Some British Teachers Dropping the Holocaust From Their History Lessons

Originally posted by Odium
What a laughable thread.

How can it be laughable when your own document backs up what has been stated is allowed.

For the various reasons listed above, history teachers
can avoid taking risks with their teaching including
the risk of teaching emotive and controversial history.
(Your Source which was also undated I might note so who knows when it was written?)

Comment to the remark on the date I should say I could not find one but if you can be my guest I looked for published and copyright in find text however it might be there in a picture form if so I missed it.

Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Government backed study has revealed.

Read the report.

Not one single Muslim has been evidenced as having or making a complaint. Instead a "SINGLE" school in the North of the U.K. has dropped the subject for the reason given. The only group to complain where a Christian group.

A head of history in a northern comprehensive school discussed the recent controversy over the wearing of veils by Muslim women in her multicultural classes. She deliberately planned to set up an enquiry for her pupils, looking at a range of Muslim historical sources, which reflect diversity of Muslim practice on the wearing of the veil over time.

Abraham Moss High School in Manchester, Alison Stephen, the Head of History, has embraced the challenge of teaching Islamic history at Key Stage 3. This work lays the foundations for a challenging piece of GCSE coursework on the Arab-Israeli conflict that students undertake in Year 11.

These quotes do not support the first quote. They do not at all support it, nor does the articile in most places. It found one School who would not take risks, it lists a hell of a lot more than are willing to.

Originally posted by Odium


Not one single Muslim has been evidenced as having or making a complaint. Instead a "SINGLE" school in the North of the U.K. has dropped the subject for the reason given. The only group to complain where a Christian group.

I do not recall anyone making the statement that Muslims had complained all that has been alleged is that some history teachers have dropped teaching it and that fact as far as anyone can determine to this point appears to be correct. And why are you turning it towards Christians complaining? Again your bias appears to be showing :shk: I made it very clear from the get go this was not limited to Jews, poles, Slovaks etc., when I stated any teacher that does not want to teach history should be fired and when I said history I meant all history.


I shall now await proof that I said muslims complained. Starts tapping foot

Which is my point...

So, no Muslims have complained and in a heavily Muslim School they happily teach the Israeli-Arab conflict without any problems. What does this suggest about the one School whose teacher won't do the holocaust? LEt's think about this for a moment?

Would you as a teacher say: I won't teach the holocaust because:
A) It is harder for my students to get good grades on the AQA, Edexcel, etc exam boards.
B) I am worried about Muslims students taking offence and having Anti-Sematic views.

Remember, in the U.K. teachers and Schools who do not do well loose a lot of funding and can fail inspection due to students not passing the exams. The Holocaust is a hard subject to teach, on the exam you have to give a balanced arguement that means reasons for and against Nazism and that is something many people do not want to teach and are not able to teach. Furthermore, many students find that hard to cope with - how do you single out the good points of the Nazi State without seeming like a bigot?

Then let us look at the article you linked:
Title:
Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

Why wasn't it:
Teachers drop the Arab-Israeli conflict to avoid offending Christians?

Furthermore:
Why did you single out only the part dealing with Muslims? Why no single mention of Christians in your posts? Why did you also single out Muslims in your topic?

The initial source clearly shows:

A third school found itself 'strongly challenged by some Christian parents for their treatment of the Arab-Israeli conflict-and the history of the state of Israel that did not accord with the teachings of their denomination'.

Fact is the only people who did complain where Christians, no Muslims. It was down to a School and a Teacher who dropped this because of an un-named Mosque.

Originally posted by Odium
Title:
Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

Why wasn't it:
Teachers drop the Arab-Israeli conflict to avoid offending Christians?

Furthermore:
Why did you single out only the part dealing with Muslims? Why no single mention of Christians in your posts? Why did you also single out Muslims in your topic?

I never singled out anyone group my title read Some British Teachers Dropping the Holocaust From Their History Lessons Kindly note there is no mention of any ethic race or religion. That came from the media and you not me so kindly learn to read what I wrote.

This not about anyone complaining it is about a few teacher who allegedly are refusing to teach certain history topics and that even according to your own source is allowed so there most certainly is no deception on my part but when it comes to your side well :shk: :shk::shk: is all I can do.

Another event made to make it look like Muslims are taking over Europe. Will someone explain how teaching the holocaust will "offend" Muslims?

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Another event made to make it look like Muslims are taking over Europe. Will someone explain how teaching the holocaust will "offend" Muslims?

apparently there are some muslims who deny it ever happened or so it has been claimed that is not me mind you that is other sources, I neveer said it never happend I know better. But one thing is for sure Irans leader sure denied it big time last month or the month before, so if you have compaints kindly take it up with him and his cohorts.

Originally posted by shots

Some British Teachers Dropping The Holocaust From Their History Lessons

www.dailymail.co.uk

Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Government backed study has revealed.

It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.

There is also resistance to tackling the 11th century Crusades - where Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem - because lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.

(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 4/1/2007 by shots]

In fact, you do mention a "race/ethnic/religious" group.

You decided to single out Muslims and to not mention Christians. Why so?

Originally posted by shots

apparently there are some muslims who deny it ever happened or so it has been claimed that is not me mind you that is other sources, I neveer said it never happend I know better. But one thing is for sure Irans leader sure denied it big time last month or the month before, so if you have compaints kindly take it up with him and his cohorts.

Actually his statement wasn't that.

It was a rather interesting point he made which was:

A) The Holocaust didn't happen.
B) If it did happen, European people should be the ones paying for it not Arabs.

He never said: The Holocaust didn't happen, the full article was actually hardly published in Western Media. He in fact spoke of a Myth around the holocaust which singles out Jewish people as being the only victims.

Why do we not, award the rest of the victims something though? That has always puzzeled me.

Originally posted by Odium

Some British Teachers Dropping The Holocaust From Their History Lessons

www.dailymail.co.uk
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You decided to single out Muslims and to not mention Christians. Why so?

You do seem to have a problem reading those were not my words those were in the source article

They are Not Mine

what is so hard to understand about that the words were enclosed in a News Tag Duh

Here is the link to my comments section

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Kindly note there is no mention of any ethnic group or religion as you are saying other then it was not limited to one group as used in the example and as I have contended all along



[edit on 4/2/2007 by shots]

You picked which part of the news article you sourced.

Taken from the Submit news function:

Story Snippet
(Max 500 characters copied from the source)

No where does it say the first 500 characters. You singled out Muslims, just like you normally do.

However, I don't expect much more from someone who thinks only the blind have dogs in the USA. :-)

You decided which part of the news to quote. You decided to focus it on the aspect of Muslims and use "political correctness" as nothing more than another sham. You decide to make an issue of Muslims needing special treatment in the U.K. and it back-fired, because it wasn't anything to do with them or political correctness. But rather teachings finding it hard and not risking a challenge. :-)

Originally posted by shots
But one thing is for sure Irans leader sure denied it big time last month or the month before, so if you have compaints kindly take it up with him and his cohorts.

Let's not twist the truth. You use the term "deny" very loosely. Ahmadenejad did not "deny" that the holocausts occurred, he refuted the numbers.

Would you also care to show me which Muslims denied the holocausts occurred, to which this school chose to make this descision?

Originally posted by Odium

However, I don't expect much more from someone who thinks only the blind have dogs in the USA. :-)

Ah again your bias shows through yet you claim you have none :shk:

You decided which part of the news to quote.

Well excuse me I used the very first words from the article and you accuse me of selecting only the parts that I thought I wanted?????

Originally posted by DJMessiah


Let's not twist the truth. You use the term "deny" very loosely. Ahmadenejad did not "deny" that the holocausts occurred, he refuted the numbers.

Would you also care to show me which Muslims denied the holocausts occurred, to which this school chose to make this descision?

I am not twisting the tuth those were the words used in the vast majority of the MSM not me.

As for showing you where they denied the holocaust DUH I never said they denied anything please do learn to read before you comment. All I have stated is some teachers that teach history are refusing to teach certain topics in history classes/lessons.

When I took History, our teachers tried to fit in as much as they could even if it was only briefly. Of course we spent more time on certain subjects. U.S. history for instance covered the beginnings of American colonization to whatever the present year was at the time, and focused on WW1 and 2 especially. We even attended a Holocaust museum at the end of that lesson. While I think it is important to learn most of world history to understand why there are ongoing conflicts between certain countries (and I love ancient history), the ongoings of the 20th century should be focused on most, because those are the things that still have a big effect on us. Those are the events of which we have the best records whereas much of the ancient history..well.....we don't have much to go on to determine what really happened, how and why. The reason someone would focus on the Holocaust would be to avoid anything like it happening again to any group in the world. The point was to make kids aware of how and why it happened so that it does not happen again. Of course things like that still happen in many parts of the world such as Africa,.... but you get the point.

Originally posted by shots

Well excuse me I used the very first words from the article and you accuse me of selecting only the parts that I thought I wanted?????

Yes I do.

Just like this thread:
Here that you started with the title: Warning: Teaching Parents The Signs of Terrorism Can Get You Labled "An Enemy of Islam". Which had nothing to do with the speech or even in the article itself which can be found here.

Then we can see this one: here where the source was deleted by the Express because it was found to be un-true. Again the actual report doesn't intend to be a "ban" at all, in fact if you read the article it was a "reference point" for the needs of many Muslims some teachers might not understand.

WE can then go here in which you change Muslim Taxi Drivers not taking dogs to not taking blind people. So either only the blind have dogs in the U.S.A. or you did that on purpose to raise emotions. We then have this thread, where you yourself only mentioned Muslims and not any other Religious group.

I used two search terms in your posts and could find these from the ones that showed up. I am sure the members can go through more of them and notice a trend themselves which I have noticed over several months.

Originally posted by shots
apparently there are some muslims who deny it ever happened or so it has been claimed that is not me mind you that is other sources, I neveer said it never happend I know better. But one thing is for sure Irans leader sure denied it big time last month or the month before, so if you have compaints kindly take it up with him and his cohorts.

Originally posted by shots
I am not twisting the tuth those were the words used in the vast majority of the MSM not me.

As for showing you where they denied the holocaust DUH I never said they denied anything please do learn to read before you comment. All I have stated is some teachers that teach history are refusing to teach certain topics in history classes/lessons.

Actually, where are these groups that deny it? The Iranian Leader didn't, he challenged the number of people killed. Why even bring in that hese groups deny it unless it is to deal with the issue at hand - schools not teaching it because of these "groups".

Name them and show them in U.K. Mosques.

Originally posted by shots
As for showing you where they denied the holocaust DUH I never said they denied anything please do learn to read before you comment.

Is that so?

Originally posted by shots
But one thing is for sure Irans leader sure denied it big time last month or the month before, so if you have compaints kindly take it up with him and his cohorts.

All I have stated is some teachers that teach history are refusing to teach certain topics in history classes/lessons.

Well I thank you for finding this news article. What they're doing is wrong, and in no way has anything to do with Islamic mindset. They're making their decision based on a stereotype that Muslims hate Jews, so by making that decision, they're furthering that belief.

Originally posted by Odium

Originally posted by shots

Well excuse me I used the very first words from the article and you accuse me of selecting only the parts that I thought I wanted?????

Yes I do.

.

You do appear to have a reading problem don't you

I was refering to this thread only I have done everything in my power to keep in unbiased while you and olds whats his name have not. Now again I will start tapping my foot and only this time I will ask you to show me where IN THIS Thread I have done as you said?

Taken from: www.dictionary.com

Bias:
a partiality that prevents objective consideration of an issue or situation

I am simply showing a trend in your posting, which oddly enough always tries one thing. Again to get one group, Muslims and to change little aspects of the truth to suit whatever agenda you have. You could have shown Christians having problems with the teaching of the Arab-Israeli conflict, you could have given both of those instead you picked Muslims.

You can't explain why. You can't explain why you singled out only blind people either, when it was to do with everyone having dogs, nor can you explain any of the other points.