Iran British Hostage Situation Strangeness

Originally posted by Kr0n0s
For the people that give them a hard time for admitting they were in Iranian waters, is just ridiculous.
It isnt like they gave away nuclear secrets or any other info that could harm UK or US.
They did what they felt was needed to do to stay alive. I wouldve done the same thing were I in their position.
I sure as hell would NOT want a war started over me, not that they would anyway lol.

Damn right that's what it's all about i can't believe how many 'hardcore hero types' are sitting there criticising these peoples actions at the end of the day the cold hard fact of the matter is neither governments give a damn about them there just pawns in the political game being played.

If they were killed all they would get is a sorry from Tony Blair woopedy doo for the families and friends of these people and a reason to go to war with Iran even though it's probably going to happen anyway in the not so near future.

If I was captured by anybody I'd give away anything they want to know. Nuclear secrets? sure. Passcodes? sure. Color of the Secretery of Defense eyes ? Blue.

Originally posted by WolfofWar
If I was captured by anybody I'd give away anything they want to know. Nuclear secrets? sure. Passcodes? sure. Color of the Secretery of Defense eyes ? Blue.

LOL exacatly here's the thing what exacatly did the Iranians want to know in the first place thats what doesn't make sense you can just tell them anything as there is no concrete proof that these people were spec ops etc. etc. as has been bounced around on here so what knowledge if any are the Iranians going to get or are looking for from normal soldiers who patrol and search boats everyday.

[edit on 6-4-2007 by SR]

Why has the woman still got a headscarf on? Is that one for the papers or has she been traumatised that she is now mentally ill or depressed and needs it on? Are they demons in disguise now, won't say more?

I don't know, maybe she likes to wear a headscarf?

Maybe it was hers from the beginning, wouldn't that be funny from what we read on here :0

You know that the poor soldier have been treated horribly...look at the awful suits that the Iranians are making them wear. Talk about psychological warfare....

Yes you are right Britain and the U.S are not at war with Iran. The only war going on with Iran is a war of words. This is not only about the capture and release of 15 British military hostages, and by the way I am very glad they have been released.

This is about a country's pride that has been severly shaken. Many throughout the world are looking at this capture as an anticipated war with Iran. Will a war with Iran be inevitable I believe there will be a war and the whole world will suffer the consequences unless the people within Iran rebel and take back their country.

I think Israel thinks their survival as a nation depends on this war to happen and we the Americans are there as their surrogates. We are led to believe it is all about nuclear weapons that the Iranians are trying to manufacture, but it is not it is about who controls the Middle East and oil. The argument is if the Iranian regime get nukes the balance of power will shift in Iran's favor. I do not buy into that, but I also dislike the Iranian regime and I do care about the Iranian people because they are mostly good Human Beings.

There are many countries throughout the world that have nukes including Britain. Many by now should have determined that Iran could buy Nukes on the open market at any time and probably have purchased them already.

We as a nation moved on Iraq and are still fighting a war that could of been won the first year. The reason we have not won is we did not go into Iraq to conquer instead we went in as the good guys as a police action disguised as war to get rid of Sadam. You conquer, then divy up the country the way you want it to be ruled and operated. We went in to be politically correct. How mean spirited you say, war is war if you do not kill you will be killed. Remember our government right or wrong determined to go to war with Iraq, then they should win the damned thing.

Did we go to war in Iraq and prolong the war on purpose to intentionally position ourselves for our next move into Iran, what do you think?

Lastly 911 changed this country of ours and we all lost freedoms that I want back, how about you? Realize this that the majority of terroist that we were told that hijacked our planes were from Saudi Arabia. Again we were told they were from Saudi Arabia and I personally can not prove it because they are nothing but ashes. I have a question if these terroist were Russian or Chinese what would we as a country have done in response. The Ultimate question is did we go to war with the wrong country because of Saudi Arabia controling most of the oil and money in the middle East? Rik Riley



[edit on 6-4-2007 by rikriley]

Can you imagine what Iran would do if it had nukes, its quite a hostage taker happy regime over there USA embassy, UK soldiers 2004, UK soldiers 2007, and probably other times too anyone care to list them if any other times.

Also it does seem Iran is behind the BS in Iraq attack on soldiers in Iraq.


Also i think the attack on those 4 soldiers that died in Iraq other day was timed as a response, as its odd it just so happened as the 15 return to the UK.

i really think Iran is going to get bombed back to stone age soon theres only so much we will take, and we are probably preparing it as this is typed probably few months off though.

I agree we want to level Iran and erase it from the map, but why? Iraq was for the Oil (IMO) and to remove a dangerous (to the US eyes) dictator from power and other reasons. But what about Iran, I get the feeling that the general population doesn't really associate Iran with major oil reserves. However, Iran has the 2nd largest oil reserves on the planet. Where does Iraq fall in the numbers of oil reserves? Iraq has the THIRD largest oil reserves.

Why else? Remove the threat of another country (potential unstable) from possessing nuclear arms. hmmm.

Anyone noticed the pics only show THIRTEEN (13) sailors ...or could it be they switched it... for this?

...the UK's yachting team returning home after a triumphant performance in the inaugural Allied-Axis Of Evil Games.

Anyway they say there were 15 of them. Where are the two of them gone?

Take a look at the BBC list of captives here.

Dear khunmoon:

Those missing two must have been the ones who refuse to “tow the line” and report the British propaganda version of mistreatment and coercion. It was obvious from the get-go that none of the ‘captives’ had been tortured whatsoever — they were smiling and laughing into the (Iranian) cameras looking fit as a fiddle. Not a whiff of duress anywhere to be seen. Sad to see the British government doesn’t have a stone of decency left. They may sound noble with their enunciation of the English language, but their actions are entirely ‘gangsta’.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

The missing 2 soldiers were purportedly "performing tandem somersaults" on the left side of the image, which was subsequently cropped from the image. The thinking is that Iran thought the somersaulting soldiers would be "too much" and a little over the top.

And yes:

Those missing two must have been the ones who refuse to “tow the line” and report the British propaganda version of mistreatment and coercion. It was obvious from the get-go that none of the ‘captives’ had been tortured whatsoever — they were smiling and laughing into the (Iranian) cameras looking fit as a fiddle. Not a whiff of duress anywhere to be seen. Sad to see the British government doesn’t have a stone of decency left. They may sound noble with their enunciation of the English language, but their actions are entirely ‘gangsta’.

The spin on this story going to be more prolific than the spinning of my avatar (left). Reports (stories?) of torture, duress etc of the soldiers during imprisonment can serve to 'save face' for the UK. It can also serve to put the smiling captives whom were under such harsh conditions, into a more hero-like light. I believe that Iran was supposed to do what was expected of them, that is to keep the hostages, demand terms, demand freedom of its prisoners' etc.

What they did do however was unexpected and was done for purpose. Iran treated the prisoners well, gave them fitted suits and each care packages!

Is it possible Iran has bunches of Karl Roves in their ranks coaching and guiding the government there?


[edit on 7-4-2007 by greatlakes]

Is it really so hard to believe that the soldiers are simply happy to be returning home? Where in gods name is the conspiracy in that?

I'd have my arms in the air and a huge s*** eating grin on my face if I heard I was being returned home after being detained by another country. I don't care what training I've had, it wouldn't matter at that point, I'd just be overwhelmed to be able to see my family again.

Originally posted by johnsky
Is it really so hard to believe that the soldiers are simply happy to be returning home? Where in gods name is the conspiracy in that?

I'd have my arms in the air and a huge s*** eating grin on my face if I heard I was being returned home after being detained by another country. I don't care what training I've had, it wouldn't matter at that point, I'd just be overwhelmed to be able to see my family again.

No one ever said this to be a 'conspiracy' as you say...Or at least I never said this in any of my posts on this thread. Do you think it's a conspiracy, if so why? I am posing questions here for something that I find odd in the behavior of these soldiers. Theres one thing to be happy once on American soil, greeted by family and friends, quite another when still in the custody of Iranian military.

On a sidenote, found this blurb from:



[edit on 7-4-2007 by greatlakes]

Here's a picture taken of the party leaving Tehran. It is confirmed the airport building and the image itself is accreditted AP, so manipulations should be ruled out.
But take a count! Only thirteen.


Here's another snapshot some 8 hours and a change later. They just didn't have time to do any touch up on the image, so two guys switched in obviously shows.



[edit on 7-4-2007 by khunmoon]

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
Dear khunmoon:

Those missing two must have been the ones who refuse to “tow the line” and report the British propaganda version of mistreatment and coercion. It was obvious from the get-go that none of the ‘captives’ had been tortured whatsoever — they were smiling and laughing into the (Iranian) cameras looking fit as a fiddle. Not a whiff of duress anywhere to be seen. Sad to see the British government doesn’t have a stone of decency left. They may sound noble with their enunciation of the English language, but their actions are entirely ‘gangsta’.

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

When you are kept in isolation, fear for your life and are told that everyone else has gone home execpt you, you face will light up and your mood will lift when you are back in a room with your freinds and comrades, with a decent meal to boot.

Why don't you actually watch the one on one interviews with the troops. They obviously weren't happy. Their parents weren't either, but I guess the MoD leaned on them too (with what?)

Ooh, and AP manipulations ruled out?....LOL

[edit on 7-4-2007 by Peyres]

Originally posted by khunmoon

Here's a picture taken of the party leaving Tehran. It is confirmed the airport building and the image itself is accreditted AP, so manipulations should be ruled out.
But take a count! Only thirteen.

Wow nice finds, I agree now that you post this, something odd. Other posters listed the fact only 13 in the pic, but until now didn't think too much of it. Still don't think TOO much of it, but do find it peculiar.

[edit on 7-4-2007 by greatlakes]

Originally posted by SE7EN


Iran Capture

Chris Air, 25, from Altrincham in Cheshire
Mark Banks, 24, of Lowestoft, Suffolk
Paul Barton, of Southport, Merseyside
Arthur Batchelor, 20, of Plymouth
Felix Carman, 26, of Swansea
Gavin Cavendish
Christopher Coe, 31, of Huddersfield
Dean Harris, 24, of Carmarthen, west Wales
Andrew Henderson
Simon Massey
Danny Masterton, 26, of Muirkirk, Ayrshire
Adam Sperry, 22, of Wigston, near Leicester
Nathan Summers, of Hayle, Cornwall
Joe Tindell, 21, of south London
Faye Turney, 26, originally from Shropshire

Hey great post BTW, thanks for condensing the names and ages for all.

Here is the direct link of the Profiles as known at the time reported by BBC
Profiles of UK Soldiers

Average age of known all of the known soldiers ages? Age(ave)=24.5 y.o.

[edit on 7-4-2007 by greatlakes]

Dug up some videos of the situation. These are some that you may or may not have seen.


Statement by ROYAL NAVY SAILOR NATHAN SUMMERS


LEADING SEAMAN FAYE TURNEY

time
Some interesting photos in this video showing some leisure time


Summary vid some new footage


The View concerning the Iran Hostage Situation (Ugh skip to about 2:30!)

[edit on 7-4-2007 by greatlakes]

I have a friend who we had a conversation regards being captured not just by Iran but by whoever, he said to me that all British Service personnel are trained on what to do if they are captured.