School Made Girl Remove Jesus Magnet - PTO Then Bans Photos

Sued the school district for religious discrimmination. Enough is enough, if you want to ban one thing you have to ban them all, then we become a world all things are offensive. The only way to cut this and get our free speech is to fight fire with fire.

Originally posted by JacKatMtn

Originally posted by shots
Just how far can they continue at banning things? First recess, then tag, religious items :shk:

Issue uniforms, then there would be no time wasted on political correctness using our youth as examples.

You don't have school uniform in the US?

Over here they have to uniform, but kids are usually allowed to wear certain items if their religion 'requires' it, if you know what I mean. It causes a bit of hassle I think, with the different culture and religious 'diversity' that is meant to make Britain so good.

Funny story actually, my workmate's son went to primary/elementary school in England and was once made to remove his crucifix necklace because it was offending the muslim children (who were all sitting there in their hijab headscarfs I might mention). Well he went home and told his mother, a large Northern woman, and ooohhhohoh god there was hell to pay for the teacher who ordered that.

The conflicts between religions aren't going to get any better either, with Britain so proud of it's 'cultural diversity'. I don't know what it's like in America?

Originally posted by intrepid
They don't want to act on it? Force them, the media because in the end it's the people who are in charge...
...a friend of mine went the whole gamut and got satisfaction prior to having to go to the media. The key is keeping all emails.

Very good angle though I doubt that it would get beyond local media outlets, you know they don't want everyone to know about this. Nationwide stories mainly report the teachers sexcapades with students, columbine student "texas tower" type stories, ( the not permitting a Jesus shirt to be in the school picture, isn't a ratings grabber.)

The question is there an answer to this complete takeover of our representative government 2-party system.

I think that change will only occur if we as a people choose outside the money grubbing mainstream. There are so many issues to tackle and most people don't not want to take any time to consider how they vote on election day. We all have day to day concerns that can consume us, so to delve into the world we call politics is just another headache which is easy to ignore, tune in the Simpsons, American Idol, etc. just to wash off the dust of the day, each of us is just trying to make our lives comfortable.

The parties that be, know that, their supporters feed us that, and in the end what we get out of government is what we deserve if we cannot take the time to understand what is happening to our country right now.

We need another choice, can anyone tell me what that choice could be?

Woah, there I go again..stepping down from the box ........
.....slowly walks off...mutters, "I need to stop ranting"



[edit on 2007/4/10 by JacKatMtn]

Ever since I chose not to be Christian -- I have felt society pressure and discrimination.

There is Definitely pressure in this country to be Christian.

Its kind of similar to how girls feel they have to be thin. It isn't really talked about in day-to-day conversation -- but the pressure is still there.

I support 100% - school should be school - not something else. And religion should never be discussed.

However - even I agree this seems a bit Overkill.

Maybe there is more in the details. Perhaps there is a dress code about wearing T-shirts with messages on them. I know some schools do have that.

Did you know Young Life is allowed to recruit troubled kids on many high school campuses?

Originally posted by malganis

The conflicts between religions aren't going to get any better either, with Britain so proud of it's 'cultural diversity'. I don't know what it's like in America?

That's kind of the way it is here in the United States. You have those who are saying diversity is a strength and those who are not so sure. As far as religion goes, i think anyone should be able to worship any way they see fit.

Yet, here in the United States you have the three Abrahamic religions that are the mainstay, and they are always arguing and frowning on one another. Then you have athiests who want to do away with any form of spirituality, whether it be Christianity,Judaism, Islam,Hindus, "New Age," whatever...

You have everyone with all of these different beliefs and ideas hollering that they are offended by one another... It's crazy. What, I am going to get offended by someone who doesn't believe like I do? So what!! They can choose to be wrong if they want to. I am just joking about that.



[edit on 10-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Originally posted by Annee

There is Definitely pressure in this country to be Christian.

I don't necessarily agree. I don't have mainstream Christian beliefs nor do I feel pressured to do so, really. Although, I don't really go around discussing my spiritual views, although I probably should, because I don't want to be labeled a "kook."

Originally posted by JacKatMtn
In the late 80s early 90s (I am not sure the exact year), schools started surveys concerning parent-child relationships, ie discipline, and went further to inform the children that they are protected by the school and if the child thought they were being unfairly treated at home ther was a counselor at school to help them.

Yea, that started in the 80's with my generation. We all used it to whip our parents into shape.

Personally, I think it is going to end up where most people either home school, or ship their kids to private school. It is heading in that direction already. Sending kids to public school is like giving them up. Honestly. They even have dentists who come in for the kids now, and talk about pressure if you say no (which I do). Dont even get me started on Parents as teachers for preschoolers. After a friend confessed her job, I have not allowed another "teacher" in my home. The libraries are full of info about homeschooling, and have events all the time to educate people on how to homeschool. THat is how popular it has become.

As for religious issues, the main issue is that they do not mix. At all. Maybe we are working our way twards a segregated society determined not by color but by religion.

OK, the magnet, I can understand - school property. Peanuts, that can be a life threatening allergy, part of the exponential rise of auto immune disorders in the Western world, soon every school district will need a peanut free, hermetically sealed school for all the babes in a bubble.

But canceling all the pictures in a year book so some kid can't wear their Christ Tee, well that's just a bit bizarre. Especially considering starviego's comment:

Local school officials in a suburb of Houston, Texas, are investigating how it was possible that a school police officer handed out calendars to students that featured explicit details on satanic and sexual rituals for every day of the month.

"September 20th is a 'midnight host' whatever that is," said one unidentified parent reading from the calendar. "You should have a blood-type ritual. September 23rd is the fall equinox – you should have an orgy. Activity group sex, any age, any sex."

Aye Caramba, is that for real? What's going on in Texas?

The SCOTUS has decided this before. Students do not check their 1st amendment rights at the door when they enter a school. Unless something is so disruptive that it interferes with the school's ability to teach, it is allowed.

[edit on 4/10/2007 by djohnsto77]

So I suppose this girls "feelings" aren't of consequence to the "system" that's so bound and determined to make sure everyone is accounted for in regards to their psychological well being.

Being singled out because of her particular method of religious expression is absolutely hypocritical of the school.

This entire contry is going to hell in an handbasket trying to compensate for whiny people who can't understand anything.

Making an issue over trivial things while the teacher should be educating the class on higher topics gets my goat.

America - stand for something, or fall for everything.

[edit on 10-4-2007 by GENERAL EYES]

Originally posted by mrsdudara

Personally, I think it is going to end up where most people either home school, or ship their kids to private school.

Home schooling? You are kidding right? I know there are some qualified but that is very few. Our literacy rate is already too low the only ones that can raise it are skilled teachers not some stay at home parents.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
So I suppose this girls "feelings" aren't of consequence to the "system" that's so bound and determined to make sure everyone is accounted for in regards to their psychological well being.

That's one of the peculiarities of political correctness. While it focuses on a certain group or organizations' FEELINGS, it,those who practice political correctness, quickly forget about everyone else's FEELINGS....



[edit on 10-4-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

shots,

I know about 9 families here in the Detroit area that home school their children all of them score much higher on standardized test, than public school children. And these standardized tests are all conducted in a public school location, as for fairness to everyone.

www.oakmeadow.com...

In fact a family right down the street from me had 3 of 5 children start University of Michigan at 16 years old, with a scholarship after being home schooled, but this is off topic anyhow.

I think this act by the schooled can easily be challenged in a federal court of law.

Originally posted by shots


Home schooling? You are kidding right? I know there are some qualified but that is very few. Our literacy rate is already too low the only ones that can raise it are skilled teachers not some stay at home parents.

[edit on 10-4-2007 by Realtruth]

Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by mrsdudara

Personally, I think it is going to end up where most people either home school, or ship their kids to private school.

Home schooling? You are kidding right? I know there are some qualified but that is very few. Our literacy rate is already too low the only ones that can raise it are skilled teachers not some stay at home parents.

Skilled teachers are a joke. When I went to public schools, they considered me not worthy of education and didn't even try to teach me. I taught myself how to read. It isn't that difficult. The other students were still not able to grasp simple grammar skills by the time they reached high school while I was forced to be bored out of my mind listening to the same lessons day after day that I mastered in grade school.

Home schooling is far superior and gives control back to the parents. The kids have a more secure learning environment where they don't have to worry about a group of kids ganging up and beating him/her up for the fun of it. And parents won't have to worry about schools exposing their kids to stuff they don't want them exposed to. Parents need to take control over their kids and not let the government raise them.

Originally posted by Realtruth
shots,

I know about 9 families here in the Detroit area that home school their children all of them score much higher on standardized test, than public school children. And these standardized tests are all conducted in a public school location, as for fairness to everyone.

I understand what you are saying. All I was pointing out is not everyone is qualified. All one has to d is watch the Jay Leno show at nite with their on the street questions. That alone show how stupid people are. I sure would not want someone who does not know who JFK was teaching their kids would you?

I am sure home schooling under the correct conditions would be fine but we do not live in a perfect word any more as we all know.

I homeschool. The only real draw back I see for it is lack of social interaction, which can be subsidized by putting the kids in extra-curricular programs. For example, all three of my kids went to karate. The oldest eventually became a 3rd degree back belt and a sensei before the age of 21. The other two, who were a great deal younger, made it to the level of brown belt, or thereabouts, before the economy made it nearly impossible to afford the classes.

Next, we put our daughter in a local japanese club, where they went on outtings and engaged in various social events such as cosplay, theater, and so on.

But my second son is just a hermit! That we can work with our kids, where they are at, emotionally,mentally and psychologically, is a big perk.

Also, it might be of interest to mention that when the two youngest started out in school, they started in a public school. The daughter was diagnosed with dyslexia. It was very bad. They wanted to put her in a special ed class and we agreed to it. But she was very uncomfortable, wasn't getting any better and felt out of place. The issue at hand was, that she wasn't learning impaired in anyway other than the fact she didn't see letters and numbers in their correct config.
"W" could become an "M".
"b" could be come a "p", a "d" or even a "q".

So, to solve this dilemma I began to homeschool her. I put her on the phonics program. She took that thing over and over again. 4 times at the very least, and still could not read or write, yet she had a nearly photographic memory. I began to look for alternatives and heard about color therapy, where docs were learning that dyslexics appeared to have more success if the words were read with colored glasses on. All that remained was the find the color that worked best for them. I tried that. It didn't seem to work but I thought.. hrm.. what if, instead of colored glasses, entire words were printed in a different color. I got the answer in an unexpected way.

She was playing an online MMORPG called Everquest. And even though she could not read, initially, what the people were saying and they could not understand her, the words were various colors. A couple months pass and she's actually starting to understand what she's reading. A couple more months and people are actually starting to understand what she's typing. And within a year, she's reading and writing. Now, she writes elaborate stories and reads book after book. I don't think the public school system coulda done that for her, frankly. They just don't have the time or resources.

The first amendment of the U.S. Constitution states:

1-freedom of worship, speech, press, right of peaceful assembly, right to petition the government.

Notice it says nothing about separation of church and state, that term came about later. It origionally referred to the danger of the establishment of a state religion. Now the term is used by those with anti-religious agendas to restrict the individuals freedom to worship. There has to be some balance where a little girl can display her Jesus magnet. She's not forcing anyone to kneel and pray or wear a burka.

People need to lighten up on being offended. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that anyone has the right to be free from being offended.

"I'm offended by your offendedness."

I live in Dearborn Michigan we have the next biggest Arabic population outside of the middle east, in fact there is a street called Warren Ave. and you would think that you stepped into the middle east most of the stores signs are Arabic.

This is not my point, so a magnet is a big deal?

In our Dearborn public schools the food served in the cafeteria's is Halal of blessed food for the Muslim children and mind you it is paid for by the tax payers.

Halal Food

[edit on 10-4-2007 by Realtruth]

Luckily, my son is now 22 and left school ages ago.
I would have absolutely no hesitation if I was to have a child in this day and age to home school the child. Or, even if I had the slightest christian leanings, to send them to a private catholic school.

The public school system is no longer the right place to have kids educated if you want to instill discipline, morals and christian ethic in your kids.

It seems like kids are being used as fodder for whatever social agenda is hip at the time with no idea or concern for the long term consequences.

Originally posted by shots

I am sure home schooling under the correct conditions would be fine but we do not live in a perfect word any more as we all know.

If I'm not mistaken you can not find a single study were home schooled children did not do better than public school children. You may find some individual cases but over all it is Superior.

There was no home schooling when I grew up but my mothers tutoring caused me to skip two grades and excel. She only completed 8th grade. A simple yearly test would protect against bad parents.

Secularists and others have become exactly like the Nazi's and the Stalinist. Their hatred is so profound they have lost touch with the reality of what they are doing. What they want is simple. Force everyone else to believe what they believe even if they have to force them too for their own good. Freedom be damned as long as everyone marches in lockstep with them. It is not the cause that matters to them. If one does not work they will find another. Look up Fascism in the Dictionary. You will find the definition of the anti (fill in the blank) crowd. It is like a mass hysteria that takes over entire populations (i.e. Nazi's, Islamic Terrorists, Fascism and others). The power of government is infinitesimal in comparison.