To Show How Small and Insignificant We Really Are

Originally posted by cybertroy
"No god," alright, let's see some proof. I'm talking "the creator," the "thing" that started it all. I'm speaking of creation in its purist sense.
When you dive into the realm of god and spirits, and seek to disprove them, you had better be ready to disprove things like ghosts, past lives, and OOBEs. This is spiritual phenomena.

Ok, you're making the claim there is a god. Prove it.

You don't believe in god, fine. I've kind of been there before, myself. But don't come here putting people down for beliefs. Some very intellegent folks actually do believe in creation.

I didn't put people down. I stated how sad I was that some supposedly intelligent people believe in magic and fairytales.

Creation, huh? Right... the kind that happened in Genesis? Sure...

Back to the thread, instead of being interrupted by god-notions... It would be great to have a picture of both the Voyager spacecraft, with a scaled distance of how far they have actually travelled from Earth. That would lend a sense of scale to the bigger picture as well.

tezzajw, i don't believe in God either, but i'm not ranting about it...

Spiritual beliefs are very much a personal thing, and should be kept as such. Everyone can believe what they want. Just because their belief system is different to your own is not an excuse to argue or go into semantics.

That goes for BOTH sides. Lets just drop the religious debate and get BACK ON TOPIC! The topic being our size relative to that of the other bodies in the universe.

We really are insignificant, and yet we all think, feel, touch, taste etc etc. Kind of makes you wonder what the point of it all is? (Nothing to do with God )

I always get depressed when I see things like this

to quote carl sagan...."if we are alone in this universe...seem's like an awful waste of space." I do not for one minute beleive that we are alone. This thread alone should help to convince others of this, but again, like religion, it is mearly one's own opinion! We sent out the voyager craft with a record and information about us and our "life". If you were from out there somewhere and came accross this craft and decifered this information, then came to our system and saw the polution that we have created not just on the planet but in space...what would your thought's be? would you leave?, stay to help?, or just conqure!?. I am not trying to get off topic here, just trying to help put things into perspective!We as a race sent out an invatation.....so much has changed since then. I think that the human race need's to grow up and stop being "childish" with the wars and such. If we can not even get along with each other, How can anyone comprehend us getting along with other life form"s? Very good thread and find. Give's everyone so much to think about! Agagin, this is all my opinion.

Originally posted by labuddha
to quote carl sagan...."if we are alone in this universe...seem's like an awful waste of space." I do not for one minute beleive that we are alone. This thread alone should help to convince others of this, but again, like religion, it is mearly one's own opinion! We sent out the voyager craft with a record and information about us and our "life". If you were from out there somewhere and came accross this craft and decifered this information, then came to our system and saw the polution that we have created not just on the planet but in space...what would your thought's be? would you leave?, stay to help?, or just conqure!?. I am not trying to get off topic here, just trying to help put things into perspective!We as a race sent out an invatation.....so much has changed since then. I think that the human race need's to grow up and stop being "childish" with the wars and such. If we can not even get along with each other, How can anyone comprehend us getting along with other life form"s? Very good thread and find. Give's everyone so much to think about! Agagin, this is all my opinion.

Hey bro - haven't you heard? Getting along with each other isn't profitable! Who's going to buy all those guns and bombs we made!?!
We can't have world peace - not when theres BILLIONS of dollars of money to be made !?! Geez....who is this guy!?

I too, would like to quote Carl Sagan. I think We do seem rather Insignificant when you really think about it. Nothing ever got me to think of that more than the following picture and quote combo. The picture was taken by Voyager and is the most distant picture ever taken of Earth, the Quote is Sagan Reflecting on the picture. Nothing ever made me think how small we really are until this.:



"Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar", every "supreme leader", every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam." - Carl Sagan

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam

Originally posted by Mayan2012
the pics are great represantations. although also keep this in mind.

There are Galaxies and stars that we havent discovered yet that could hold planets the size of a whole galaxy.....think about a star the size of 5 galaxies lol...can u imagine how many planets would orbit that star ?

None, because it couldn't form. You can't have a star the size of 5 galaxies. There are reasons to believe that about 150 solar masses is the upper limit.

And a planet the size of a galaxy..nuh uh. Somewhere around 1.4 solar masses your planet becomes a black hole.

i said "COULD" i should have emphasized that word lol a bit more.

and i dont care what our little scientists have said about the "reasons to believe that about 150 solar masses is the upper limit" or "1.4 solar masses your planet becomes a black hole" because no scientist on earth can even say for a FACT that thats true simply because we do not know enough about our universe yet.

Originally posted by digitalassassin
I too, would like to quote Carl Sagan.

I do respect Carl Sagan. I enjoyed his Cosmos series on TV and applaud him co-founding The Planetary Society.

However, I don't hero-worship him due to his mostly dismissive views about UFOs.

He was prepared to 'listen' with SETI in vain hope, yet not prepared to seriously investigate scientific evidence left behind by UFOs. That's a sticking point with me.

In a similar way, he dismissed to almost no chance that UFOs were visiting alien spaceships from other stars, yet he predicted that someday Humans would travel to other stars. Meanwhile, he also stated that technologically superior aliens were probably quite common...?

I don't think that he really knew what to do with the UFO topic, so he bungled his way about it instead.

All in all, he helped educate us to respect how vast the Universe is though.

GOD created the Universe as pretty as it is, so that we inferior beings, along with our distant relatives in other parts of the Universe could enjoy the art that is His creation. He made it so large, so that we could try and understand that no matter how we develop our technology or how far we come to conquering our own planet, or others go about conquering whole GALAXIES, they are still as if a spec of dust floating in the air.

An empire could control 100,000 or one million galaxies, and yet still be shown as inferior and tiny.

Anything goes in this universe.


Anyways, I have already seen the whole universe, i took a vacation last week. Everywhere you go its the same thing. Anything alive fights or destroy other living things for survival or expansion. Don't worry, when you die, you still have freedom of choice, and it has nothing to do with heaven or hell (unless you want it too). Your energy can go anywhere random in the universe. If you go living entity you will have no memory of anywhere your energy has been, and never will until your life has again expired.

Just don't kill yourself, it does very odd things with the way your energy is transferred, causing much discomfort to the...

Originally posted by DYepes
GOD created the Universe as pretty as it is, so that we inferior beings, along with our distant relatives in other parts of the Universe could enjoy the art that is His creation. He made it so large, so that we could try and understand that no matter how we develop our technology or how far we come to conquering our own planet, or others go about conquering whole GALAXIES, they are still as if a spec of dust floating in the air.

An empire could control 100,000 or one million galaxies, and yet still be shown as inferior and tiny.

Anything goes in this universe.


Anyways, I have already seen the whole universe, i took a vacation last week. Everywhere you go its the same thing. Anything alive fights or destroy other living things for survival or expansion. Don't worry, when you die, you still have freedom of choice, and it has nothing to do with heaven or hell (unless you want it too). Your energy can go anywhere random in the universe. If you go living entity you will have no memory of anywhere your energy has been, and never will until your life has again expired.

Just don't kill yourself, it does very odd things with the way your energy is transferred, causing much discomfort to the...

me and my father both believe the same thing mate. we talk about it all the time.

our "souls" are not "souls" lol but more of a "kinetic" energy that is pure. the universe is made up of it..and that is what our soul is,basically lol when u die u can choose what happens. many ppl that believe in heaven or hell,end up going there...

other people could believe like me and my father and among others that when u die your "soul/energy" gets released into the universe ( your still sentient energy and can still think and have memories) and basically live like the Q from star trek (if u have ever seen the shows lol)

btw what happens to your energy if u commit suicide? u didnt finish your sentence and i havent heard anything about it

also sry for changing the subject of this thread a little....but im basically trying to get a point across to people about our "insignificance to the universe"

and i dont think me saying this will change much anyways....and since this thread has already been hijacked by freaking religion debaters,and skeptics,i dont think me changing the subject will matter much.

[edit on 4/9/2007 by Mayan2012]

I knew that our sun was a small to medium sized star but honestly, i didnt realize that there were other suns out there that are so much BIGGER than ours.
In that one comparison it showed the Anteres star to be about the size of a tennis ball and our sun the size of a pixel.
I was thinking about the earth and the sun one day and it and the solar system reminded me of the earth being an electron circling the sun(the nucleus)
Wouldnt it be strange if we were just an atom in another realm or dimension, just a nothing in a world that we could not comprehend..
Idk, ive heard that thinking of that to much could make you go mad, maybe ive hit that point..
By the way, sorry for the misunderstanding, no offense intended.

To you and anyone else who was mislead by that statement-----
I did not "create" these images or this scale. What I meant by "put them together" was I retrieved them reproduced them for this forum in a series.
They were brought to my attention by a colleague. Thanks

[edit on 9-4-2007 by Kr0n0s]

All this makes me feel like I won't get stressed anymore when it comes to the moment i choose the colour of my shirt

Thanks for posting, it's amazing!

However, could someone elaborate whether earth is unique due to the availability of liquid water and thus, the ability to harbor live, or do we still lack the knowledge and skills to determine whether those planets could harbor live?

Originally posted by DYepes
GOD created the Universe...

That's a big claim, got any proof?

The Universe is here. I don't know why. I'm glad that I'm the one not making the big claims.

Originally posted by Mdv2
However, could someone elaborate whether earth is unique due to the availability of liquid water and thus, the ability to harbor live, or do we still lack the knowledge and skills to determine whether those planets could harbor live?

Why is water a requirement? Is it not possible for life to exist without water? Perhaps they are based on some other elements, not carbon-based... maybe they don't come to Earth because water causes them to explode, and the water in out atmosphere would kill them instantly if they had any kind of leak in their spacesuits?

It's a very high probability that there ARE other planets out there with water as we know it~

My opinion on a creator: There are multiple universes and there are multiple Gods.
On the other hand, we are just speaking about how insignificant we are, which is TRUE. And yet, we immediaetly begin to make claims that we know the secrets of the universe (god, creation, etc.); more contradictory is that we begin to claim that we are special creatures, and God may create this whole universe for us. This is called hybris.

This thread is about the size of the universe, not the size of your god.

As one said, belief in god is a personal thing, so keep it to YOURSELF please.

Each time someone posts an intelligent thread that's not about reptilians or space fairies it's hijacked by preachers.

Havent you ever seen the movie Beetlejuice? If you commit suicide youre doomed to work as a public servant

Oh and I believe its pretty narrow-minded of scientists to believe that water is a requisite for life on a planet.
Something thats necessary for us could be poisonous to an alien and vice versa

btw what happens to your energy if u commit suicide? u didnt finish your sentence and i havent heard anything about it

[edit on 9-4-2007 by Kr0n0s]

Originally posted by Kr0n0sOh and I believe its pretty narrow-minded of scientists to believe that water is a requisite for life on a planet.
Something thats necessary for us could be poisonous to an alien and vice versa

It's not narrow-minded. We only have 1 example of life, and that's life on earth, which is based on carbon and requires water. So it's logical to search for something were familiar with.

We have evidence that life most likely needs carbon and water, doesn't mean we will never find other types, but it's just easier to look for something we already know first.