What Melted Cars 7 Blocks Away From WTC

Originally posted by LaBTop
I agree, too many inconsistencies.
What effect would a proposed neutron bombardment have on cars?
And of course also on all the other equipment you mentioned.

Well, I'd have expected it to kill all the people in the vicinity. Gross effects, energetic neutrons will heat up all the stuff they interact with, the energy's got to go somewhere. And you'd get a lot of neutron activation of the metals, the silicon in the dust, etc. The area would be radioactive like no-one's business for a while.

The electronics would tank. Neutron hits primarily cause ionization trails through the semiconductors, causing circuit upsets or blow outs depending on what gets hit where. RAM states will flip randomly. Some things you could cycle the power on and get back. If it's really bad, it will erase programmable logic, FLASH, EEROMS etc by leaving conductive ion trails through the insulating oxide layers. Also leaves weird floating charge states trapped in some circuits, and screws up the crystal lattice by inducing defects.

Another voice of reason.
Thanks for your contributions, Tom.
(Btw, where's Howard_Roark gone?)
Sometimes we tend to get a tad bit overzealous in trying to find reasons for eccentric effects in 9/11 photo's.

The tree photo.
That's what amazed me at first sight, the 2 next trees were having full foliage.
What brings doubt to my heat radiation theory, is the abundance of fresh leafs on other trees in many of the pictures of this link, posted in the first pages by a NY police man, thanks for posting these, btw. :

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Of course caterpillars could have eaten the foliage away shortly before 9/11.
In that case, they probably never made it to the butterfly stage.

Here are a collection of witness testimonies to chew on:

Oral Histories from Sept. 11, compiled by the New York Fire Department and the NY Times (compiler's link here)

► Paul Curran Fire Patrolman (F.D.N.Y.) 12/18/01
"At that time I went back to the north tower again, and they were stretching a line. A lot of car fires erupted. All of a sudden cars were blowing up everywhere.

I went back and I helped a guy stretch a line. The guy was all by himself. I helped him stretch a line and started putting water on the car fires. I remember distinctly walking past -- I saw 118 Truck. 118 Truck was parked right on West Street right past Vesey.

Q. Everybody tells me all these vehicles were on fire. What do you attribute all these vehicles being on fire to?
A. I believe it must have been from the debris falling and the heat just started hitting the cars and starting cars on fire. There were an awful lot of cars burning, an awful lot. It had to be radiated heat or just stuff falling on cars and setting them on fire. There were numerous cars burning, numerous."


► Patricia Ondrovic E.M.T. (E.M.S.) 10/11/01 (See also: 9/11 Rescuer Saw Explosions Inside WTC 6 Lobby)
"My partner and I grabbed our stretcher, went to put it in the back of our vehicle, and at that time, I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out.

I ran into the lobby cause I had no idea what had happened and the cops that were in there were telling everybody get out, get out, get out. Where are you gonna go? Stuff's blowing up.

As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire, and that set my feet on fire. I kept running. I got news for you, those turn out coats need to be called burn out coats, cause this thing caught up in flames.

So there were still cars parked on the street that were completely independent of that. Three cars blew up on me, stuff was being thrown. I went home all bruised that day. Thank God it was only bruises. I just ran into this park along with a bunch of other people, and stuff was still blowing up...

Stuff is still blowing up behind me, as I'm running. I can hear stuff exploding. I could hear rumbling, the street under me was moving like I was in an earthquake.

I saw my ex-partner, and I said get in this thing and drive it to Westchester. I told him get the hell out of the city. Get everyone was can get in this, I said #'s still blowing up down there."

► Freddy Burgos E.M.T. (E.M.S.) 10/31/01
"When the first building came down, after the dust lifted from that one, in front of me, the other ambulances, most of them not Fire Department, private or some other ambulances, burning."


► Richard Carletti Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) 1/2/02
"To our right, there was a parking lot right on West and Liberty. There were about seven cars on fire.

We came back around in front of Stuyvesant High School. They were setting up a command post there. I mean, you could listen to the monitors. Basically they wanted engines was booster tanks to come down and extinguish the car fires then going."


► Ronald Cifu Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) 12/28/01
"Even after the collapse when we were starting to relay water to the car fires and stuff like that..."


► Ronald Coyne E.M.T. (E.M.S.) 12/28/01
"...I saw the building start to topple...I tried to run as fast as I could...and by the time it took me to break the back window of the SUV, my safety coat was already on fire. My socks were on fire.

I was just covered with burns and bruises, and I couldn't breathe at all."

Falling debris? That amazing jet fuel? It even burned the guy's socks off?

Originally posted by gottago
Falling debris? That amazing jet fuel? It even burned the guy's socks off?

Yes, that was some magical jet fuel to do all the things it was supposed to do that day.

Why doesn't the NSA start grabbing their balls then Ultima? your the big shot you claim, why are the big shots powerless?

Originally posted by StreetCorner Philosopher
Why doesn't the NSA start grabbing their balls then Ultima? your the big shot you claim, why are the big shots powerless?

Its not our fault the administration did not listen to us or used the information we gave them for thier own gain.

a new type of neutron bomb affecting constructions, not people?
With lots of alpha and a bit less of beta radiation effects, and no gamma radiation at all?

That type of radiation can be protected against by a thin layer of clothing.
However, prolonged exposure to enormous amounts of it would heat up that protected layer, and depending on the flash points of the involved materials, (the lower the flash point, the earlier it will start to burn), it will start to ignite.

Nylon and other modern, synthetic materials have much lower flash points than natural fabrics, like cotton and wool.
And will form thin combustible gas clouds on the clothing surface first, when heated high enough.
That's why nylon jackets are so dangerous near camp fires, they will ignite with a flash when worn at a too near distance to fire.

Would these types of low energetic radiation influence the carbon crystal lattice of construction steel used in hi rises?
Thus making the steel components brittle and prone to breakage.
Especially the bolds and rivets used to keep the outer columns of the WTC towers together.

Would this type of radiation also heat up carbon fuels like gasoline?
And we know from Tom Bedlam, that this kind of radiation doesn't follow straight lines, but bounces off from corners and bends, and dissipate in irradical patterns.

[edit on 29/3/07 by LaBTop]

Originally posted by LaBTop
a new type of neutron bomb affecting constructions, not people?
With lots of alpha and a bit less of beta radiation effects, and no gamma radiation at all?

That type of radiation can be protected against by a thin layer of clothing.
However, prolonged exposure to enormous amounts of it would heat up that protected layer, and depending on the flash points of the involved materials, (the lower the flash point, the earlier it will start to burn), it will start to ignite.

Alpha's definitely not going to even go through your skin. Beta can be stopped by heavy clothing and turnout gear, depending on the energy level.

Neutrons are going through whatever you've got on, at the energy level that a fusion weapon would release them. Hydrogen rich compounds would slow them somewhat, and of course they're thinning out as you move away from the source because some of them are going to be absorbed by the things they're going through. The ones that are absorbed will transfer heat to the target, as well as cause all sorts of other biological damage, by ionization, by creating free radicals, by knocking some chemical bonds apart, and by activating some elements.

Would this type of radiation also heat up carbon fuels like gasoline?
And we know from Tom Bedlam, that this kind of radiation doesn't follow straight lines, but bounces off from corners and bends, and dissipate in irradical patterns.

I was talking about Twiet's magnetic pulse not going in straight lines like light, but diffracting around edges of conductive objects. But yes, I think that a hydrocarbon fuel would be heated. But it would kill the people, too, at that level.

What can make a car's engine burn? Pretty much the only things I know of are overheating, ruptured fuel lines (I've seen this happen half a dozen times), or oil running out (I've seen that one too). I've seen engines that sucked in dust tear up and seize but I haven't seen one burn. Not to say it couldn't do so.

When the very fine dust cloud swept through, you had all sorts of abrasive, insulating junk being sucked into and on top of the engines. I could easily see it just tearing the engines to pieces from abrasion. Also, it would clog up the radiators. I'm betting some combination of that would be your answer.

About the only way I know of to tell unless there are some car gurus here, would be to sacrifice a car by dumping out concrete powder by the bag load in front of it while it was running. You'd want to make sure it's only air source was chock-full of it, too, because looking at tapes of that dust cloud, it was pretty much solid with crap.

I always thought that the whole point of a Neutron bomb was to kill the people and leave the equipment/buildings intact so that you could use them without having to wait 30+ years. That way they could open up airfields and fly the planes into them and use them in a matter of days. What would be the point of making a Neutron bomb that would eliminate buildings but leave the people?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
What would be the point of making a Neutron bomb that would eliminate buildings but leave the people?

Who said it was a neutron bomb, Zaphod? The bombs dropped on Japan released neutrons too, does that make them neutron bombs too?

That was in response to LabTop asking if it could have been a new type of Neutron bomb that would destroy buildings and leave people alive. And no, it doesn't make them a Neutron bomb. Neutron bombs were SPECIFICALLY designed to release massive amounts of Neutrons killing everyone around them, but with the exception of some blast damage, leaving structures and equipment intact. Those bombs were designed to destroy everything.

Originally posted by LaBTop
Ever thought about

a new type of neutron bomb affecting constructions, not people?
With lots of alpha and a bit less of beta radiation effects, and no gamma radiation at all?

[edit on 3/29/2007 by Zaphod58]

the problem with the old fashioned neutron bomb was being left over with a lot of infrastructure, but no LOCAL workforce, to use as slaves for a new ruling class.

The people (monsters) designing all this kind of weaponry are so out of synchronization with us, "normal" people, they come up with anything to "defend" their country.
(heavy sarcasm involved).

The US food producer Monsanto got the order from the US army to design human fertility destructing food, aimed genetically specific to certain races.
I hope you understand the immense level of inhumanity involved at that level of decision making.

And they use indoctrination methods to convince brilliant, however immature and young, researchers to the point that they believe the task is more important and interesting than the goal of such weaponry.

The whole poor male population of a Mexican farmer village got infertile, after stealing corn from a Monsanto test field.
As you see, they prefer to do their tests in the right population areas.


Back to your question.
The goal of such a weapon would be to weaken, or even destroy the bunkers where the enemy is hiding in, to dust, but still be able to interrogate the inhabitants and later put them on "trial" on the global television network, for further indoctrination into sheepish behaviour of the slave labour populations.

here is flowing melted steel or thermite/mate coming from the WTC. how did it get there? jet fuel doesnt create this. if this was there what more is there to debate? The official story is a lie.




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MoF,

Do you have a link to the source of that picture or a better quality version.

On the basis of the thumbnail you have posted what makes you believe that what we see there is molten metal rather than some more mundane liquid?

Originally posted by timeless test
On the basis of the thumbnail you have posted what makes you believe that what we see there is molten metal rather than some more mundane liquid?

Or just sunlight coming from between buildings on an otherwise shady street section, where dust is still blowing around. The red colors may or may not be significant, LaBTop could probably tell you if it's a camera artifact or anything along those lines. If not, it makes me think of the "afterglow" more than anything.

[edit on 11-4-2007 by bsbray11]

Indeed bsb, I did track down a larger version of the picture which made it look like a substance on the street surface but the quality was awful.

I suspect it is far from being the holy grail.

Originally posted by MINDoverFAITH
here is flowing melted steel or thermite/mate coming from the WTC. how did it get there? jet fuel doesnt create this. if this was there what more is there to debate? The official story is a lie.

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you can see the video here but the quality makes it hard to tell what is really happening and whether this is molten metal or not, I think if it were light shining from in between the buildings the glare would be different and the varying shades of glowing red/orange in the pool makes it look less like sunlight shining through buildings and more like lava. Also, i would of thought the shot would be a lot darker and sunlight wouldn't really be penetrating the thick clouds like this, particularly the red glow (depending on the time of day) the sunlight spectrum is shifted towards blue and red in the evenings, so it would have to be an evening shot? The redish glare to the whole frame could be the illumination given off by the lava like substance acting as the light source.

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The clip came from one of the news channels you can see the logo bottom right just about, MSNBC i think. Perhaps a better resolution copy could be tracked down on the 911 news archives but so far I haven't been able to find it.

I think that some of the cars might have been set on fire by vandals (it is NYC afterall), some by debris and some were set a blaze by the 'terrorists'.

I believe we came up with the term 'Shock and Awe' to describe our devistating strike on Iraq.

The fires and chaos were just another part of the mind $#@! that was 9-11. The idea is to create so much stimuli for eyewitnesses that they are too confused and scared to pay attention to anything but fleeing the scene.

After the attacks, clearing the area of on lookers was the next goal(Imminent collapse of Building 7 anyone?).

Originally posted by firepilot
No, you have it all wrong. The reptilians were on a chemtrail mission, flying an orb with mind control and hologram technology, that made people thing it was an airliner, so the aliens could fly around at low level spraying bariums, viruses, and chemgoo, were shot at my the magical sylphs that live in clouds, who shot bolts of lightning at the reptilian orbs.

The reptilian orbs crashed into WTC, and the secret nuclear warheads in the WTC towers, placed there by Israeli agents, accidentally went off too early, and the heat pulse is what set those cars on fire.

Hows that? I tried to get as many conspiracies as I could into it!

not even scratching the surface.
reptilians are most likely disinfo. orbs and holograms within the realm of possibility, and even probability.
these burnt cars are 100% real. so is israeli subterfuge. it's actually their motto at mossad, emblazened in writing over the entrance to their headquarters.
your mocking does nothing to explain them.
why don't you try mock explaining why the dancing israelis were deported and not held for their extremely suspicious behaviour which demonstrated not only foreknowledge, but also ELATION?

here's a dangerous (ie. educational and honest) link...VOXFUX

I don't believe the official story, but I think that the melted cars could have been the result of debris from the impact of the planes. I was watching a video by Alex Jones and I saw this footage of September 11th in which a fiery ball of debris flies out of the WTC exit wound. I cannot judge the orientation of the footage or the scale so I am not saying the debris did cause the car fires, but a flaming jet engine or wing section could wreak a lot of havoc.