What is the point?

Originally posted by Frith
Look at what you did Lexion. EVERYBODY is now posting off topic.

and so it goes....I have even joined in

I think we have to follow the money & the oil. Who is doing what with it? How is it being sold? Who are the big traders?

When Sadam/Iraq decided to start trading Oil in Euros he got whacked. I am not sure if his decision to do this was before or after 9/11. The only way the world stays "stable" is if the world trades oil in dollars.

If you think about it the UN had a no fly zone in effect and several sanctions on Iraq from the first Gulf War. Sadam defied almost all of the resolutions for about 10 years with very little consequences. If we were pissed for having to spend billions over 10 years enforcing a no fly zone then I would say ok on whacking him. Instead we come up with some crazy notion of weapons of mass destruction.

Why didn't we whack him the first time around? It was the military industrial complex. It wasn't a mistake as most believe. Those in power knew this would be good for the war machine. Replaceable parts, ammo, fuel, ect... The UN enforced no fly zone was a cash cow.

What happened was they got greedy once again and were threatened by Iraq in their decision to trade their Oil in Euros.

Now you must ask why Iran other than developing Nukes are we going after them? There is only one parallel in what is happening. The existence or imminent threat of "weapons of mass destruction" and Iran trading Oil in Euros. I am not sure if they have switched from the dollar yet but in the end they are doomed if they do.

Oil, Dollars & the Euro are the main reasons, the only reasons we are in Iraq. Afghanistan is a side show. The government was in on 9/11 or knew it was coming and did nothing.

Asking for proof like video or documents is ok but they don't exist and never will. Baring hard proof the sheeple will agree with a strike on Iran. Circumstantial evidence has convicted many on a lot less evidence than what my theory points to here and that is Euros, the Dollar and Oil.

The American empire depends on the world trading in dollars for oil. If everyone switches to the Euro the dollar is worthless over night.

Originally posted by Inannamute
What can you do?

Educate yourselves. Educate others. You live in a world where it's quite convenient for the average person not to understand physics for example (heh)..

Look to your true heroes for inspiration, those people who founded this country. Look to your constitution, and understand it. Make people aware that fear is the tool that is used to imprison them. Turn off your TV. Ignore the media's version of the news and seek out your own truths.

Knowledge is power. Stop letting fear control your lives, and live them.

Do I think people in this country are oppressed? No. There's no need for them to be. They're captivated by shiny things, held prisoner by fear (Am I ugly? am I fat? Will I die if I get on a plane? will anyone love me, will I have a job tomorrow, are my kids going to die in nuclear war, am I always going to be broke). There's no reason for the government to oppress the people, because they're doing it for themselves... A self perpetuating system that simply gets another turn of the dial every time you turn on the news..

I've lived as an adult on two continents. America is an interesting place.. The news especially I found quite scary when I first came here, I couldn't understand the sensationalism and grisly relish the newscasters had for the most awful stories... Now.. I understand it... Still don't like it any better though.

There's something very wrong here that I still can't quite put my finger on... but I do know that the way out is definitely to face your life unafraid of what it may bring. The worst things that can happen to you, someone, somewhere , has already survived through. What makes you think you're any less of a human being than them?

I agree with you on most of your post but it really doesn't answer what I am trying to get across.
When I ask "What next?" and the same answers are educate yourself, spread the word, write your congressman, etc. is really not a truly organized movement that will bring about action. I wish that was all we would have to do but history shows us it is not.
Now, I am not a smart person, I am not a highly organized person, I am not a leader, I do not want anymore blood shed anywhere.
I am not the person that would rally the troops so to speak once the Truth movement has fully informed the public, so i can only ask the questions and hope someone smarter and braver than myself can answer them.
The Internet and word of mouth are fantastic tools to inform the public but after they are informed what do we do next? If the point is JUST to inform then "What is the point?" I am not asking that question because I feel we should just give up, I am asking it to light a fire, to show that after we have investigated, debated, researched and informed, What next?

I would also like to add that after watching every single video about 911 on Google, I believe that the best way to inform the public is the movie "Who killed John Oneil?" It is entertaining yet highly informative with 90% of it not being opinion but proven research.
the movie deals with alot of the Whys? behind 911 which is what we need to know to understand and believe the hows?. Just my opinion

I'm going to be very negative here but in all honesty there is nothing anyone can do.

what's going on now was more than likely planned 15 - 20 years ago.
Every foreseeable variant has been planned for.

When there done with terrorism they will move onto the environmental threat. then attacks from space.

All you can do it sit back and watch it all unfold.

I'm being deadly serious here and you can call me a nut if you like. But i think our only chance is that something does happen in 2012 , some kind of cleansing process.

The last hope is some kind of massive intervention.

Originally posted by aecreate

Did ya find your "Neo-Nazi opportunists" in the truth movement yet?
Better hurry and find yourself,
palms down man!

Yep sure did.

Originally posted by GwionX
I will concede that the 9/11 Commission's investigation and report are not as competent and comprehensive as a work of this magnitude should be.



I don't know how you can say the above, and then attempt to discredit a movement towards truth..
You sir, are a hypocrite.

I can say the above because I know that our government is too incompetent to pull off 9/11 with seemless perfection, hell they cannot even get the congressinal report completely right. But it is volumes better than some kook derived conspiracy plot.

The 10,000 page NIST report, along with numerous eye-witnesses, police investigations, Fire department investigations, FBI investigations, along with the 9/11 commission report builds a solid body of work, stemming from many different, very reliable sources.

Whereas the whole theory of: "WTC complex was brought down by controlled demolition" was introduced by ONE man in 2002 in his book Painful Questions -- That was Eric Hufschmid, and he is a known Holocaust denier.

I call'em like I see em.



[edit on 1-4-2007 by GwionX]

Originally posted by GwionX

Originally posted by aecreate

Did ya find your "Neo-Nazi opportunists" in the truth movement yet?
Better hurry and find yourself,
palms down man!

Yep sure did.

Originally posted by GwionX
I will concede that the 9/11 Commission's investigation and report are not as competent and comprehensive as a work of this magnitude should be.



I don't know how you can say the above, and then attempt to discredit a movement towards truth..
You sir, are a hypocrite.

I can say the above because I know that our government is too incompetent to pull off 9/11 with seemless perfection, hell they cannot even get the congressinal report completely right. But it is volumes better than some kook derived conspiracy plot.

The 10,000 page NIST report, along with numberous eye-witnesses, police investigations, Fire department investigations, FBI investigations, along with the 9/11 commission report builds a solid body of work, stemming from many different, very reliable sources.

Whereas the whole theory of: "WTC complex was brought down by controlled demolition" was introduced by ONE man in 2002 in his book Painful Questions -- That was Eric Hufschmid, and he is a known Holocaust denier.

I call'em like I see em.

[edit on 1-4-2007 by GwionX]

This thread is not a debate about what you think about what happened on 911.
This thread says ( Whats the Point?) meaning the writer is saying what can we do about the truth that WE the people on (ATS) has found out about 911.
It seems that our Goverment has pull a con on all of us and there is nothing that we can do about it .
It seem that our Goverment dosent have to answer to any one .
The problem is our Gov did a fine job covering their self and we know it
If anyone gets to close to the truth our Goverment has a way of dealing
TRUTH SEEKERS.
Onther problem is our Goverment has fail us and is not working for the people anymore.
One thing I want to make clear is I love the USA and I belive in our Constituiton and I will fight for it if I have to.
And it may come to that a lot of us in this country may have to do something. This can not keep going as it is.
I can see an upriseing of the people in this country who have had enough
of their rights and every thing eles taken away from them so the Goverment can have more control over the people.
And that what it might take to dismantle this courrupt Goverment and institue a new Goverment for the people and give back our Constituiton.
The truth is our Goverment is only for the rich $$$$$.
Dose our Goverment do favors for the poor people?
No they dont do they .
They could care less.
other than that we can sit back and watch this Goverment destroy this Great Nation. IF WE LET IT!!!!!!

Originally posted by cashlink

They could care less.

Oh really ?

In the scheme of things that you propose, they, in YOUR words, could care less.

How so ?

Wondering,
Lex

Originally posted by Lexion
Originally posted by cashlink

They could care less.

Oh really ?

In the scheme of things that you propose, they, in YOUR words, could care less.

How so ?

Wondering,
Lex

They meaning the Goverment didnt you read the post?

Originally posted by cashlink

They meaning the Goverment didnt you read the post?

Oh, I read it.

Did you not read mine ? Get the part about "could care less " ?

If they "could care less", how so ?

Lex

Originally posted by Lexion
Originally posted by cashlink

They meaning the Goverment didnt you read the post?

Oh, I read it.

Did you not read mine ? Get the part about "could care less " ?

If they "could care less", how so ?

Lex

Ok I have made my post very clear there is nothing to UNDERSTAND!
I dont have time for your word games the POST explain (could care less)
I pick up from your writing that you have a problem?

The poster stated that they "could care less".

Care less about what ?

That is my question.

Lex

Originally posted by Lexion
The poster stated that they "could care less".

Care less about what ?

That is my question.

Lex

The Goverment could care less for the people in this country.
It seems the people that run this Country have only one agenda!
That agenda is to make as much money as they can steal or make. To fill their bank acount.
To lie to cheat the people in this counrty THEY are the ones who care less!
To steal millons and billons $$$$ milatary spending to put this county in deeply in deeper dept that We the people cant afford to pay off its Dept the GREED in this country is sicken.
It is a sad shame .

Originally posted by cashlink
Ok I have made my post very clear there is nothing to UNDERSTAND!
I dont have time for your word games the POST explain (could care less)
I pick up from your writing that you have a problem?

The Irony meter is going off the charts with that lil' gem.

Originally posted by GwionX

Originally posted by cashlink
Ok I have made my post very clear there is nothing to UNDERSTAND!
I dont have time for your word games the POST explain (could care less)
I pick up from your writing that you have a problem?

The Irony meter is going off the charts with that lil' gem.

Lex, Gwion:
as much as I respect your right to question whatever you want to question, I have to ask you to get back on topic please.
Once again, this thread is not a debate about who was behind 911.
In fact because of the subject matter the only people who should really be interested in posting in this thread would be those who do not need to debate or question, they believe the Government to some degree was behind 911.

So I respectfully ask for the 2nd time , for you both to either find another thread or start your own thread and then debate and question until your heart is content.

Originally posted by GwionX
[Whereas the whole theory of: "WTC complex was brought down by controlled demolition" was introduced by ONE man in 2002 in his book Painful Questions -- That was Eric Hufschmid, and he is a known Holocaust denier.

I call'em like I see em.



[edit on 1-4-2007 by GwionX]

I dont think because some people" belive" the WTC was bought down by demolition, are Holocaust Deniers and that one is OLD. So the man wrote a book, that has no bearing on the rest of us!! We dont all belive in what he has wrote. and maybe some might but truthly just because some people refuse to belive in your version of 911 does not make them Holocaust deniers.
I been hearing this saying been used in the media to DISCREDIT truth seekers. you all have resorted to name calling ,how outlandish.

They're all over this thread, but when faced with Too many co-incidences,
ya'll are nowhere to be found.
Too much there for ya?

I believe the best thing is to raise awareness.
Pointing out the holes in the official
story helps people connect the dots.

If most people on here, who are privy to
this wealth of information, believe that
the Gov't was behind the attacks, imagine
what would happen if more people were
exposed to such information.

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
Lex, Gwion:
as much as I respect your right to question whatever you want to question, I have to ask you to get back on topic please.

Well to be quite honest the topic is a bit vague. I did offer my "on-topic" contribution when I said:

"As for the hopelessness of the "truth movement" --I feel that is justified. Ya see, if you have no evidence, no proof, no facts, no true science..only random people's opinions, and wild, cooked-up scenarios.. It is destined to fail. Mostly because it isn't based in truth, but rather fantasy.

Furthermore, if the repugnant, odious allegations the truth movement makes, implicating 100's if not 1000's of fellow Americans of cold-hearted murder, without even a shread of evidence.. If this ever does reach the mainstream-- It will be met with dehabilitating resistance."

It matters not to me if this sentiment doesn't fit into some tidy little groupthink box you have planned out. It is my explaination to your question: "What's the point" "it seems hopeless"..ect.

Beyond my initial stance, I have been replying to others that choose to oppose that opinion. IIRC you are pushing some Illuminati plot- Nick Rockefeller stuff out there to preemptively explain away possible "party -pooping" outcomes of the upcomming presidential election.. What exactly does that have to do with your initial topic? If you were so staunch on your threadly guidelines would you not be the first to practice what you preach?

Once again, this thread is not a debate about who was behind 911.

Nope, it is about the Hopelessness of the Truth movement. And why it is hopeless.

In fact because of the subject matter the only people who should really be interested in posting in this thread would be those who do not need to debate or question, they believe the Government to some degree was behind 911.

When people accuse 100's if not 1000's of my countrymen of committing horrible acts of mass-murder against other Americans-- I demand Evidence! The shear audacity draws my attention. You act as if it is some flippant forgone conclusion that your murder allegations have merit.

So I respectfully ask for the 2nd time , for you both to either find another thread or start your own thread and then debate and question until your heart is content.

If someone asks me questions, or needs clarification on one of my posts (no matter the thread) I will still feel compelled to answer, regaurdless of whom the original poster happened to be...sorry, just the way messageboards work. I will attempt to stay on topic--but as I said earlier, perhaps your topic of "what's the point?" is too vague.

Originally posted by GwionX

Originally posted by SEEWHATUDO
Lex, Gwion:
as much as I respect your right to question whatever you want to question, I have to ask you to get back on topic please.

Well to be quite honest the topic is a bit vague. I did offer my "on-topic" contribution when I said:

"As for the hopelessness of the "truth movement" --I feel that is justified. Ya see, if you have no evidence, no proof, no facts, no true science..only random people's opinions, and wild, cooked-up scenarios.. It is destined to fail. Mostly because it isn't based in truth, but rather fantasy.

Furthermore, if the repugnant, odious allegations the truth movement makes, implicating 100's if not 1000's of fellow Americans of cold-hearted murder, without even a shread of evidence.. If this ever does reach the mainstream-- It will be met with dehabilitating resistance."

It matters not to me if this sentiment doesn't fit into some tidy little groupthink box you have planned out. It is my explaination to your question: "What's the point" "it seems hopeless"..ect.

Beyond my initial stance, I have been replying to others that choose to oppose that opinion. IIRC you are pushing some Illuminati plot- Nick Rockefeller stuff out there to preemptively explain away possible "party -pooping" outcomes of the upcomming presidential election.. What exactly does that have to do with your initial topic? If you were so staunch on your threadly guidelines would you not be the first to practice what you preach?

Once again, this thread is not a debate about who was behind 911.

Nope, it is about the Hopelessness of the Truth movement. And why it is hopeless.

In fact because of the subject matter the only people who should really be interested in posting in this thread would be those who do not need to debate or question, they believe the Government to some degree was behind 911.

When people accuse 100's if not 1000's of my countrymen of committing horrible acts of mass-murder against other Americans-- I demand Evidence! The shear audacity draws my attention. You act as if it is some flippant forgone conclusion that your murder allegations have merit.

So I respectfully ask for the 2nd time , for you both to either find another thread or start your own thread and then debate and question until your heart is content.

If someone asks me questions, or needs clarification on one of my posts (no matter the thread) I will still feel compelled to answer, regaurdless of whom the original poster happened to be...sorry, just the way messageboards work. I will attempt to stay on topic--but as I said earlier, perhaps your topic of "what's the point?" is too vague.

You wouldnt know the truth if it hit you in the face!!!
the Gov version has NO PROOF!!! and never will.
And you are a Debunker of LIES spill your hate some where else.
I will not respond to you anymore.

Whew! I got outta that one easy! heh