making note of the last reference in the sentence above. Why should I listen to what you tell me if what you say means Nothing, that you have previously stated many times? And if that is so, how can you then claim Jesus/God to be in you and you in Jesus/God if you can't even speak responsibly for and of them? For if Jesus/God was in you then it is Jesus/God that is speaking irresponsibly about Jesus/Gods self, and now telling me that what Jesus/God says means nothing unless Jesus/God says it. That is a huuuuge contradiction.

This conversation is becoming so illogical and irrational that it is almost better off I go talk to my ceiling.

Also, if a thing (demon) can't physically be, then a thing (demon) doesn't Exist: Existence is physical and eternally so through the energy that enfetters it and that it enfetters

[edit on 20-4-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
What did I miss? I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at.

To label a physical person as a demon, hmm, would be a tad ignorant. I had the pleasure of being labeled a devil by a muslim the other day, so.

The point is, is whatever is driving you to do what you do, likely is in fact a demon.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
You've called me a murderer, a demon, I should burn in hell, my skin is nothing more than a rotting heap of dead flesh that will be tortured (sensored for the children

) I need to be saved, Jesus is my only savior, Jesus is God and God is Jesus, you're in Jesus and Jesus is in you, but what you say means absolutely nothing.

That preaches good. You've got it all figured out.

You are not damned, if you were a demon you would be damned. Demons, thank GOD, will be bound sooner or later in hell for eternity.

However aside from the demon part, all else stands. To get picky though, it's not just your skin. Every fiber of your being is corrupt in the sight of GOD. So am I. Likely way worse than you. But according to the law, we're pretty much equal and will be judged accordingly if we chose to live by the law. Rather than accepting grace. The sacrifice that fulfilled the law and bought us.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Why should I listen to what you tell me if what you say means Nothing, that you have previously stated many times?

You don't have to listen. Only if what I say is what the WORD says. See take a look at this:

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

That won't stop me from doing what I can to make you see. That you are making hell your eternal home, because of your choice to deny the truth. Nobody is innocent, not you, not me. Without accepting the sacrifice Jesus made one can't escape it. Know that. Whether to deny it, or to faith in it until death is a choice all of us have to make.

At this point I've done all I can. Maybe someone else will pick up where I've left off.

I noticed that you ignored and side stepped the extremely valid points that were made. No we are and are not flawed, that is a matter of expectation. The Existence is perfect and we are not separate of it. We are perfect through the physical sense of Existence. Through the expectations in our minds of what perfection should be, some times we think that we fall short.

Every thing is physical, there is no beyond.

Now I have conceded to you that I am a physical demon, yet I truly do not and can not harm any one.


What will you do now? Hint: Bible verses won't work because you don't understand them and your interpretation of them won't effect me. I am burning in hell and no good and I will damn many souls through my love and lack of ability to call and view people as imperfect no good heaps of sin filled flesh. What are you going to do? I have become every thing that you called me. What have you done to help the planet and the world situation? 1.) You have convinced someone that they are a demon or controlled by a demon. 2.) they have now gone completely insane and feel worthless. 3.) They could be planning a heinous act towards themself and/or others because of it (only hypothetical, not really doing these things ) 4.) What I say means nothing whether I have Jesus with me or not, so I'm even more confused. 5.) Jesus/God can't be proved but I have to believe because you say so, and if I don't I fall under all of the above. 6.) I am murdering my child, so I might as well. 7.) I still love oreo cookies and milk in the morning.

Congratulations? Mohhomad must be giving Jesus a high five

[edit on 20-4-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by WiseSheep
John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Well that is very vague. If we are going to have a Bible verse war you know you'll surely lose. They all contradict each other. I don't care for warring nor winning or losing. I care about the truth, and the truth is that they infinitely contradict.

Let's dissect this.

"He that rejecteth me,"

Women must be safe.

"and receiveth not my words,"

So is it love or words? Since Jesus is in you and you are in Him, is what you are saying meaning Nothing? According to what you've told me, I shouldn't listen to any thing else you say unless it is a bible verse. Thus you can only copy and paste bible verses for the rest of your life and have no real free thinking logic or reason; it would make no sense to do other wise, for the word of almighty Jesus is the only truth to this planet and Existence. We should all walk around reciting Bible verse, else what we say means nothing.

You still don't understand what Nothing is and what it is used for. It is not a scapegoat for your words nor is it a scapegoat for your reponsibility as a Human being. It is the reason for comprehending your eternity.

"hath one that judgeth him:"

What about two and three judging him? Where is "she" at?

"the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

The words that he spoke are judging him self, that's all I see here. He was an egotistical mad man if these were his true words spoken from his mouth.

So how do I become a demon identifier? Is there a school for that? Demonoloy 101, Hooked on Demonics for dummies, or something?

[edit on 20-4-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by WiseSheep
To label a physical person as a demon, hmm, would be a tad ignorant. I had the pleasure of being labeled a devil by a muslim the other day, so.

So if that person called you a demon, does that make you a demon? Since a muslim labels a Christian a demon, does that make it so? If a Christian labels any thing other than Christian as a demon, does that make it so?

If you say no, then why do you think your judgement of me is any more valid than the judgment from the Muslim that was cast about you?

[edit on 20-4-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
So if that person called you a demon, does that make you a demon?

No, if I called you a tree. Does that make you a tree?

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Since a muslim labels a Christian a demon, does that make it so?

No, see above. Islam is satanic. The quaran is a satanicly inspired book. Compare it to the truth.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
If a Christian labels any thing other than Christian as a demon, does that make it so?

Maybe not necessarily a demon, but definitely opposition. Anything other than what the WORD has spoken, or what conflicts with it as far as doctrine is concerned, is either man's doctrine or satan's.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
If you say no, then why do you think your judgement of me is any more valid than the judgment from the Muslim that was cast about you?

The only thing that gives Christianity any authority whatsoever is the fact of the sacrifice from GOD himself for our sins. That's what gives it it's authority. That is what makes it the absolute only way to GOD.

If the resurrection is a lie, our faith is vain. Not only that, but we are all going to hell, because there is nothing to do about sin.

You have voted WiseSheep for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.

Wisesheep, i applaud the patience you have shown to faithless members on this site.

Keep preaching the good news brother, your attempt is not in vain.

WiseSheep, one of us and only one of us is not seeing something.

Let me remind you:

1) Applegate is a textbook case of fraud. In such a case, Eve is the victim, not God. Eve is therefore innocent. You accuse me of conning you when I am using textbook definitions of law, while you offer nothing but denial. What basis do you have for your position?

2) Death is simply the final end of a mortal life. Step aside from the First and Second Deaths for a moment and explain to me how an immortal God can understand the finality of simple death?

I do not cling in desperation to an incredible fantasy. That is your symptom of misery. It was you who said you were shaken. I have no presumptions to shake.

Originally posted by Columbus
WiseSheep, one of us and only one of us is not seeing something.

That's a start.

Originally posted by Columbus
Let me remind you:

1) Applegate is a textbook case of fraud. In such a case, Eve is the victim, not God. Eve is therefore innocent. You accuse me of conning you when I am using textbook definitions of law, while you offer nothing but denial. What basis do you have for your position?

Was it fraud for Adam, knowing his wife screwed up to be stupid enough to think, "Well wife did it and ain't killed over so why not."

A prime example of the wisdom of man being foolishness with GOD.

If GOD says, if you eat of this tree, you'll die in the same day you eat of it. Your wife eats from it, and she's still kickin'. You say well he must have been full of it. Out of your own stupidity eat it yourself. Not knowing that a day to GOD is as a thousand years. They both died within the same day they ate, the physical death and too the spiritual death.

Originally posted by Columbus
2) Death is simply the final end of a mortal life.

The flesh is all the flesh sees.

Originally posted by Columbus
Step aside from the First and Second Deaths for a moment and explain to me how an immortal God can understand the finality of simple death?

If you really care, ask him. He'll show you all you need to know. Maybe not all you want to know, but all you need to know.

Originally posted by Columbus
I do not cling in desperation to an incredible fantasy.

If we could have just a look at those carrying out their sentences. That'd be just too beneficial for some.

Originally posted by WiseSheep
No, if I called you a tree. Does that make you a tree?

At some point in time, or no time rather, yes I was undoubtedly part of a tree. In our interconnection, yes I am part of a tree right now.

No, see above. Islam is satanic. The quaran is a satanicly inspired book. Compare it to the truth.

Any book that incorporates Satan in to its religion is a Satanic inspired book. There's some truth for you, truth from your own mouth and from your own book. Think about that for a while. Without Satan where is your precious religion?

Maybe not necessarily a demon, but definitely opposition. Anything other than what the WORD has spoken, or what conflicts with it as far as doctrine is concerned, is either man's doctrine or satan's.

So in a world full of 6.66 billion people, with the religious almost evenly divided amongst us, you're truly going to try another Christian crusade? How inhumane would that be? Will you again slaughter the innocent millions and billions that were living peacefully in their own understanding of Existence before you arrived? God almighty, omnipotent and needing nothing, yet not even needing nothing, requires worship and blood sacrifice in HIS name? HE creates a creation that must suffer and worship him, kill and mame in HIS name. Murder children, women and animals alike. He creates a creation knowing that HE will destroy it. He creates free will knowing that there is no such thing; deception. This God is unable to show mercy and love for HIS creation unless they worship him to fulfill his obvious emptiness. This God worshipped fits the definition of what you would know as Satan. Yet good things done by those who refuse this evil feudalistic God are viewed by you as Satanic. Your God has destroyed billions of peoples, murdered and mutilated the innocent all through the faith of "MEN". Ever wondered what other Gods think about this? Or isn't that the point, to kill them all off so that they can't question and so that they don't have a voice?

The only thing that gives Christianity any authority whatsoever is the fact of the sacrifice from GOD himself for our sins. That's what gives it it's authority. That is what makes it the absolute only way to GOD.

So it's authority your beliefs seek. There are many indigenous religions that believe God has come in the form of animals and flesh and have sacrificed for them. Do you realize that what you believe is simply a belief: a tale passed down through generations? A very crude one at that. The attitude the majority of its believers takes on towards its fellow Human beings can only be described as demeaning.

If the resurrection is a lie, our faith is vain. Not only that, but we are all going to hell, because there is nothing to do about sin.

That is because "sin" doesn't Exist. Religion created sin. If you can not escape sin then "for give" your self of it. There is no correct and there is no wrong without a standardized set of perfection to meet. We are all here experiencing life and learning as we go, passing those lessons down from generation to generation. With the advent of space travel and super-strong telescopes, fortunately we won't have to deal with any more blood sacrifice "God-sent" individuals from beyond Existence

[edit on 21-4-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
At some point in time, or no time rather, yes I was undoubtedly part of a tree. In our interconnection, yes I am part of a tree right now.

There you go again. All the flesh sees is flesh.

The particles that the flesh is made of could contain bits an pieces of about anyone throughout history. We are all made from dirt, so yes we could contain some dirt from about anyone or anything that has existed. If you eat a plant that was once fertilized by the feces of someone, you take on some of them.

The you that I refer to is the person, the animation of what you see in the mirror every day.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Without Satan where is your precious religion?

Without his existence there would be no religion, and the world would truly be a blessed place. It will be one day. His clock is ticking.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Will you again slaughter the innocent millions and billions that were living peacefully in their own understanding of Existence before you arrived?

To get technical if they have knowingly denied the truth, they have slaughtered themselves. There have never in the history of this earth been millions slaughtered by Christians. Murderers who twist doctrine as an excuse, yes, but not Christians.

In the old testament days, yes. Only because there was no hope for the seed that was removed. It had been so generationally corrupt, by idolatry, satan worship, human sacrifice, intermingled fallen angelic blood, etc, that there was no hope for it.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
God almighty, omnipotent and needing nothing, yet not even needing nothing, requires worship and blood sacrifice in HIS name?

The sacrifice is done. It is finished.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
HE creates a creation that must suffer and worship him, kill and mame in HIS name.

He created a creation to obey him, to trust him, to take his word for it. Instead we betrayed him and sold everything he gave us to his enemy and our enemy.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Murder children, women and animals alike.

As I've shown you before, we are all murderers.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
He creates a creation knowing that HE will destroy it.

NO. He almost did. In the days of Noah, it grieved GOD that he had created us and everything with it all literally going to hell before his eyes. So he searched the entire earth over to see if there was a half way righteous man in comparison to the rest of the filth that had manifested itself. He found Noah. Told him to build a boat. Noah had faith enough to take GOD for his word when he said you have a certain alloted time to build this boat, before a worldwide flood. People thought he was crazy, likely scoffing, throwing snotty remarks at him, until they found themselves banging on the sides of the boat begging them to let them in.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
He creates free will knowing that there is no such thing; deception.

There is such a thing, if it wasn't such a thing, we'd all believe. We'd all be little robots marching in unison before him.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
This God is unable to show mercy and love for HIS creation unless they worship him to fulfill his obvious emptiness.

He's showing love and mercy right now. He's giving you breath.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
This God worshipped fits the definition of what you would know as Satan.

No satan shows a fake love and kindness in this age. Unites all the religions and says heaven will be made on earth. Keeping everyone comfortable, all the while he knows they will be in hell with him if they continue to follow.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Yet good things done by those who refuse this evil feudalistic God are viewed by you as Satanic.

There's none good, no not one.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Your God has destroyed billions of peoples, murdered and mutilated the innocent all through the faith of "MEN".

He's done no such thing.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Ever wondered what other Gods think about this?

There are none other.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Or isn't that the point, to kill them all off so that they can't question and so that they don't have a voice?

Nothing wrong with questioning as long as you don't settle for lies as answers.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
So it's authority your beliefs seek.

You don't have to seek something that is in your posession.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Do you realize that what you believe is simply a belief: a tale passed down through generations?

A tale that only the creator, could have organized.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
That is because "sin" doesn't Exist.

If you're dead, you're dead. Sin only exists in a man's mind when the law brings it to life.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
There is no correct and there is no wrong without a standardized set of perfection to meet.

GOD is perfection. He's the standard, which we all fall short of.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
We are all here experiencing life and learning as we go, passing those lessons down from generation to generation.

As he says, if the blind lead the blind they both fall in the ditch.

You don't know just how blind you are until you have sight. When you have sight, you find yourself immersed in a world of zombies who spiritually couldn't get in out of the rain. Professing themselves to have all this knowledge, when in reality it's utter stupidity. But they can't see it. It's all brilliance to them.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
With the advent of space travel and super-strong telescopes, fortunately we won't have to deal with any more blood sacrifice "God-sent" individuals from beyond Existence

Yea, Nimrod still can't get enough height on that tower.

Originally posted by WiseSheep
There you go again. All the flesh sees is flesh.

No, that is what you want me to see, that is what you are saying here.
"The you that I refer to is the person, the animation of what you see in the mirror every day." That is the flesh only seeing the flesh.

The particles that the flesh is made of could contain bits an pieces of about anyone throughout history.

Anyone and every one, any thing and every thing, including the awareness of eternity and nothing.

We are all made from dirt, so yes we could contain some dirt from about anyone or anything that has existed. If you eat a plant that was once fertilized by the feces of someone, you take on some of them.

We are not unequivocally made from dirt alone. We are the energy of every thing and any thing. We are eternal energy. The dirt was not always dirt either.

Without his existence there would be no religion, and the world would truly be a blessed place. It will be one day. His clock is ticking.

Exactly, and who here is clinging to the belief in and of Satan? Where does your faith lie?

To get technical if they have knowingly denied the truth, they have slaughtered themselves.

No, sir, that is not technical, that is hypothetical, theoretical and opinionated. Technically they are not "slaughtered" nor are they slaughtering any one else. Slaughter is slaughter. Those who live peacefull lives and deny a companionship of and to Satan in any form are slaughtering none, but you and others are making valiant attempts at keeping the belief in Satan alive.

There have never in the history of this earth been millions slaughtered by Christians. Murderers who twist doctrine as an excuse, yes, but not Christians.

I hope you, calling people demons, devils, no good heaps of sin filled flesh etc. do not consider your self one of those "good murderless" Christians. Of course you haven't murdered any one to my knowledge, but please WiseSheep, take a look at your self and stop kidding me and every one else about how holy you are. A true "Christian" would have no need for such a label.

The sacrifice is done. It is finished.

Exactly, what a strange, cruel, evil, demeaning God you worship.

He created a creation to obey him, to trust him, to take his word for it. Instead we betrayed him and sold everything he gave us to his enemy and our enemy.

We might as well call ourselves slaves. Like I said, what a weird fuedalistic God. His omnipotence sure belittles him. He created a creation to make it burn in hell. Created slaves with free will, put them in the field to work with a river of lava surrounding it. Escape and you die you swine

As I've shown you before, we are all murderers.

Through our connection as the living organism that is the Earth, yes. Until every single one of us on the planet has a conscience enough not to murder his fellow man over Gods, then we are all murderers, but in my individuality and uniqueness, I am yet to intentionally and knowingly murder with a conscience that tells me other wise.

NO. He almost did.

He did

In the days of Noah, it grieved GOD that he had created us and everything with it all literally going to hell before his eyes...

Right, and this is when the first rainbow ever appeared to man and the spectrum of light was invented universally by God because of the flood on Earth

There is such a thing, if it wasn't such a thing, we'd all believe. We'd all be little robots marching in unison before him.

There's no difference. We're all little robots marching to an eternal paradise or an eternal lake of lava. That's not free will when the outcome is known before the choice, that's mind control.

He's showing love and mercy right now. He's giving you breath.

Let me take a look around... nope. I'm breathing on my own with the help of gasious elements in the Earth's atmosphere, such as H, O, N, He, etc.

No satan shows a fake love and kindness in this age. Unites all the religions and says heaven will be made on earth. Keeping everyone comfortable, all the while he knows they will be in hell with him if they continue to follow.

Isn't that what... you're doing and attempting to do? *scratches chin and looks up* You call love and kindness insulting people and telling them they are going to hell unless they have Jesus Christ, sounds like you're trying to gather every one in to your religion and you're demonstrating fake love and kindness, if any at all.

There's none good, no not one.

kind, nice, and loving... If none of us are good, then we aren't capable of showing love and kindness, I guess we're all Satan. You show above that you lack the ability to show love and kindness by condemning all of your fellow Human Beings to "badness".

He's done no such thing.

Then who did it? If it wasn't God it must have been... Satan? Who created Satan? If it wasn't Satan it must have been... men? Who created men? When God is murdered men will stop murdering each other over him.

There are none other.

Go tell that to the Muslims, the Jews, the Catholics, The wide variety of Christians.

Nothing wrong with questioning as long as you don't settle for lies as answers.

That proves my statement.

You don't have to seek something that is in your posession.

Again, thank you. This thread is really serving its purpose through the testimonies of the faithfull.

A tale that only the creator, could have organized.

Then how did man do it?

If you're dead, you're dead.

That's not what you say about Jesus.

GOD is perfection. He's the standard, which we all fall short of.

Existence is Perfect, if it wasn't mechanically PERFECT the very chair that you are sitting in would cease Existing and would have never Existed to begin with. Only perfection allows the continuity of Existence, and we are this perfection and this perfection is us.

As he says, if the blind lead the blind they both fall in the ditch.

And as we've gone over before: you underestimate the blind's ability to migrate through touch and echo location. Technology will bring the blind sight some day.

You don't know just how blind you are until you have sight.

Agreed, it'd be more like: You don't truly know what being blind is untill you can see, and you don't truly know what seeing is until you've been blind. In time technology will allow the blind to experience this.

When you have sight, you find yourself immersed in a world of zombies who spiritually couldn't get in out of the rain. Professing themselves to have all this knowledge, when in reality it's utter stupidity. But they can't see it. It's all brilliance to them.

Tell me about it, although I don't agree with "spirit"... High five, we agree

[edit on 21-4-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Exactly, and who here is clinging to the belief in and of Satan?

All one has to do is be born to hold the belief of satan. One doesn't have to cling to it at all.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
do not consider your self one of those "good murderless" Christians. Of course you haven't murdered any one to my knowledge, but please WiseSheep, take a look at your self and stop kidding me and every one else about how holy you are. A true "Christian" would have no need for such a label.

I know what I am. I'm nothing. A no good heap of sin filled flesh. To think that the one who originally made me with good intentions, died to buy me back, renders me speechless.

To think there are those who deny it until death, is beyond me.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
We might as well call ourselves slaves.

You have to first understand freedom.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
I am yet to intentionally and knowingly murder with a conscience that tells me other wise.

Because you have none.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
He did

No he almost did. We are still here. You are breathing and I'm breathing.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Right, and this is when the first rainbow ever appeared to man and the spectrum of light was invented universally by God because of the flood on Earth

Yes the spectrum hadn't been seen prior because of the sun shining through the water canopy around the earth. That and the plants were watered through a mist/condensation before it. It was a perfect large greenhouse, the optimal living conditions for everything.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
There's no difference.

You wouldn't see it if it was.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Let me take a look around... nope. I'm breathing on my own with the help of gasious elements in the Earth's atmosphere, such as H, O, N, He, etc.

He'll show you one day.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
You call love and kindness insulting people and telling them they are going to hell unless they have Jesus Christ

So I'd love you more if I let you alone without making sure you understand you are going before hand. So you have a chance to change before you are given your last breath.

Hate says love people the way they are, in their deception and let em go to hell.

Love says tell them, even if it offends them, they are going and why they are going. So just maybe they will hear and be healed.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
sounds like you're trying to gather every one in to your religion and you're demonstrating fake love and kindness

The world sees what I demonstrate as hate. There's nothing fake about what I'm doing.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
kind, nice, and loving...

There's nothing kind, nice and loving in the broad road to hell.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
You show above that you lack the ability to show love and kindness by condemning all of your fellow Human Beings to "badness".

It's not me that is condemning anybody, it's they who are already condemned, if they believe not.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Then who did it? If it wasn't God it must have been... Satan? Who created Satan? If it wasn't Satan it must have been... men? Who created men? When God is murdered men will stop murdering each other over him.

You can't kill a dead man.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Go tell that to the Muslims, the Jews, the Catholics, The wide variety of Christians.

It'd do about as much good as me telling you.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Again, thank you. This thread is really serving its purpose through the testimonies of the faithfull.

Indeed, and you don't even have a clue.

Jesus wouldn't have wasted his time arguing with the Scribes and Pharisees who were blinder than a bat. Had he not known that those arguments would be written and would be of priceless gain to untold numbers of readers.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Then how did man do it?

You mean how did GOD put it together by the means of man.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
That's not what you say about Jesus.

He's life itself. Without him you are dead.

Originally posted by WiseSheep
All one has to do is be born to hold the belief of satan. One doesn't have to cling to it at all.

Fortunately my child will know of no such things from my mouth. If it was a planet full of me, we would only be born knowing acceptance of all things, yet not have to become them nor stick their evil stamps on to others. In fact it would be just the opposite, any person being referred to as a devil or a demon would be called an angel or God. Get it? It's the self confidence and the self awareness of goodness that needs to be raised, not the damnation of further disasters.

I know what I am. I'm nothing. A no good heap of sin filled flesh. To think that the one who originally made me with good intentions, died to buy me back, renders me speechless.

I think it's the other way around, we die to win Jesus/God back. That's a dastardly artificial cycle and it's only going to cause more chaos. I can not tell if you are serious or not any more. Calling your self and others no good heaps of sin filled flesh is almost starting to remind me of a saturday night live comedy featuring Will Ferrel.

To think there are those who deny it until death, is beyond me.

Accoridng to religion there is no death. We are in heaven eternally before we are born, and after we die we go some where for eternity. That's not death, it's eternal life.

You have to first understand freedom.

That was the point of the statement, let's try and stay away from assumption. I experience my own form of freedom. I am not bound by the perils of demons, nor by the wrath of God, I suffer my own consequences because I have a conscience that can feel right from wrong.

Because you have none.

Let's keep it civil.

No he almost did. We are still here. You are breathing and I'm breathing.

That's not what we were originally talking about.

Yes the spectrum hadn't been seen prior because of the sun shining through the water canopy around the earth. That and the plants were watered through a mist/condensation before it. It was a perfect large greenhouse, the optimal living conditions for everything.

Is that in the Bible, too?

You wouldn't see it if it was.

Similarities are seen through differences.

He'll show you one day.

Days are only what we seem to experience on Earth as it revolves.

So I'd love you more if I let you alone without making sure you understand you are going before hand. So you have a chance to change before you are given your last breath.

But I am swine, are you diss obeying Jesus?

Hate says love people the way they are, in their deception and let em go to hell.

Hate says to exclude people from the self because it is the exalted one.

Love says tell them, even if it offends them, they are going and why they are going. So just maybe they will hear and be healed.

You have love and hate backwards.

The world sees what I demonstrate as hate. There's nothing fake about what I'm doing.

Do you think that you are the only one going to "Heaven"? Well, even fake things are real to an extent, as far as existing goes.

There's nothing kind, nice and loving in the broad road to hell.

Are you aware that approximately 85% (off the top of the head from looking at statistics recently) believes in heaven and hell, God and devil? Doesn't that seem broad?

It's not me that is condemning anybody, it's they who are already condemned, if they believe not.

If that's so, then why are you here doing it? Do you want me to quote all the times you have condemned me and others? You are denying that you have done this? Can't you admit that you are being a slight bit delusional? I won't quote you, but just be aware that you have on a multitude of occasions, and too in this very post.

You can't kill a dead man.

Is that why Jesus never died and God can not be touched?

It'd do about as much good as me telling you.

That is the point. You're excluding every one except for your self.

You mean how did GOD put it together by the means of man.

Well first you have to prove God exists other than from what the Bible says, that was created through Humans.

He's life itself. Without him you are dead.

We couldn't kill Jesus, and you can't kill a dead man. Jesus fits this definition of a dead man. So is he life or death? Are you sure you mean every thing that you are saying? Or are you just saying it to keep the thread going, because all of it is very inconsistent.

Wait, without him I am dead and he is life its self. A dead man can not be killed... so in essence, without Jesus Christ I am still eternal and can not be killed.

Let's just say hypothetically that I am without Jesus, are you telling me that I am a dead man walking? That's cool, science would love to study me

[edit on 22-4-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]